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Post by Hannibal on Oct 11, 2017 14:17:41 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland.
The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 12, 2017 22:33:13 GMT
I used to work with a girl from Belfast who considered herself Irish, was from a Catholic family etc., but still said she'd rather be part of the UK because "down south's shite". You sense there are lot of people in Northern Ireland who see being part of the union as offering more security and privileges, even if their identity is more Irish than British.
I have family in Donegal (which is geographically north, but politically south, in case you don't know). If any of them over there need to go to hospital, they bust a gut to get over the border to Strabane because the care is better and cheaper.
Mind you, all this is pre-Brexit. In many ways, Ireland seems the more progressive country at the moment.
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 13, 2017 12:17:26 GMT
The reason the care is better NI is because it's massively subsidised by the UK government, as is Scotland. Reunification would make the whole of Ireland have a better sense of it's own Irish identity and recognition of the struggles its had under the yoke of British rule. I have a Irish background and have an empathy for those wonderful people. In 2007 myself and my partner did a 10 day B & B tour of southern Ireland. After disbarking from the boat at Dublin we drove down to Wexford, then across the southern end through Cork, Cohb, Kinsale and Clonakily (where Michael Collins was from). We stood on the Western most tip of Europe before spending time in Bantry Bay, Kenmare (where I read on Sky news that Chester had signed Lawrence Wilson), then round the Conamarra and into Galway. We sat in a bar in Bantry Bay and a couple of members of the cast of Ballykissangel produced instruments from under the table and started singing and playing folk music; it was amazing. We spend 2 days in Galway before heading back to Dublin via Mullingar. All the amazing people we met on that journey were testimony that it's hardly shite down there. Many people were against the reunification of Germany, but now a generation later it's seen as a great success. Ireland could achieve the same. It could also be the catalyst to curing the sectarian disease, which has plagued Ulster for many generations.
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Post by Derry Blue on Oct 14, 2017 12:38:57 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. I love the binary nature of your views. Anyone who doesn't agree with your idea of solving the Irish problem is a bigot. Do you not think this might be a bit of sweeping generalisation of the millions who don't share your view. This attitude is prevalent among many today. Dare to want a discussion on managed immigration - you're a racist. Dare to have a view that the welfare system needs checks and balances - you're cruel. Dare to believe that we need a strong economy to do the thing the country needs - you're a greedy Tory scum. No consideration that people might holds views somewhere in between the polar extremes and might want to have them heard. |
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 14, 2017 15:13:04 GMT
If you don't agree with my view just say. I'm not sure from your rant where you stand. Hit a nerve have I? Its going to happen one day whatever you and I think. I believe my views are pretty general.
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Post by Derry Blue on Oct 14, 2017 20:34:07 GMT
If you don't agree with my view just say. I'm not sure from your rant where you stand. Hit a nerve have I? Its going to happen one day whatever you and I think. I believe my views are pretty general. Believe what you like, just try and avoid the sweeping generalisations. If you've hit a nerve, it's really nothing to do with your views on Ireland. I just can't stand this binary attitude that seems to prevalent today. |
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Post by Imperial on Oct 18, 2017 18:47:59 GMT
From a personal POV I'm a Unionist so as much as I'd not support it, I do think it probably will happen eventually. An all-Ireland referendum is a ridiculous idea though, the whole point of a referendum on an issue like this is self-determination, you can't allow foreign citizens to have a vote on the future of Sovreign UK territory & it's people.
Also have to echo Derry's comments above, to call all unionists bigots is incredibly hypocritical.
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Post by Hannibal on Jun 29, 2018 12:01:57 GMT
Just watching the Daily Politics Show on BBC2 and this referendum is definitely back on the agenda. The people of Northern Ireland are concerned that they are lagging behind the ROI and want to get in on the act. The DUP may be softening in their opposition to it and the predictions are that it will happen in the next 5 years. A Corbyn government would make it even more likely. Just paraphrasing what I heard.
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Post by BrianVoletrouserCBE on Jul 4, 2018 15:20:31 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. Quelle surprise - you have a hibernian heritage !! Your nationalist views are not widely embraced but are certainly presumptuous, facile, romantic and misplaced. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 4, 2018 15:49:11 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. Quelle surprise - you have a hibernian heritage !! Your nationalist views are not widely embraced but are certainly presumptuous, facile, romantic and misplaced. Naw celtic me mate! |
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Post by ubb1689 on Sept 22, 2018 9:47:24 GMT
It’s a NO from me.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 22, 2018 10:25:00 GMT
There's too much to consider for this to ever work - look at football for example. Michael O'Neill has the Occupied Territories consistently punching above their weight, reaching a major tournament in recent years and they are finally hard to beat, whilst Eire consistently underperform for the quality they have. I very much doubt the supporters of the OT will ever want to merge after years of seeing their best talent pinched by those down south.
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 22, 2018 12:37:45 GMT
I think a united Ireland will be the one and only upside of Brexit. That, and handing Gibraltar back to the Spanish.
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Post by Derry Blue on Sept 22, 2018 12:49:05 GMT
A think a united Ireland will be the one and only upside of Brexit. That, and handing Gibraltar back to the Spanish. Do you "think"? |
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 10, 2018 11:43:37 GMT
I think a united Ireland will be the one and only upside of Brexit. That, and handing Gibraltar back to the Spanish. I agree with the first part, but not sure what your thinking is behind the second part. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 12, 2018 8:27:48 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. Quelle surprise - you have a hibernian heritage !! Your nationalist views are not widely embraced but are certainly presumptuous, facile, romantic and misplaced. Actually, Brexit and English Nationism is driving both Scottish Independence and the movement towards a United Ireland. Neither Northern Ireland or Scotland voted for this 'dogs breakfast of a Brexit. Unfortunately the clock is tricking on the union. |
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Post by 1paulcarden on Oct 12, 2018 10:36:24 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. I love the binary nature of your views. Anyone who doesn't agree with your idea of solving the Irish problem is a bigot. Do you not think this might be a bit of sweeping generalisation of the millions who don't share your view. This attitude is prevalent among many today. Dare to want a discussion on managed immigration - you're a racist. Dare to have a view that the welfare system needs checks and balances - you're cruel. Dare to believe that we need a strong economy to do the thing the country needs - you're a greedy Tory scum. No consideration that people might holds views somewhere in between the polar extremes and might want to have them heard. Unfortunately the sensible/moderate approach you persuasively put together there is shat on and blown to smithereens by Brexit. Strong economy? Not possible with leaving the single market/customs union. The Union will break because of it. Either to the North or to the West. Or both. |
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Post by hackett on Oct 20, 2018 5:09:50 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. Tell your pals to accept democracy. God bless the union. |
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Post by hackett on Oct 20, 2018 5:14:18 GMT
I think a united Ireland will be the one and only upside of Brexit. That, and handing Gibraltar back to the Spanish. Ha. The treaty of Uterecht says different. |
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Post by wil on Oct 20, 2018 6:41:21 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. I'm fully for a united Ireland, they can do what they want. But why should I have to pay for their decision to go a way they choose ? So really when Brexit happens, Europe is going to pay the UK to leave ? Yes of course they are. |
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 20, 2018 8:15:13 GMT
I've spoke to a few people over the Brexit dilemma of the ROI/NI border and to a man they'd like to see a United Ireland. The population of the 2 Irelands is around 6.66 million. Why not do it? Let them all have a say. Not sure the ROI would like to take on the cost, but the British Government could do a version of parachute payments. It's only the bigots of NI that would object. I'm fully for a united Ireland, they can do what they want. But why should I have to pay for their decision to go a way they choose ? So really when Brexit happens, Europe is going to pay the UK to leave ? Yes of course they are. I think it's a fair way to go. We can't just cut them adrift. We are responsible for the mess that is Ireland and we should take some responsibility for putting it right. With regard to Scottish independence. If it's ever achieved do they realise that they'll have to take responsibility for their share of the national debt, which will be many billions. |
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