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Post by eltonblues on Jan 21, 2018 19:30:25 GMT
Lots of wait until Thursday, in the know type posts and comments going on. If you are not going post the details why bother?
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Post by btb on Jan 21, 2018 19:44:51 GMT
In part due to the lack of transparency from the board. Nobody outside of the board and MM knows the exact goings on but there are people who are close enough to the club to have an idea. And it's the feedback from these people that is worrying.
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Post by eltonblues on Jan 21, 2018 19:48:48 GMT
If its factual then post it, if its rumour then say nothing. We are at a real crossroads and for me this nudge and wink posting (on here or other social media) does not help anyone.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 21, 2018 19:50:50 GMT
Welcome to the internet...
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Post by btb on Jan 21, 2018 19:53:17 GMT
If its factual then post it, if its rumour then say nothing. We are at a real crossroads and for me this nudge and wink posting (on here or other social media) does not help anyone. I agree in that I've heard plenty of nonsense being spouted but the crowd situation alone points to problems. Add to that, mistake after mistake from the powers that be and it all adds up to a sorry situation. Thursday will be interesting and hopefully we get those golden facts.
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Post by eltonblues on Jan 21, 2018 19:57:14 GMT
Agree BTB, sadly I can't make Thursday so I am hoping any news from the meeting is not a closed shop and we get some facts out in the public domain so we can see what's needed.
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Post by Matt on Jan 21, 2018 23:48:56 GMT
The only thing I’ve heard is we’re losing money fast and it needs dealing with NOW, it seems as though the board have been told this and been offered advice but they’re just going through the motions which considering they were elected doesn’t look good on them. The rumours on social media and keep in mind they’re just rumours: Rainy day fund gone Next seasons budget will be largely reduced Going back semi-pro
I’m dreading Thursday, Just can’t wait for this season to be over.
Bring back Steve Ashton, that guy had his head screwed on.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 22, 2018 10:31:40 GMT
The only thing I’ve heard is we’re losing money fast and it needs dealing with NOW, it seems as though the board have been told this and been offered advice but they’re just going through the motions which considering they were elected doesn’t look good on them. The rumours on social media and keep in mind they’re just rumours: Rainy day fund gone Next seasons budget will be largely reduced Going back semi-pro I’m dreading Thursday, Just can’t wait for this season to be over. Bring back Steve Ashton, that guy had his head screwed on. If that is true, then the man brought in to oversee most of them should be sacked.
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Post by sqzl on Jan 22, 2018 10:40:10 GMT
The only thing I’ve heard is we’re losing money fast and it needs dealing with NOW, it seems as though the board have been told this and been offered advice but they’re just going through the motions which considering they were elected doesn’t look good on them. The rumours on social media and keep in mind they’re just rumours: Rainy day fund gone Next seasons budget will be largely reduced Going back semi-pro I’m dreading Thursday, Just can’t wait for this season to be over. Bring back Steve Ashton, that guy had his head screwed on. If that is true, then the man brought in to oversee most of them should be sacked. The fear is, we go down but not only do we go down, we struggle next season. That would really push peoples patience in terms of attendance. We should have the structure to make full time viable, given this was going to be costing us no more? Rainy day fund, there would be no excuse for that being gone, it would demand at least one sacking. The only saving grace is the second installment of the Sam Hughes sale next season, but if budget is to be believed for next season we may need every penny to compete.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 22, 2018 10:57:29 GMT
We wouldn't dip into the rainy day fund to sign certain players last season and rightly so, we live within our budget, and the rainy day fund is cushion for unexpected emergencies.
If and its a big if, it has been used for the day to day running of the club then I would have a major issue on two points. 1- As soon as we started using that fund, it should have been communicated via an EGM to the CFU.So steps could have been taken to plug the holes. This leads me onto point two. 2- If things were that dire, then why were they, when we have paid employees to ensure that doesn't happen. If guestimates are correct, we have an employee at the club being paid 50-60K a year, it was his job to bring in financial infrastructure to ensure that the club is firstly stable, and secondly growth in this area was achieved. If he has failed in the latter, I have some sympathy and we move on, if he has failed in the former, then he should be removed from his position immediately.
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Post by rcb on Jan 22, 2018 11:04:04 GMT
At least the defenders of Maguire are lessening, both vocally and in numbers. Sadly too late. We rebuilt eight years ago on a wave of goodwill. This time it’s more like a wave of goodbye. Look at those league clubs who have dropped into step 5 recently. All with far bigger budgets and parachute payments, but that didn’t work.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 22, 2018 11:05:31 GMT
At least the defenders of Maguire are lessening, both vocally and in numbers. Sadly too late. We rebuilt eight years ago on a wave of goodwill. This time it’s more like a wave of goodbye. Look at those league clubs who have dropped into step 5 recently. All with far bigger budgets and parachute payments, but that didn’t work. Scapegoat
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Post by Al on Jan 22, 2018 11:13:27 GMT
If that is true, then the man brought in to oversee most of them should be sacked. The fear is, we go down but not only do we go down, we struggle next season. That would really push peoples patience in terms of attendance. We should have the structure to make full time viable, given this was going to be costing us no more? Rainy day fund, there would be no excuse for that being gone, it would demand at least one sacking. The only saving grace is the second installment of the Sam Hughes sale next season, but if budget is to be believed for next season we may need every penny to compete. Full time won't be viable.
The budget over the summer will be cut severely to try and counter the losses we've made over the course of this year. If that budget is cut to what I believe might be around the 250k mark we would be spending nearly half of that budget on Turnbull, James, and Hannah (estimated 110k of the budget for the 3 of them).
This is not taking into account if Halls and McCombe hit 30 appearances, if they both hit that benchmark then they have the option of another 12 months on their contracts. Further eating into that 250k budget.
We could have a squad next season which struggles to compete in the Conference North. could have 5 players there taking over half the budget and the rest of the squad made up of kids or non-contract players.
The financial situation is dire. The Sam Hughes money - all £130,000 of it - has been swallowed up in the playing budget. The second instalment has been spent already.
The club is still expecting to post a loss come the end of the season. I've heard figures of a £100,000 loss at the end of the season. We budget for crowds of 2,100, we're averaging around 1,600. That break even figure will now be even higher due to the gates continuing to fall away.
Quite simply the situation is beyond dire. We continue along this path we are on and the future of the club will be in doubt.
This is no longer a fight to stay up, this is a fight for the very existence of this football club - again.
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Post by Al on Jan 22, 2018 11:14:15 GMT
At least the defenders of Maguire are lessening, both vocally and in numbers. Sadly too late. We rebuilt eight years ago on a wave of goodwill. This time it’s more like a wave of goodbye. Look at those league clubs who have dropped into step 5 recently. All with far bigger budgets and parachute payments, but that didn’t work. Scapegoat Proof please.
Whys he a scapegoat?
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 22, 2018 11:15:29 GMT
Proof please.
Whys he a scapegoat?
People don’t know who any of the board are, especially after they throw Maguire into the firing line to do an interview, so everyone blames Maguire.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 22, 2018 11:16:29 GMT
We wouldn't dip into the rainy day fund to sign certain players last season and rightly so, we live within our budget, and the rainy day fund is cushion for unexpected emergencies. If and its a big if, it has been used for the day to day running of the club then I would have a major issue on two points. 1- As soon as we started using that fund, it should have been communicated via an EGM to the CFU.So steps could have been taken to plug the holes. This leads me onto point two. 2- If things were that dire, then why were they, when we have paid employees to ensure that doesn't happen. If guestimates are correct, we have an employee at the club being paid 50-60K a year, it was his job to bring in financial infrastructure to ensure that the club is firstly stable, and secondly growth in this area was achieved. If he has failed in the latter, I have some sympathy and we move on, if he has failed in the former, then he should be removed from his position immediately. Simple answer, results on the pitch. This has led to an average lately of 15 - 1600 fans per home match 25% down on the break even figure. This has also impacted the sponsorship side, who wants to be associated with a losing team? in ref to MM who you are obviously referring to, do you honestly think sacking him will solve the problem? we still have inactive, silent board members who would have to step into his shoes, God help us!
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Post by Al on Jan 22, 2018 11:24:04 GMT
Proof please.
Whys he a scapegoat?
People don’t know who any of the board are, especially after they throw Maguire into the firing line to do an interview, so everyone blames Maguire. He's culpable though Danny.
The web is littered with stories of local businesses actively wanting to get involved with sponsorship opportunities, and bring money into the club, but the same old story of "I'll get back to you" and nothing gets done.
There was a lad on here from Toyota in Deeside who said exactly that.
If he struggles for time to do the work he needs to do, then he should speak out about it and ask for help.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 22, 2018 11:31:53 GMT
People don’t know who any of the board are, especially after they throw Maguire into the firing line to do an interview, so everyone blames Maguire. He's culpable though Danny.
The web is littered with stories of local businesses actively wanting to get involved with sponsorship opportunities, and bring money into the club, but the same old story of "I'll get back to you" and nothing gets done.
There was a lad on here from Toyota in Deeside who said exactly that.
If he struggles for time to do the work he needs to do, then he should speak out about it and ask for help.
Yes mate I’ve seen the Toyota story but for me this is where the board need to step up. They may only be voluteers but when someone comes along offering any kind of support we need to be taking it with open arms. Can we have a volunteer or part time employee in place of TA who can sort out the footballing stuff he does, whilst being an assistant to Maguire?
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Post by gezzer on Jan 22, 2018 11:58:38 GMT
He's culpable though Danny.
The web is littered with stories of local businesses actively wanting to get involved with sponsorship opportunities, and bring money into the club, but the same old story of "I'll get back to you" and nothing gets done.
There was a lad on here from Toyota in Deeside who said exactly that.
If he struggles for time to do the work he needs to do, then he should speak out about it and ask for help.
Yes mate I’ve seen the Toyota story but for me this is where the board need to step up. They may only be voluteers but when someone comes along offering any kind of support we need to be taking it with open arms. Can we have a volunteer or part time employee in place of TA who can sort out the footballing stuff he does, whilst being an assistant to Maguire? Can you tell me where? I haven't seen this but would be very interested in the background
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 22, 2018 12:11:59 GMT
We wouldn't dip into the rainy day fund to sign certain players last season and rightly so, we live within our budget, and the rainy day fund is cushion for unexpected emergencies. If and its a big if, it has been used for the day to day running of the club then I would have a major issue on two points. 1- As soon as we started using that fund, it should have been communicated via an EGM to the CFU.So steps could have been taken to plug the holes. This leads me onto point two. 2- If things were that dire, then why were they, when we have paid employees to ensure that doesn't happen. If guestimates are correct, we have an employee at the club being paid 50-60K a year, it was his job to bring in financial infrastructure to ensure that the club is firstly stable, and secondly growth in this area was achieved. If he has failed in the latter, I have some sympathy and we move on, if he has failed in the former, then he should be removed from his position immediately. Simple answer, results on the pitch. This has led to an average lately of 15 - 1600 fans per home match 25% down on the break even figure. This has also impacted the sponsorship side, who wants to be associated with a losing team? in ref to MM who you are obviously referring to, do you honestly think sacking him will solve the problem? we still have inactive, silent board members who would have to step into his shoes, God help us! Not saying for one minute the board are not associated with the position we are in, but these are people who have stuck their head up to be shot at. Some quite rightly should step down as they have not fulfilled their manifesto promises, for various reasons, targets not set, targets not met, targets what targets etc. If we have people queuing up to step in, then fantastic, lets give them a go.
But for paid employees at the club to have failed in their roles and responsibilities they should go.
Quite happy for anyone to put me straight What is Mark Maguires role at the club? What are his KPIs set by the board? What is his performance on those KPIs? How often are they reviewed? Is the cost benefit analysis of his performance v Salary beneficial to club.
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Post by mcseal on Jan 22, 2018 12:18:58 GMT
The club is still expecting to post a loss come the end of the season. I've heard figures of a £100,000 loss at the end of the season. We budget for crowds of 2,100, we're averaging around 1,600. That break even figure will now be even higher due to the gates continuing to fall away.
We are currently averaging over 1,900. Even if only 1,400 turn up for the rest of the games (bar Tranmere) we'll still likely average 1,800 for the season. So I doubt we're going to lose £100,000.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 22, 2018 12:38:18 GMT
Yes mate I’ve seen the Toyota story but for me this is where the board need to step up. They may only be voluteers but when someone comes along offering any kind of support we need to be taking it with open arms. Can we have a volunteer or part time employee in place of TA who can sort out the footballing stuff he does, whilst being an assistant to Maguire? Can you tell me where? I haven't seen this but would be very interested in the background A Chester fan works for Toyota has said that his HR manager who is also a Chester fan has offered support to the club. Maguire/the board aren’t grasping the opportunity. Basically. We need all the support / money / hands we can possibly get at the moment, and we aren’t doing so when the opportunities are there on a plate for us.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 22, 2018 12:51:19 GMT
Can you tell me where? I haven't seen this but would be very interested in the background A Chester fan works for Toyota has said that his HR manager who is also a Chester fan has offered support to the club. Maguire/the board aren’t grasping the opportunity. Basically. We need all the support / money / hands we can possibly get at the moment, and we aren’t doing so when the opportunities are there on a plate for us. I would imagine that the HR manager cannot sanction a sponsorship deal for Toyota and was probably offering his personal services (which may come in handy if we need to terminate contracts for example) however there are already 2 board members with HR backgrounds hence why they are reluctant to move forward with the offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 12:52:01 GMT
Seems the Chronicle is beginning to firm up on the rumours everyone is speculating wildly about. No evidence yet but still a strongish statement that suggests they know a bit more about what might be going on.
A couple of sentences from an article this morning:
"Financial constraints meant that the Blues allowed Shaw to leave, with Bignot admitting that he did not want the midfielder to go..."
"But at a time when Chester are looking to cut costs there have been no assurances given that the defender (RHJ) will return."
Surely, the true situation needs to be revealed ASAP (Thursday?)
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 22, 2018 13:17:56 GMT
The fear is, we go down but not only do we go down, we struggle next season. That would really push peoples patience in terms of attendance. We should have the structure to make full time viable, given this was going to be costing us no more? Rainy day fund, there would be no excuse for that being gone, it would demand at least one sacking. The only saving grace is the second installment of the Sam Hughes sale next season, but if budget is to be believed for next season we may need every penny to compete. Full time won't be viable.
The budget over the summer will be cut severely to try and counter the losses we've made over the course of this year. If that budget is cut to what I believe might be around the 250k mark we would be spending nearly half of that budget on Turnbull, James, and Hannah (estimated 110k of the budget for the 3 of them).
This is not taking into account if Halls and McCombe hit 30 appearances, if they both hit that benchmark then they have the option of another 12 months on their contracts. Further eating into that 250k budget.
We could have a squad next season which struggles to compete in the Conference North. could have 5 players there taking over half the budget and the rest of the squad made up of kids or non-contract players.
The financial situation is dire. The Sam Hughes money - all £130,000 of it - has been swallowed up in the playing budget. The second instalment has been spent already.
The club is still expecting to post a loss come the end of the season. I've heard figures of a £100,000 loss at the end of the season. We budget for crowds of 2,100, we're averaging around 1,600. That break even figure will now be even higher due to the gates continuing to fall away.
Quite simply the situation is beyond dire. We continue along this path we are on and the future of the club will be in doubt.
This is no longer a fight to stay up, this is a fight for the very existence of this football club - again.
As a couple of other posters have already said, we should have taken the opportunity to discipline Ross last week. Nothing against him, but desperate times call for desperate measures. The club is bigger than any individual. We could have freed up £40k+ for the next year.
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Post by sqzl on Jan 22, 2018 13:29:20 GMT
My point was that a club like us, should be making full time viable, clubs do it which far less. On trouble is we've chucked the funds down the toilet and are becoming a laughing stock on and off the field.
Must admit reading that Toyota thing above I agree with Ruffles, nobody in any HR position, even a director of HR could authorise a sponsorship, certainly not in the real world. I struggle to read too much into a mate who's mate works in HR story.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 22, 2018 13:32:43 GMT
Amidst all the doom and gloom may I remind you all that we are a mere 5 points from safety with 17 games to play. All our home games exc Tranmere are against bottom half sides. Don't know whats going on until I hear officially and as long as the players are getting paid, they don't need to worry about off field events. Right, now the problem, why have solid NL players suddenly become crap? Surely there must be a Psychologist amongst our fan base who can spend a little time with the team or a witch doctor. We desperately need to try something "out the box" to at least spark some life into them. Possibly give them the week off from training and just turn up on matchday? I don't know anything please. I'm off to see my Psychiatrist
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 22, 2018 15:46:37 GMT
My point was that a club like us, should be making full time viable, clubs do it which far less. On trouble is we've chucked the funds down the toilet and are becoming a laughing stock on and off the field. Must admit reading that Toyota thing above I agree with Ruffles, nobody in any HR position, even a director of HR could authorise a sponsorship, certainly not in the real world. I struggle to read too much into a mate who's mate works in HR story. It’s a charitable donation I read, but the community trust weren’t registered as a charity at the time which is why the offer wasn’t listened to I think.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 22, 2018 16:10:42 GMT
Amidst all the doom and gloom may I remind you all that we are a mere 5 points from safety with 17 games to play. All our home games exc Tranmere are against bottom half sides. Don't know whats going on until I hear officially and as long as the players are getting paid, they don't need to worry about off field events. Right, now the problem, why have solid NL players suddenly become crap? Surely there must be a Psychologist amongst our fan base who can spend a little time with the team or a witch doctor. We desperately need to try something "out the box" to at least spark some life into them. Possibly give them the week off from training and just turn up on matchday? I don't know anything please. I'm off to see my Psychiatrist We’ve still got to play Bromley, Aldershot and Dover at home who are all in the top half.
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Post by blueforever on Jan 22, 2018 16:52:16 GMT
So where Ebbsfleet how did we go on there i wonder did we win by any chance ??
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