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Post by Hannibal on Jan 12, 2019 18:58:06 GMT
Worst ref Ive seen in a while. And Ive seen some bad ones. We said the same totally out of her depth I don't think she was any worse than most this season. At least she had the balls to consult the lino prior to sending Halls off.
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Post by Imperial on Jan 12, 2019 18:58:23 GMT
Completely understand that & overall he’s done a good job there but he keeps giving the ball away & we have Waters on the bench who is a natural full back. Genuine question with no malice, but is Waters good enough? I think so yeah. Certainly for this level.
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Post by billyw on Jan 12, 2019 19:00:15 GMT
He's there, He's doing the post match interview Cheers. Didn't see him pitchside. He watched the game from the stands for some reason.
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Post by billyw on Jan 12, 2019 19:10:30 GMT
We said the same totally out of her depth I don't think she was any worse than most this season. At least she had the balls to consult the lino prior to sending Halls off. I think you will find that she hasn't 😀
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 12, 2019 19:25:38 GMT
I don't think she was any worse than most this season. At least she had the balls to consult the lino prior to sending Halls off. I think you will find that she hasn't 😀 Metaphorical balls Billy. I think we've had her before and she is no better or worse than 90% of the sh1te refs in this league.
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Post by 54321 on Jan 12, 2019 19:32:17 GMT
Cheers. Didn't see him pitchside. He watched the game from the stands for some reason. Saw him outside the ground before K.O so not sure what's happened.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jan 12, 2019 19:35:14 GMT
How was our new signing?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 12, 2019 19:36:46 GMT
Genuine question with no malice, but is Waters good enough? I think so yeah. Certainly for this level. Waters has improved no end this season. Obviously sending him out on loan has got him more attuned to the physicality of Conference football. I had reservatiins about him but not any more
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 12, 2019 19:37:12 GMT
That was certainly a game where we should have picked up all 3 points due to a flurry of chances at the end. A number of decisions did not go our way today, but to be honest a point is not the end of the world given our injury troubles. Deane Smalley wasn’t really up to standards this afternoon and basing on the last 15 minutes I would’ve started Nathan Brown who was very lively. I’m sure we will live to learn as on another day we would have won this game with it being a tad frustrating to not have taken advantage of a side who had to play with 10 men for most of the match. The first half was rather level really as both sides had their fair share of chances and tried to get into it. Guiseley had a decent chance to make it 1-0 inside the first couple of minutes as Rowan Liburd’s shot went wide when he really should had scored. We played some decent football in that half and I was pleased with Sean McAliister who seemed like a good addition for us today. Unfortunately though the visitors took the lead from a corner as Kayode Odejayi headed the ball into the net which was a big blow for us. We still tried to create openings as Danny Livesey nodded just wide whilst Gary Roberts had a shot saved by Marcus Dewhurst. Deane Smalley was very close to finding an equaliser as his powerful strike went just inches over the bar. On the 38th minute mark we were handed a lifeline as a poor two footed challenge by Andy Halls earned him a red card which prompted a bizarre reaction by the Guiseley bench. Today’s referee was very poor but that was a red card all day long. We headed into the break on the end of a slender Guiseley goal. We were better in the second half as we were a lot more lively in search for the equaliser. Guiseley were very hard to break down and had plenty of men behind the ball, but still we should’ve mustered something. Given the fact we were up against 10 men provided us with a massive advantage, but one we could not take unfortunately. We did get an equaliser though as Anthony Dudley headed home following a brilliant Gary Roberts cross to get us back on track. After that we started to dominate Guiseley who all of a sudden began to invite pressure by sitting back which allowed us to get into them more. Good work by Craig Mahon resulted in his shot being saved by Dewhurst before Matty Waters went close too. Nathan Brown came on to provide us with a new lease of life, and if he had started today’s game we probably would’ve gone on to win. We were still throwing everything at Guiseley who still remained tough at the back as chances from Brown and Simon Grand just couldn’t go in. I thought we put in a decent performance today but given that Guiseley had 10 men and the number of chances we had it is frustrating to not have won. At least we will have a full week to prepare before we are back at the Swansway to host Curzon Ashton next Saturday. Hopefully we will be able to see the return of a few players whilst I believe we are looking at bringing in a striker on loan. A point is better than nothing but we must get back to winning ways against Curzon. It was a free kick Rio.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 12, 2019 19:55:32 GMT
Seems like Smalley might be on that needs to be moved on to free a bit of space up for us. Not had an effective game for us in a fair while and doesn't seem to click with Dudley. Genuinely think Nathan Brown won more headers than him after coming on. Deane may as well just retire
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Post by billyw on Jan 12, 2019 20:01:50 GMT
A bit rusty after a long layoff but had some nice touches and showed some quality.
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Post by highpeakblue on Jan 12, 2019 20:42:33 GMT
We said the same totally out of her depth I don't think she was any worse than most this season. At least she had the balls to consult the lino prior to sending Halls off. I felt the West Stand lino was the main problem. Didn't seem to see anything, except some offsides. When Moyo took out Smalley(?) in the 1St half she looked for him to help her, as she was looking at play, but he saw nothing,although it was blatant and right in front of him!
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Post by alancfc on Jan 12, 2019 21:22:24 GMT
Interesting comments from post match. Sounds like Halls v Roberts was premeditated. Not surprised by this at all. Andy Halls is a weird bloke, quite a bit of a loner by all accounts. Could imagine Gary had some choice words with Halls last season, amongst others, and its been a grudge ever since. Certainly couldn't imagine them going for a pint after a game.
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Post by saughall on Jan 12, 2019 21:22:37 GMT
Forgot to add that for me Shenton takes some blame for that goal. Not the first time this season where his positioning has resulted in a goal going past him in a fairly central area of the goal. He took a sideways step to his right which made it easy for Odejayi to head it back to other way. It's his biggest weakness IMO, and something a dedicated GK coach would work on. There have been too many goals that fly past him without exactly being in the corners and it's because he is flat footed and slightly wrong positioned. Some blame but who ever was meant to be marking Odejayi should take the brunt of the blame. The Guisley time wasting was very frustrating and should have been better managed by the ref. Being down to ten men, you would expect some time wasting but that was excessive.
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Post by chesterblue80 on Jan 12, 2019 21:27:31 GMT
Interesting comments from post match. Sounds like Halls v Roberts was premeditated. Not surprised by this at all. Andy Halls is a weird bloke, quite a bit of a loner by all accounts. Could imagine Gary had some choice words with Halls last season, amongst others, and its been a grudge ever since. Certainly couldn't imagine them going for a pint after a game. Same with Kingsley and Gary them 2 were having words most of the match think Kingsley was trying to winde him up and failed
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 12, 2019 21:31:39 GMT
To be fair, Gary Roberts at 31 has got more class, than those pair of clowns put together.
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Jan 12, 2019 22:00:13 GMT
To be fair, Gary Roberts at 31 has got more class, than those pair of clowns put together. To be fair despite some of the recent results think Gary Roberts is in very good form at the minute, ran himself into the ground at FC United epitomised by him being out on his feet then sprinting 40-50 yards to get on the end of Marsh Hughes pass to score the second, thought he was very good today too, feel he has taken on a lot of responsibility and work during the absence of Stopforth Burton etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 23:02:06 GMT
To be fair, Gary Roberts at 31 has got more class, than those pair of clowns put together. To be fair despite some of the recent results think Gary Roberts is in very good form at the minute, ran himself into the ground at FC United epitomised by him being out on his feet then sprinting 40-50 yards to get on the end of Marsh Hughes pass to score the second, thought he was very good today too, feel he has taken on a lot of responsibility and work during the absence of Stopforth Burton etc. Hes been excellent this past few weeks with not a lot around him. Proper captains role. I believe Morley was suspended today.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 12, 2019 23:21:49 GMT
My match highlights:
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Post by peterkaysock on Jan 12, 2019 23:58:45 GMT
2-0 Chester, Mahon / Dudley 2017 Didnt rate him, poor manager. Poor tactics, poor motivator. Failed on every level for me. Wasn't on my list for the job.
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Post by thetheremin on Jan 13, 2019 0:42:42 GMT
To be fair, Gary Roberts at 31 has got more class, than those pair of clowns put together. To be fair despite some of the recent results think Gary Roberts is in very good form at the minute, ran himself into the ground at FC United epitomised by him being out on his feet then sprinting 40-50 yards to get on the end of Marsh Hughes pass to score the second, thought he was very good today too, feel he has taken on a lot of responsibility and work during the absence of Stopforth Burton etc. Roberts is quality. Last few games he has been a leader and grafted consistently in a threadbare team. Exactly what we need right now.
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Post by MPW on Jan 13, 2019 1:01:08 GMT
Forgot to add that for me Shenton takes some blame for that goal. Not the first time this season where his positioning has resulted in a goal going past him in a fairly central area of the goal. He took a sideways step to his right which made it easy for Odejayi to head it back to other way. It's his biggest weakness IMO, and something a dedicated GK coach would work on. There have been too many goals that fly past him without exactly being in the corners and it's because he is flat footed and slightly wrong positioned. Some blame but who ever was meant to be marking Odejayi should take the brunt of the blame. The Guisley time wasting was very frustrating and should have been better managed by the ref. Being down to ten men, you would expect some time wasting but that was excessive. Judging by Morley’s scything post match comments, it sounds like it was Howson who should have been marking Odejayi.
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Post by bonecrusher on Jan 13, 2019 9:59:56 GMT
WE should have won that game but these things happen. Nothing really dropped for us and we didn't get the little bit of luck we needed. Not great defending for their goal at all, whoever was apportioning blame to Shenton earlier in this thread is being very harsh I think. The referee was abysmal, but that's nothing new. Very strange decisions, and their defenders were growing in confidence that they were completely allowed to manhandle us.
On the red card - seconds before the clash as Gary was going in i was actually thinking that Roberts was going to nail him, he doesn't back out of a 50:50 does he? So I think there was some intent from Gary which is why their players were all going mad. Problem was that Halls got there first and so think the red card was right. Virtually the only decent refereeing decision of the game.
On certain players: Grand / Waters - anyone suggesting that Waters should play left back ahead of Grand needs their head examining. Waters is an interesting case, I never thought he would be good enough but he has definitely grown in terms of physique and has a bit more about him. he needs a run really to make an informed decision. Smalley is clearly limited but we don't currently have many options. McAllister had a decent debut and provided some experience and additional bite in midfield. Mahon and Mooney are both clearly out of form which is a worry. Jackson is doing well at right back and is showing some great pace. I'd have himn there before Thomson at the moment but it would be good to see him playing as a winger in the future.
2 points dropped and we need to win next Saturday.
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Post by jb on Jan 13, 2019 10:25:13 GMT
What was Worsnop up to then yesterday? Was someone able to translate for him because he’s hardly the most eloquent speaker? Did he take a few selfies and a few wannabe modelling poses?
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Post by delamereal on Jan 13, 2019 10:27:07 GMT
Forgot to add that for me Shenton takes some blame for that goal. Not the first time this season where his positioning has resulted in a goal going past him in a fairly central area of the goal. He took a sideways step to his right which made it easy for Odejayi to head it back to other way. It's his biggest weakness IMO, and something a dedicated GK coach would work on. There have been too many goals that fly past him without exactly being in the corners and it's because he is flat footed and slightly wrong positioned. Some blame but who ever was meant to be marking Odejayi should take the brunt of the blame. The Guisley time wasting was very frustrating and should have been better managed by the ref. Being down to ten men, you would expect some time wasting but that was excessive. After watching Rio's highlights I thought that Shenton should have come for the ball (as I did yesterday) as Odejayi headed it from the edge of the 6 yard box.
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Post by btb on Jan 13, 2019 11:13:38 GMT
A taller, stronger keeper comes and claims them all day. Iain Turner, for example in years gone by. But, the keeper has improved a lot recently. Okay, it’s the hoof or nothing but he’s had a fair few suicide back passes in recent games and dealt with them well. Along with making some top draw saves. Won us the game against FCUM.
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Post by Imperial on Jan 13, 2019 11:31:06 GMT
WE should have won that game but these things happen. Nothing really dropped for us and we didn't get the little bit of luck we needed. Not great defending for their goal at all, whoever was apportioning blame to Shenton earlier in this thread is being very harsh I think. The referee was abysmal, but that's nothing new. Very strange decisions, and their defenders were growing in confidence that they were completely allowed to manhandle us. On the red card - seconds before the clash as Gary was going in i was actually thinking that Roberts was going to nail him, he doesn't back out of a 50:50 does he? So I think there was some intent from Gary which is why their players were all going mad. Problem was that Halls got there first and so think the red card was right. Virtually the only decent refereeing decision of the game. On certain players: Grand / Waters - anyone suggesting that Waters should play left back ahead of Grand needs their head examining. Waters is an interesting case, I never thought he would be good enough but he has definitely grown in terms of physique and has a bit more about him. he needs a run really to make an informed decision. Smalley is clearly limited but we don't currently have many options. McAllister had a decent debut and provided some experience and additional bite in midfield. Mahon and Mooney are both clearly out of form which is a worry. Jackson is doing well at right back and is showing some great pace. I'd have himn there before Thomson at the moment but it would be good to see him playing as a winger in the future. 2 points dropped and we need to win next Saturday. So he needs a run to make an informed decision but suggesting giving him that run means I need my head examining? Makes sense. Grand has done a great job there in what his clearly not his natural position but he looked 100% more assured at CB. Additionally, we’ve been strong at the back with Livesey & Howson but we’ve struggled going forward especially since Mahon & Mooney are out of form. Waters has looked a real threat going forward in the last few games. I’d also add that anyone who would suggest dropping Thomson for a winger playing out of position might be the one who needs to reassess their opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 11:44:27 GMT
Definitely two points dropped yesterday.
Lots of endeavour as usual but the creativity needed in the final third just wasn't there. Being solid if somewhat unspectacular will only get you so far, our inability to unlock stubborn defences eg Guiseley when they went down to 10 will cost us in the long run as others will be picking up 3 points when we're failing to kill off teams. Of course, being down to the bare bones doesn't help and hopefully George Green will prove to be the creative spark (personally I'm not yet convinced) but with only 16 games left we need to get back on some sort of a winning run otherwise the playoffs will be the best we can hope for.
On a more positive note, I thought Jackson was good, Dudley yet again a bit of an unsung hero and McAllister looks a bit of a Stopforth-esq player.
Seems that Bern wasn't too pleased with our performance yesterday especially the way we conceded This from his post match interview is interesting :
Said Morley: "It’s not acceptable. We’ve seen one or two players go out of the club over the last couple of weeks because of the same thing – it will happen again. If people continue to be complacent in those areas of the pitch, we can’t work with them moving forward.
Quick comment on the referee - I'll be careful because if I say the wrong thing the Twitterati will explode in indignation, but frankly she was dreadful - never really in control and lacking the authority to reign in the antics of Guiseley.
Anyway, on to Curzon Ashton next week On paper we should win and we need to but look at yesterday and Curzon's away record and I don't think it will be a pushover
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Post by RonD on Jan 13, 2019 11:54:37 GMT
Referee was poor yesterday but was intimidated by the Guiseley players and the bench's antics. Not a pleasant bunch.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 13, 2019 12:01:17 GMT
WE should have won that game but these things happen. Nothing really dropped for us and we didn't get the little bit of luck we needed. Not great defending for their goal at all, whoever was apportioning blame to Shenton earlier in this thread is being very harsh I think. The referee was abysmal, but that's nothing new. Very strange decisions, and their defenders were growing in confidence that they were completely allowed to manhandle us. On the red card - seconds before the clash as Gary was going in i was actually thinking that Roberts was going to nail him, he doesn't back out of a 50:50 does he? So I think there was some intent from Gary which is why their players were all going mad. Problem was that Halls got there first and so think the red card was right. Virtually the only decent refereeing decision of the game. On certain players: Grand / Waters - anyone suggesting that Waters should play left back ahead of Grand needs their head examining. Waters is an interesting case, I never thought he would be good enough but he has definitely grown in terms of physique and has a bit more about him. he needs a run really to make an informed decision. Smalley is clearly limited but we don't currently have many options. McAllister had a decent debut and provided some experience and additional bite in midfield. Mahon and Mooney are both clearly out of form which is a worry. Jackson is doing well at right back and is showing some great pace. I'd have himn there before Thomson at the moment but it would be good to see him playing as a winger in the future. 2 points dropped and we need to win next Saturday. So he needs a run to make an informed decision but suggesting giving him that run means I need my head examining? Makes sense. Grand has done a great job there in what his clearly not his natural position but he looked 100% more assured at CB. Additionally, we’ve been strong at the back with Livesey & Howson but we’ve struggled going forward especially since Mahon & Mooney are out of form. Waters has looked a real threat going forward in the last few games. I’d also add that anyone who would suggest dropping Thomson for a winger playing out of position might be the one who needs to reassess their opinions. Actually, it would make perfect sense to play Thompson at right back, pushing Jackson, on to the right wing ( with Mooney struggling for form) and rotate Mahon with Waters. Waters has looked more than capable in the last few games and did a great job a FCUM , of getting us up the pitch when we were down to 10 men.
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