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Post by billyw on Jan 14, 2019 15:23:48 GMT
After watching Rio’s highlights I have changed my mind completely. The Halls/Roberts tackle happened right in front of me on Saturday and I was baying with the rest of the crowd for a red card. Now...I think it was a decent but firm challenge. While they sometimes deservedly get stick, it does make you realise how difficult the refs job is. The ref will always make mistakes, particularly at this level, but nowhere near as many as the players, and they have a damn sight more knowledge of the rules than most of the crowd.
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Post by mcseal on Jan 14, 2019 16:38:15 GMT
For all the 'Red card all day long' comments on Saturday, it doesn't look anything like. If anything it's a free kick to Guisley !
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 14, 2019 16:58:19 GMT
For all the 'Red card all day long' comments on Saturday, it doesn't look anything like. If anything it's a free kick to Guisley ! The way Halls dived in though was very reckless with both studs showing, so for me that’s why he was sent off.
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Post by agl on Jan 14, 2019 17:08:40 GMT
For all the 'Red card all day long' comments on Saturday, it doesn't look anything like. If anything it's a free kick to Guisley ! In the 1970s that might have been the case, but it's a red all day long now. Off the ground, out of control. Doesn't matter if you get a bit of ball. About time players (and fans) got their head round that. Roberts was lucky Halls got there first, otherwise he would have gone for the same reason and we probably lose the game. The good and the bad of Roberts on those highlights...still too indisciplined and prone to silly tackles but a sublime cross on the turn for the goal.
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Post by mcseal on Jan 14, 2019 17:23:22 GMT
For all the 'Red card all day long' comments on Saturday, it doesn't look anything like. If anything it's a free kick to Guisley ! In the 1970s that might have been the case, but it's a red all day long now. Off the ground, out of control. Doesn't matter if you get a bit of ball. About time players (and fans) got their head round that. Roberts was lucky Halls got there first, otherwise he would have gone for the same reason and we probably lose the game. The good and the bad of Roberts on those highlights...still too indisciplined and prone to silly tackles but a sublime cross on the turn for the goal.
Didn't think it was particularly reckless. Halls got (all) of the ball way before Roberts got there. Didn't really endanger Roberts who clattered Halls after Halls had played the ball.
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Post by agl on Jan 14, 2019 17:36:44 GMT
In the 1970s that might have been the case, but it's a red all day long now. Off the ground, out of control. Doesn't matter if you get a bit of ball. About time players (and fans) got their head round that. Roberts was lucky Halls got there first, otherwise he would have gone for the same reason and we probably lose the game. The good and the bad of Roberts on those highlights...still too indisciplined and prone to silly tackles but a sublime cross on the turn for the goal.
Didn't think it was particularly reckless. Halls got (all) of the ball way before Roberts got there. Didn't really endanger Roberts who clattered Halls after Halls had played the ball. As I understand it, if you tackle with two feet off the ground like that it's deemed reckless under current rules. It's not really open to interpretation. I doubt you would find any qualified ref who would say that was not a red. The aim is to eliminate those horrendous, career ending tackles. That includes the follow-through after playing the ball.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 14, 2019 17:45:42 GMT
For all the 'Red card all day long' comments on Saturday, it doesn't look anything like. If anything it's a free kick to Guisley ! In the 1970s that might have been the case, but it's a red all day long now. Off the ground, out of control. Doesn't matter if you get a bit of ball. About time players (and fans) got their head round that. Roberts was lucky Halls got there first, otherwise he would have gone for the same reason and we probably lose the game. The good and the bad of Roberts on those highlights...still too indisciplined and prone to silly tackles but a sublime cross on the turn for the goal.
That’s always the stock response in situations like this, but nobody ever seems to follow it up by asking whether maybe we had it right back then and now we’ve gone a bit hysterical and soft. Has this clampdown on ‘reckless’ tackles resulted in a notable decrease in serious injuries in recent years, or has it just lead to more theatrics, more cheating, and players pulling out of challenges we all want them to go for?
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Post by agl on Jan 14, 2019 17:54:39 GMT
It might be the stock response, but it's true. Are you seriously advocating a return to the days of Hunter, Giles, Chopper Harris etc who had a licence to kick flair players out of the game? Watch some of the 1966 World Cup footage and see how Eusebio was kicked out of the tournament. It's not about pulling out of challenges, it's about learning to tackle hard, within the current rules. Big difference. We all know Halls is a terrible footballer, so doesn't surprise me that he hasn't mastered it.
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Post by billyw on Jan 14, 2019 17:59:02 GMT
In the 1970s that might have been the case, but it's a red all day long now. Off the ground, out of control. Doesn't matter if you get a bit of ball. About time players (and fans) got their head round that. Roberts was lucky Halls got there first, otherwise he would have gone for the same reason and we probably lose the game. The good and the bad of Roberts on those highlights...still too indisciplined and prone to silly tackles but a sublime cross on the turn for the goal.
That’s always the stock response in situations like this, but nobody ever seems to follow it up by asking whether maybe we had it right back then and now we’ve gone a bit hysterical and soft. Has this clampdown on ‘reckless’ tackles resulted in a notable decrease in serious injuries in recent years, or has it just lead to more theatrics, more cheating, and players pulling out of challenges we all want them to go for? Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery.
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Post by chesterken on Jan 14, 2019 18:08:06 GMT
That’s always the stock response in situations like this, but nobody ever seems to follow it up by asking whether maybe we had it right back then and now we’ve gone a bit hysterical and soft. Has this clampdown on ‘reckless’ tackles resulted in a notable decrease in serious injuries in recent years, or has it just lead to more theatrics, more cheating, and players pulling out of challenges we all want them to go for? Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. It’s the play acting in modern football that makes my blood boil, it’s pathetic watching grown men roll around as if they have been shot then jump up and argue with the officials if they don’t give a foul. It’s totally out of hand in the modern game and bans should be handed out to players who are found to be doing it
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Post by rcb on Jan 14, 2019 18:15:21 GMT
That’s always the stock response in situations like this, but nobody ever seems to follow it up by asking whether maybe we had it right back then and now we’ve gone a bit hysterical and soft. Has this clampdown on ‘reckless’ tackles resulted in a notable decrease in serious injuries in recent years, or has it just lead to more theatrics, more cheating, and players pulling out of challenges we all want them to go for? Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. Totally agree with you Billy. Sadly, on many occasions, referees failed in their duties to uphold the rules and protect those with skill. However, far too many of today’s players see cheating, diving, feigning injury, time wasting, stealing yards at every throw-in, as modern day skills. Once again we are witness to referees totally failing to uphold the rules and laws of the game. Don’t get me started on the mockery of ball placement for corners. The ball is meant to be IN that little quadrant!
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Post by agl on Jan 14, 2019 18:27:32 GMT
The play acting and theatrics is a lot worse the higher you go up the pyramid. It's out of control in the Premier League. Too lazy to blame foreign imports (Vardy's shameful dive at the weekend being a case in point...I swear he must allocate time in training for that 'skill' of leaving the back foot dragging) but definitely played a part. At our level it's not nearly as bad.
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Post by billyw on Jan 14, 2019 18:30:58 GMT
Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. Totally agree with you Billy. Sadly, on many occasions, referees failed in their duties to uphold the rules and protect those with skill. However, far too many of today’s players see cheating, diving, feigning injury, time wasting, stealing yards at every throw-in, as modern day skills. Once again we are witness to referees totally failing to uphold the rules and laws of the game. Don’t get me started on the mockery of ball placement for corners. The ball is meant to be IN that little quadrant! Agree completely. While I would hate to see a return to the 'footballer thugs' I get fed up watching today's players acting like spoilt kids. Also share your bugbear about placing the ball for corners - as if an inch or two is going to make a diffeence to the trajectory of a corner kick.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 14, 2019 18:40:33 GMT
That’s always the stock response in situations like this, but nobody ever seems to follow it up by asking whether maybe we had it right back then and now we’ve gone a bit hysterical and soft. Has this clampdown on ‘reckless’ tackles resulted in a notable decrease in serious injuries in recent years, or has it just lead to more theatrics, more cheating, and players pulling out of challenges we all want them to go for? Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. There’s a happy medium between the two. I don’t want players going in to intentionally hurt each other, but if both are going for the ball and one gets there a split second first, I’d rather players got up and got on with it than we ended up a player sent off and banned for three matches.
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Post by agl on Jan 14, 2019 18:46:28 GMT
Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. There’s a happy medium between the two. I don’t want players going in to intentionally hurt each other, but if both are going for the ball and one gets there a split second first, I’d rather players got up and got on with it than we ended up a player sent off and banned for three matches. The suggestion is that there is a bit of history between Roberts and Halls, from last season, so they quite possibly both went into that challenge with disregard for any injury caused.
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Post by jb on Jan 14, 2019 18:50:15 GMT
Halls deserved a red card for all those lacklustre and pathetic performances we had to watch from him last season.
The bloke has not got it mentally as was shown last season when he got rattled by 300 Macc Town fans and againon Saturday.
Good riddance to him and the other not so hipster who’s now impersonating being a footballer at Guiseley.
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Post by agl on Jan 14, 2019 18:55:16 GMT
Halls is on twitter saying he was just trying to get the ball, albeit with a lunge. Clearly doesn't think it was a red so await the appeal from Guiseley with interest.
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Post by jb on Jan 14, 2019 18:59:17 GMT
Halls is on twitter saying he was just trying to get the ball, albeit with a lunge. Clearly doesn't think it was a red so await the appeal from Guiseley with interest. Jon Worsnop is on Twitter taking selfies and acting like a fame hungry 18 year old Big Brother contestant.
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Post by delamereal on Jan 14, 2019 19:02:11 GMT
To be fair to Roberts he didn't make a meal of it he just got up and walked away.
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Post by rcb on Jan 14, 2019 19:27:07 GMT
Halls is on twitter saying he was just trying to get the ball, albeit with a lunge. Clearly doesn't think it was a red so await the appeal from Guiseley with interest. Jon Worsnop is on Twitter taking selfies and acting like a fame hungry 18 year old Big Brother contestant. Surprised he hasn’t dropped his phone yet! Other than him, how many other keepers played with lead boots?
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 14, 2019 19:40:12 GMT
Thought it was a red on Saturday and I still do having seen it again. It's not a slide tackle, both feet are off the ground at one point as he's lunging in.
It makes no difference that he made no contact because if he does, it's a long spell out for Roberts.
No need to go diving in like that. Shouldn't do it.
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Post by chesterken on Jan 14, 2019 20:26:02 GMT
Just watching the City v Wolves game and Wolves have just had a man sent off with a carbon copy of the Halls challenge, he got the ball but led with his studs.
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Post by onetrevorstorton on Jan 14, 2019 20:42:36 GMT
Just watching the City v Wolves game and Wolves have just had a man sent off with a carbon copy of the Halls challenge, he got the ball but led with his studs. thought the same thing , ten men now at city a big ask .
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 14, 2019 20:45:11 GMT
Wolves are doing their best to halt Armageddon - red card here, penalty there. Every neutral will be cheering them on to defeat.
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Post by billyw on Jan 14, 2019 21:22:32 GMT
Halls is on twitter saying he was just trying to get the ball, albeit with a lunge. Clearly doesn't think it was a red so await the appeal from Guiseley with interest. According to Twitter, Gary Roberts has offered to support Halls if he appeals the red card.
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Post by prodigal on Jan 15, 2019 2:13:44 GMT
Halls came and sat just in front of Bern and our directors second half, was taking the banter well, and pressing the flesh, their kit man won the prize for 'knob of the day'!
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 15, 2019 7:20:36 GMT
For me the red could have gone either way, I think GR had a similar one last season.
Going to throw this out there for discussion, given the consequences of a slightly mistimed challenge, or even a poor interpretation by often substandard referees, given it was damn near on the half way line, is it really worth making that sort of challenge there? The plus side is, we win the ball back in a position which doesn't really give us any advantage, neither takes away any from them, the downside is we are down to ten men for the rest of the game, and a potential three match ban to follow. Discuss.
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 15, 2019 8:49:56 GMT
That’s always the stock response in situations like this, but nobody ever seems to follow it up by asking whether maybe we had it right back then and now we’ve gone a bit hysterical and soft. Has this clampdown on ‘reckless’ tackles resulted in a notable decrease in serious injuries in recent years, or has it just lead to more theatrics, more cheating, and players pulling out of challenges we all want them to go for? Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. I'm shocked that you are perpetrating the myth that Leeds were dirty Billy. The greatest team that this country has ever produced.
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Post by billyw on Jan 15, 2019 12:41:33 GMT
Surely you wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Tommy Smith, Chopper Harris, Norman Hunter and the rest of the Leeds team. Football is a a less physical game now but I wouldn't want to return to the days when skill was destroyed by thuggery. I'm shocked that you are perpetrating the mythat that Leeds were dirty Billy. The greatest team that this country has ever produced. OK may have been a slight exaggeration but to say they were the greatest team this country has produced is well over the top. They were champions just omce in the sixties and once in the seventies. Greatest team ever - I don't think so.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 15, 2019 12:55:48 GMT
Highlights are up: Red card all day long. That is a great tackle. one footed, full ball contact.
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