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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 10, 2023 14:25:14 GMT
If only some of the above posters got as riled at the idiots that cost the club 30k in fines instead of seeing their arses at 2 fans using IPTV to stream the game Not happy about either to be blunt !!!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 10, 2023 14:25:15 GMT
Couple of my pals found the stream working fine via IPTV today. Your "pals" are stealing money from our club. Well done them. Probably not £30k and stadium restrictions levels though.
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 10, 2023 14:29:01 GMT
Your "pals" are stealing money from our club. Well done them. Probably not £30k and stadium restrictions levels though. So it is the amount it costs the club not the principle that matters ?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 10, 2023 14:31:22 GMT
It’s more the principle of what some posters get riled up about and what they don’t.
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Post by Al on Sept 10, 2023 14:33:06 GMT
If only some of the above posters got as riled at the idiots that cost the club 30k in fines instead of seeing their arses at 2 fans using IPTV to stream the game Not happy about either to be blunt !!! I mean, those that streamed it free, you don't know the individuals circumstances, maybe have no money to buy the stream, other more important bills to pay or kids to feed etc etc. Meanwhile there's no excuse in this world for a bunch of neanderthals to invade a pitch, cause a shit load of problems including the current matchday restrictions and a big whopping fine. Got to take these things into context
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 10, 2023 14:37:47 GMT
Not happy about either to be blunt !!! I mean, those that streamed it free, you don't know the individuals circumstances, maybe have no money to buy the stream, other more important bills to pay or kids to feed etc etc. Meanwhile there's no excuse in this world for a bunch of neanderthals to invade a pitch, cause a shit load of problems including the current matchday restrictions and a big whopping fine. Got to take these things into context I take your point but no reason to conflate the two issues. One is significantly worse than the other but both deprive the club of income.
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Post by Bacon on Sept 10, 2023 15:47:00 GMT
If only some of the above posters got as riled at the idiots that cost the club 30k in fines instead of seeing their arses at 2 fans using IPTV to stream the game This.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 10, 2023 15:57:22 GMT
If only some of the above posters got as riled at the idiots that cost the club 30k in fines instead of seeing their arses at 2 fans using IPTV to stream the game If you check the relevant thread I think you'll find they got very riled up at the idiots that cost the club 30k which means that the club needs all the money it can get at the moment so condoning an act of theft from the club should get everyone "riled" up
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Post by borussiachester on Sept 10, 2023 16:05:49 GMT
Illegally streaming our games is hardly something to boast about, but neither is it really the end of the world - £9.50 is an awful lot to pay to watch a single non-league game online, especially in the current climate, and it could well be that these two fellas just couldn’t afford it. Between them, they’ve deprived the club of less than £10.
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Post by Bacon on Sept 10, 2023 16:19:59 GMT
Illegally streaming our games is hardly something to boast about, but neither is it really the end of the world - £9.50 is an awful lot to pay to watch a single non-league game online, especially in the current climate, and it could well be that these two fellas just couldn’t afford it. Between them, they’ve deprived the club of less than £10. We will need another charity match at that rate 🤣
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Post by Lon on Sept 10, 2023 18:51:20 GMT
Pirating streams isn’t as bad as what you’d think. It’s either people who can’t make a game but do go a few times a year anyway or it is people who wouldn’t go anyway so if they like what they watch then they may become a more regular fan
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Sept 11, 2023 12:04:58 GMT
If only some of the above posters got as riled at the idiots that cost the club 30k in fines instead of seeing their arses at 2 fans using IPTV to stream the game Who is that aimed at, this whataboutery? Surely everybody is fuming at the brain dead fuckers? Does that make it right to stream the game and not pay then? As above by a board member, CFC get 50% of the streaming fee and nothing from IPTV. 2 fans = £10. Shall I stop my boost the budget because £10/20/30 doesn't matter?
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Post by Al on Sept 12, 2023 8:09:24 GMT
If only some of the above posters got as riled at the idiots that cost the club 30k in fines instead of seeing their arses at 2 fans using IPTV to stream the game Who is that aimed at, this whataboutery? Surely everybody is fuming at the brain dead fuckers? Does that make it right to stream the game and not pay then? As above by a board member, CFC get 50% of the streaming fee and nothing from IPTV. 2 fans = £10. Shall I stop my boost the budget because £10/20/30 doesn't matter? It's aimed at people being highly offended in this thread that 2 fans, whose background or current situation you know absolutely nothing about, decided to stream the game on a free platform. I hope you are never in a situation where you literally have no disposable income left to spend on nice things. I don't know their situation, and neither do you, don't be so bloody quick to judge people and accuse them of "stealing from the club". You and I don't know each individuals personal situation ffs.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 12, 2023 8:37:22 GMT
Are the same people up in arms about the IPTV streaming of Premier League and Champions League matches? I understand the financial gulf is huge between them and us but is it not the same principle?
The fact is, this was always going to happen. I am not a fan of the streaming of National League games at all, said right from the start it shouldn't be done. People should be at the game in person.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Sept 12, 2023 8:39:50 GMT
Are the same people up in arms about the IPTV streaming of Premier League and Champions League matches? I understand the financial gulf is huge between them and us but is it not the same principle? The fact is, this was always going to happen. I am not a fan of the streaming of National League games at all, said right from the start it shouldn't be done. People should be at the game in person. Not really, no. Think stealing from a huge supermarket v a local independent shop. Both are wrong, but one is taking the hit a lot heavier than the other.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Sept 12, 2023 8:58:45 GMT
Who is that aimed at, this whataboutery? Surely everybody is fuming at the brain dead fuckers? Does that make it right to stream the game and not pay then? As above by a board member, CFC get 50% of the streaming fee and nothing from IPTV. 2 fans = £10. Shall I stop my boost the budget because £10/20/30 doesn't matter? It's aimed at people being highly offended in this thread that 2 fans, whose background or current situation you know absolutely nothing about, decided to stream the game on a free platform. I hope you are never in a situation where you literally have no disposable income left to spend on nice things. I don't know their situation, and neither do you, don't be so bloody quick to judge people and accuse them of "stealing from the club". You and I don't know each individuals personal situation ffs. I'm sorry, but your point doesn't work does it? Its not a free platform, it is an illegal platform. It wont just be the two people that you and Nathan know either, this will be happening all over. But as I said above, every pirated stream costs CFC £5. 99% of the population are struggling currently, some more than others yes. But some still put ££s into Boost the Budget, Seals Lottery, Sponsor a goal etc. The above wipes them out. We have a £30k handicap before the season begins because of idiocy, and need every penny we can scrape together. Stealing from the rich to pay the poor is something I can let go if not entirely comfortable with (its the bottom of the pile who suffer, rob from Sky it will be a telesales person who gets laid off and wont effect the dividends), but this is stealing from the fellow poor. Its like stealing from a food bank.
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Post by canadianexile on Sept 12, 2023 9:24:11 GMT
It's aimed at people being highly offended in this thread that 2 fans, whose background or current situation you know absolutely nothing about, decided to stream the game on a free platform. I hope you are never in a situation where you literally have no disposable income left to spend on nice things. I don't know their situation, and neither do you, don't be so bloody quick to judge people and accuse them of "stealing from the club". You and I don't know each individuals personal situation ffs. I'm sorry, but your point doesn't work does it? Its not a free platform, it is an illegal platform. It wont just be the two people that you and Nathan know either, this will be happening all over. But as I said above, every pirated stream costs CFC £5. 99% of the population are struggling currently, some more than others yes. But some still put ££s into Boost the Budget, Seals Lottery, Sponsor a goal etc. The above wipes them out. We have a £30k handicap before the season begins because of idiocy, and need every penny we can scrape together. Stealing from the rich to pay the poor is something I can let go if not entirely comfortable with (its the bottom of the pile who suffer, rob from Sky it will be a telesales person who gets laid off and wont effect the dividends), but this is stealing from the fellow poor. Its like stealing from a food bank. Rubbish, each pirated stream costs the club £0, obviously. Lost potential revenue and actual costs are very different things and you know they are. You're just being provocative. Chances are most people pirating it wouldn't have paid the £9.50 anyway for whatever reason. If someone decides to go for a walk/run or cook their tea while listening free on SealsLive instead of sitting down and watching the streaming, they haven't cost the club £5. If someone decides to stop at the chippy before the game, or bring their own sandwiches, they haven't cost the club the profit on a pie. Stop being silly.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Sept 12, 2023 9:34:16 GMT
I'm sorry, but your point doesn't work does it? Its not a free platform, it is an illegal platform. It wont just be the two people that you and Nathan know either, this will be happening all over. But as I said above, every pirated stream costs CFC £5. 99% of the population are struggling currently, some more than others yes. But some still put ££s into Boost the Budget, Seals Lottery, Sponsor a goal etc. The above wipes them out. We have a £30k handicap before the season begins because of idiocy, and need every penny we can scrape together. Stealing from the rich to pay the poor is something I can let go if not entirely comfortable with (its the bottom of the pile who suffer, rob from Sky it will be a telesales person who gets laid off and wont effect the dividends), but this is stealing from the fellow poor. Its like stealing from a food bank. Rubbish, each pirated stream costs the club £0, obviously. Lost potential revenue and actual costs are very different things and you know they are. You're just being provocative. Chances are most people pirating it wouldn't have paid the £9.50 anyway for whatever reason. If someone decides to go for a walk/run or cook their tea while listening free on SealsLive instead of sitting down and watching the streaming, they haven't cost the club £5. If someone decides to stop at the chippy before the game, or bring their own sandwiches, they haven't cost the club the profit on a pie. Stop being silly. Provocative? Nope. Disappointed that people steal from the club I and my family donate money to and put hours of volunteering in? Yep. Chances are the thieves wouldn't have paid the 9.50, that we agree on. But that doesn't alter the fact that they took a product and never paid. Doesn't matter how you try to justify the theft of this product, it is theft. Theft from a fan owned club that survives on countless hours of volunteering and supporter donations. Seals Live is free, so what a ridiculous point to make? If you go to the chippy before the game, you wouldn't then go and help yourself to a pie without paying would you? Mad reasoning. Protesting too much some people on here. Guilty consciences maybe?
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Post by canadianexile on Sept 12, 2023 11:17:30 GMT
Rubbish, each pirated stream costs the club £0, obviously. Lost potential revenue and actual costs are very different things and you know they are. You're just being provocative. Chances are most people pirating it wouldn't have paid the £9.50 anyway for whatever reason. If someone decides to go for a walk/run or cook their tea while listening free on SealsLive instead of sitting down and watching the streaming, they haven't cost the club £5. If someone decides to stop at the chippy before the game, or bring their own sandwiches, they haven't cost the club the profit on a pie. Stop being silly. Provocative? Nope. Disappointed that people steal from the club I and my family donate money to and put hours of volunteering in? Yep. Chances are the thieves wouldn't have paid the 9.50, that we agree on. But that doesn't alter the fact that they took a product and never paid. Doesn't matter how you try to justify the theft of this product, it is theft. Theft from a fan owned club that survives on countless hours of volunteering and supporter donations. Seals Live is free, so what a ridiculous point to make? If you go to the chippy before the game, you wouldn't then go and help yourself to a pie without paying would you? Mad reasoning. Protesting too much some people on here. Guilty consciences maybe? Stealing a shirt from the club shop or a pie from the kiosk costs the lost stock. The stream doesn't. I'd imagine anyone bothering to watch it has put plenty of money into the club themselves. What about people with IPTV who've barely heard of Chester and just find the game flicking through? To say that's the same as taking a product from the club shop without paying is just silly. I hope you're being disingenuous and aren't really this daft. Why would you steal a pie when you've already had your tea? If someone watching the stream for free 'costs' the club £5 then someone choosing to use the free SealsLive stream instead also costs the club £5. And if someone chooses to go to the chippy instead of the kiosk, they've cost the club money? Don't be silly.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Sept 12, 2023 11:52:33 GMT
Provocative? Nope. Disappointed that people steal from the club I and my family donate money to and put hours of volunteering in? Yep. Chances are the thieves wouldn't have paid the 9.50, that we agree on. But that doesn't alter the fact that they took a product and never paid. Doesn't matter how you try to justify the theft of this product, it is theft. Theft from a fan owned club that survives on countless hours of volunteering and supporter donations. Seals Live is free, so what a ridiculous point to make? If you go to the chippy before the game, you wouldn't then go and help yourself to a pie without paying would you? Mad reasoning. Protesting too much some people on here. Guilty consciences maybe? Stealing a shirt from the club shop or a pie from the kiosk costs the lost stock. The stream doesn't. I'd imagine anyone bothering to watch it has put plenty of money into the club themselves. What about people with IPTV who've barely heard of Chester and just find the game flicking through? To say that's the same as taking a product from the club shop without paying is just silly. I hope you're being disingenuous and aren't really this daft. Why would you steal a pie when you've already had your tea? If someone watching the stream for free 'costs' the club £5 then someone choosing to use the free SealsLive stream instead also costs the club £5. And if someone chooses to go to the chippy instead of the kiosk, they've cost the club money? Don't be silly. It is a product the club profit from, is it not? Therefore taking it without paying is costing the club money. It really isn't hard to follow.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 12, 2023 11:59:43 GMT
It's not the same as stealing from the club shop. However, it is stealing. Otherwise, by the same logic, you could get on a train without a ticket, and if you get caught, say "but the train would have left anyway so what difference does it make that I'm on it?"
If you don't pay for a service that it costs money to provide, those who do pay are subsidising your avoidance of it, and so is the service provider. In theory, if everyone who watched paid for it, the price could gradually come down.
Hopefully anyone who watched a pirate stream will donate a fiver or so to the club when they can
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 12:36:53 GMT
We’ve got a little carried away here with 2 people watching a stream on IPTV.
Same principle is watching prem on it, boxing PPV, UFC PPV - we don’t have an issue with that.
And I think any argument falls down when you consider it’s open to anyone to watch not just Chester fans?
I could scroll through the IPTV app this week and watch a Kiddy game on it - am I stealing from their club now just casually scrolling?
The fact people have made a bigger fuss out of this than a 30k hole in our finances says it all.
3,000 people would need to illegally watch a Chester stream WHO ARE ACTUAL fans to reach the 30k.
I best ring Dana White and offer him the £30 for streaming the UFC hadn’t I….
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Post by Bacon on Sept 12, 2023 12:50:10 GMT
What a ridiculous thread this has turned into. Two lads have watched a stream. Get over it.
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Post by concernedexile on Sept 12, 2023 14:03:25 GMT
Unbelievable bllx this thread. I watched the stream. I also do the blues lottery, btb, donate to Seals Live, buy merchandise when I go to games, 50/50 tickets, use the kiosks, etc. If you morons want to try and shame me into paying for a stream, that half the time doesnt work and that is nearly a minute behind flashscore, well I’ll stop an important revenue stream direct to the club and pay the stream. Absolute clowns.
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Post by concernedexile on Sept 12, 2023 14:04:19 GMT
What a ridiculous thread this has turned into. Two lads have watched a stream. Get over it. Sorry mate, I think it could be 3 now. Oops.
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Post by Bacon on Sept 12, 2023 14:21:58 GMT
What a ridiculous thread this has turned into. Two lads have watched a stream. Get over it. Sorry mate, I think it could be 3 now. Oops. Are you serious?? These scum robbing from the club eh!
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Post by nytram on Sept 12, 2023 14:26:37 GMT
Unfortunately by watching IPTV you do not know where your service is coming from. If you do watch you may be funding international crime gangs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 14:42:46 GMT
Unfortunately by watching IPTV you do not know where your service is coming from. If you do watch you may be funding international crime gangs. No different to buying a ticket for a Newcastle game then.
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Post by Al on Sept 12, 2023 14:55:34 GMT
Unfortunately by watching IPTV you do not know where your service is coming from. If you do watch you may be funding international crime gangs. No different to buying a ticket for a Newcastle game then. Ooof 😂
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 12, 2023 14:59:17 GMT
Unfortunately by watching IPTV you do not know where your service is coming from. If you do watch you may be funding international crime gangs. No different to buying a ticket for a Newcastle game then. Or, even closer to home, buying Chester season tickets, match tickets, shirts, food, programmes, pints, and all sorts between 2001 and 2009.
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