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Post by bluboy79 on Nov 10, 2017 11:09:03 GMT
After getting a respectable crowd on Wednesday can anyone explain why there where rows and rows of empty seats ? Club said said game was a virtual sell out ?
Just what is the reason we can't sell all our seats , clubs with grounds resembling shacks don't seem to have the same restrictions as us !
Is it stewarding , safety , police ?
Our stadium has an official capacity of 5126 so surely we should be hitting that for big games not full at 4000.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 10, 2017 13:09:29 GMT
I'm thinking we should take those seats out of the away end and let Wrexham and Tranmere fill that end up before giving them half the west stand. The only home game I missed in our Championship winning season was the game v Scarborough (couldn't get in) and the crowd was 5,986 or something like that, although there would have only been a taxi-load of seadogs there.
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Post by silverblue on Nov 10, 2017 13:17:42 GMT
Can I just say that I was in B block on wednesday night, there were 4 empty seats in front of me. They were all season ticket holders, presumably who had decided for whatever reason to not attend the game, their choice, they had already paid for the seat. Not all tickets were sold, so it was not a case of people being turned away. As for the Wrexham tickets I do not believe they would have sold many more. I don't know why the capacity is taken down by Health and Safety, perhaps this is something that needs to be asked at the next CFU meeting so that we can understand better.
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Post by Cestrian93 on Nov 10, 2017 13:21:23 GMT
After getting a respectable crowd on Wednesday can anyone explain why there where rows and rows of empty seats ? Club said said game was a virtual sell out ? Just what is the reason we can't sell all our seats , clubs with grounds resembling shacks don't seem to have the same restrictions as us ! Is it stewarding , safety , police ? Our stadium has an official capacity of 5126 so surely we should be hitting that for big games not full at 4000. Only 75% of a stands capacity can be sold with unreserved seating. Plus people are stood 2 to a seat in H block. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2017 17:10:23 GMT
Perhaps for these games we should make it reserved seating then, this maximising sales of tickets and ensuring fans are evenly and safely spread out across the ground.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 10, 2017 17:40:07 GMT
Perhaps for these games we should make it reserved seating then, this maximising sales of tickets and ensuring fans are evenly and safely spread out across the ground. Could you explain that! |
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Post by MMc on Nov 10, 2017 17:59:09 GMT
According to Wikipedia, (yes that very reliable source!) The capacity of the stadium is 5,376 after the conversion of the clock end to seating. We've since had 5009 for the game against Northwich Vics a few years back. Why don't the club issue tickets with a block number, and seat number etc... to maximise the grounds capacity. Even when it's a quiet Tuesday night, it doesn't matter if they keep it the same setup. I was also suprised how many empty seats there were, in the stands marked as 'full', when it sadly wasn't. Can the club get this changed so that every seat can be sat in??
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 10, 2017 18:47:44 GMT
Only way to do that is, as above, to make these sorts of games reserved seating - you sit in the seat that's allocated on your ticket.
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Post by lookingin on Nov 10, 2017 19:51:41 GMT
We don't sellout. We had just over 4000 and our ground will hold over 5000. That makes 1000 empty seat.
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Post by MMc on Nov 10, 2017 22:11:02 GMT
We don't sellout. We had just over 4000 and our ground will hold over 5000. That makes 1000 empty seat. The club said that 2 stands had sold out.Which they most definitely were not at 100% capacity. Although I take your point that there were seats/standing available in the other 2 stands. An earlier poster said that the stands can only run at 75% if unreserved. 5009 definitely isn't 75% of 5376 even if you considered the terrace to be at 100%.... |
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Post by rossettred on Nov 10, 2017 23:33:53 GMT
Can I just say that I was in B block on wednesday night, there were 4 empty seats in front of me. They were all season ticket holders, presumably who had decided for whatever reason to not attend the game, their choice, they had already paid for the seat. Not all tickets were sold, so it was not a case of people being turned away. As for the Wrexham tickets I do not believe they would have sold many more. I don't know why the capacity is taken down by Health and Safety, perhaps this is something that needs to be asked at the next CFU meeting so that we can understand better. Sorry - I wish to disagree - not many tickets were left for general distribution at Wrexham and some were vbegging for tickets - we could have sold at least 300 more. I can't believe you did not sell your full allocation - although given some folk might have expected trouble from the knuckle draggers on both sides perhaps it is understanable. |
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Post by Ice.cream.bob on Nov 11, 2017 0:27:31 GMT
I'm thinking we should take those seats out of the away end and let Wrexham and Tranmere fill that end up before giving them half the west stand. The only home game I missed in our Championship winning season was the game v Scarborough (couldn't get in) and the crowd was 5,986 or something like that, although there would have only been a taxi-load of seadogs there. I went stright to the away section when I got to the ground , seeing the rucks of people waiting to get in. By the time the game started there was loads in there from chester. |
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Post by oldboneze on Nov 11, 2017 9:14:52 GMT
The number of tickets available for general sale is calculated as follows. Note that this is a very simplified version.
From the capacity as shown in the current safety certificate:
Deduct the seats required for sterile zones
Deduct the required percentage for unreserved seating
Deduct tickets for specific purposes i.e. Sponsors, Tickets For Troops, Team of the Week, etc. etc. etc.
Deduct the number of season ticket holders in each area.
This gives the number of tickets available for general sale.
Against Wrexham, all available tickets in the East and West Stands were sold.
As noted in other posts, a number of season ticket holders did not attend.
Also, some people who had bought tickets by phone or on-line did not collect them before the game.
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Post by lookingin on Nov 12, 2017 15:56:57 GMT
So what we are saying is that we will never get the official capacity of 5126. What is the point of having a capacity when we can't go over 75% of the official capacity. Only the sterile zone will be deducted as the rest are all in the building and will required a seat and will be on the total crowd.
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Post by catfordbags on Nov 12, 2017 16:08:06 GMT
Not quite ... you could get pretty close to capacity if you removed the sterile zone and the club implemented a reserved seating policy.
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Post by boughtonblue on Nov 12, 2017 16:31:50 GMT
After getting a respectable crowd on Wednesday can anyone explain why there where rows and rows of empty seats ? Club said said game was a virtual sell out ? Just what is the reason we can't sell all our seats , clubs with grounds resembling shacks don't seem to have the same restrictions as us ! Is it stewarding , safety , police ? Our stadium has an official capacity of 5126 so surely we should be hitting that for big games not full at 4000. Only 75% of a stands capacity can be sold with unreserved seating. Plus people are stood 2 to a seat in H block. They must be skinny? |
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Post by everhopeful on Nov 13, 2017 2:32:25 GMT
Why don't they allow standing for away supporters??
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 13, 2017 8:21:46 GMT
Why don't they allow standing for away supporters?? Interesting proposition - we could split the terrace (doesn't have to be in half) as quite a lot of clubs have and continue to do. Depends on expected numbers of oppostion fans. |
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Post by Charfield Blue on Nov 13, 2017 12:58:42 GMT
An online ticketing system that allows reserved seating would be the answer, but of course this comes at a cost. Would this be prohibitively expensive given the rarity of occasion that we would need the additional capacity? Probably? But again, this, like other long term projects such as bar extension & improved disabled facilities I would have liked to have seen costed out, presented to supporters as an option and then crowdfunded with defined target and running totals. If we had done this with such projects when we reformed where could we have been now with regards to our infrastructure??
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Post by poolepirate on Nov 13, 2017 17:19:45 GMT
am i right in thinking a season ticket holder is only counted in the crowd number if they actually attend the game?
if that is correct then lets just say 150 st holders did not attend the game of course their seats would be empty and appear unsold but that is not the case
so in effect the crowd on wednesday was 4000 odd but taking into account 150 none st attendees that makes 4150 so less available seats for general sale
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Post by Cestrian93 on Nov 13, 2017 21:11:23 GMT
am i right in thinking a season ticket holder is only counted in the crowd number if they actually attend the game? if that is correct then lets just say 150 st holders did not attend the game of course their seats would be empty and appear unsold but that is not the case so in effect the crowd on wednesday was 4000 odd but taking into account 150 none st attendees that makes 4150 so less available seats for general sale Usually its standard that non attending STH's are included in the attendance (just look at arsenals cup attendances compared to the actual crowd) but not sure if they are included at Chester, likely that they will be. |
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Post by Ice.cream.bob on Nov 13, 2017 22:14:59 GMT
Hang on if your deducting a percentage of the gate because you can't be arsed printing allocated seating.Then someone needs a good rooting with the sharp end of a pineapple.
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 13, 2017 22:28:52 GMT
Hang on if your deducting a percentage of the gate because you can't be arsed printing allocated seating.Then someone needs a good rooting with the sharp end of a pineapple. Best quote I’ve seen for ages! And a damned good point too. |
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Post by Dodge on Nov 14, 2017 12:21:05 GMT
Hang on if your deducting a percentage of the gate because you can't be arsed printing allocated seating.Then someone needs a good rooting with the sharp end of a pineapple. What's the point in going to all of that extra effort when we didn't even sell out anyway? |
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Post by superman on Nov 14, 2017 13:11:55 GMT
Out of interest does anyone know where the 75 percent rule for unallocated seating comes from? Presumably there is no such rule for standing areas. If there was no ticketing and pay on the day applied, this is unallocated so does the 75 percent rule still apply? If not then it's a daft rule and should be challenged.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 14, 2017 14:32:38 GMT
am i right in thinking a season ticket holder is only counted in the crowd number if they actually attend the game? if that is correct then lets just say 150 st holders did not attend the game of course their seats would be empty and appear unsold but that is not the case so in effect the crowd on wednesday was 4000 odd but taking into account 150 none st attendees that makes 4150 so less available seats for general sale Usually its standard that non attending STH's are included in the attendance (just look at arsenals cup attendances compared to the actual crowd) but not sure if they are included at Chester, likely that they will be. This is often said, but I think it's a myth. The attendance is the attendance, surely? The attendance, if I'm not mistaken, is recorded by how many times the turnstile turns. Season ticket holders and cash payers both go through the same gate, so how would the turnstile know whether the person going through is a season ticket holder or not? The club would have to count up how many season ticket stubs they collected, take that away from the recorded figure at the turnstiles, then add on the total number of season ticket holders - all to come up with an inaccurate attendance figure! The theory doesn't make sense, I don't think. |
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Post by catfordbags on Nov 14, 2017 15:41:22 GMT
Hang on if your deducting a percentage of the gate because you can't be arsed printing allocated seating.Then someone needs a good rooting with the sharp end of a pineapple. What's the point in going to all of that extra effort when we didn't even sell out anyway? You could choose to make the away end allocated seating .... 300 extra people = 3-4K .... although admittedly you then have the problem of getting 1500 uneducated goats to sit where they are supposed to ... |
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Post by Cestrian93 on Nov 14, 2017 16:37:33 GMT
Usually its standard that non attending STH's are included in the attendance (just look at arsenals cup attendances compared to the actual crowd) but not sure if they are included at Chester, likely that they will be. This is often said, but I think it's a myth. The attendance is the attendance, surely? The attendance, if I'm not mistaken, is recorded by how many times the turnstile turns. Season ticket holders and cash payers both go through the same gate, so how would the turnstile know whether the person going through is a season ticket holder or not? The club would have to count up how many season ticket stubs they collected, take that away from the recorded figure at the turnstiles, then add on the total number of season ticket holders - all to come up with an inaccurate attendance figure! The theory doesn't make sense, I don't think. Can't imagine many clubs in the top few divisions have cash turnstiles (I watch a lot of championship football and can't think of any club where you can pay on the turnstile) and the game we're discussing was all ticket so there wasn't anyone paying on the night, the number of tickets sold inc ST's was known prior the game. Watch Arsenals next europa league game or cup match and look at the crowd vs what is announced as the attendance (it will be 60k), its obvious whats announced is the number of tickets sold not the actual number of people there. |
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Post by MMc on Nov 15, 2017 17:29:07 GMT
Could anyone from the club who reads this board, shed any light on this? I know we are in a great new deal this season with the new website, are the club looking into the possibility of reserved seating etc...? Seems like we're missing out on a good opportunity to improve the professionalism, and slickness of running the operation more smoothly. Especially if we have ambitions of reaching the football league one day. Perhaps it could be discussed at the next fans meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 12:45:26 GMT
Does anybody know how many season tickets were sold at the beginning of the season?
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