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Apr 5, 2020 15:08:00 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Apr 5, 2020 15:08:00 GMT
Barry Gardiner sacked. Well done SIR Keir Starmer.
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Apr 5, 2020 16:11:07 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 5, 2020 16:11:07 GMT
Dropping the most talented presenter of policy is a bizarre move.
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Apr 5, 2020 16:57:11 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Apr 5, 2020 16:57:11 GMT
Starmer seems pretty unpopular with both the left and the right, which makes me wonder whether he really is the most "electable" candidate.
Anyway, I think world will be a different place after coronavirus, which may change how people think and vote.
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Apr 5, 2020 18:26:34 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Apr 5, 2020 18:26:34 GMT
Maybe the one side couldn’t bear to vote for the soft-left Lisa Nandy and the other side of the party couldn’t bear to elect Long-Bailey from Corbyn’s inner circle. That left Keir Starmer as not liked by both sides but not as hated by one faction or another as the other two. The best of a bad job (not for me I hasten to add, I’d have loved to see Wrong-Daily elected). Is Nandy’s third place indicative of where the Labour Party is?
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Apr 5, 2020 18:51:24 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Apr 5, 2020 18:51:24 GMT
They are a bit of a confused and directionless party at the moment. I've never really embraced Labour as "my party" in truth. I'm probably a Green if anything, but I think they've lost the plot a bit since Brexit.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:01:00 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Apr 5, 2020 19:01:00 GMT
They are a bit of a confused and directionless party at the moment. I've never really embraced Labour as "my party" in truth. I'm probably a Green if anything, but I think they've lost the plot a bit since Brexit. I believe they lost the plot when they didn’t get rid of Corbyn. Despite the best attempts of the BBC to suggest otherwise, everyone I spoke to before the GE (and that’s from all persuasions - I even know some Greens) believed he was unelectable. He wasn’t helped by his team Lady Nugee, Abbott and the rest.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:31:31 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 5, 2020 19:31:31 GMT
The only thing Corbyn is guilty of is failing to tell Starmer and his cabal or Hard Remainers not to do one on Second Referendum. Cost Labour the 2019 GE. The socialist policies are immensely popular, and Lobster - the green aspect is more green than the Greens!
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Apr 5, 2020 19:50:56 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Apr 5, 2020 19:50:56 GMT
The only thing Corbyn is guilty of is failing to tell Starmer and his cabal or Hard Remainers not to do one on Second Referendum. Cost Labour the 2019 GE. The socialist policies are immensely popular, and Lobster - the green aspect is more green than the Greens! I thought you were an arch-Remainer. Surely you favoured a second referendum. I agree with your part of your premise - Starmer contributed to the scale of your defeat.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 6, 2020 9:18:22 GMT
Maybe the one side couldn’t bear to vote for the soft-left Lisa Nandy and the other side of the party couldn’t bear to elect Long-Bailey from Corbyn’s inner circle. That left Keir Starmer as not liked by both sides but not as hated by one faction or another as the other two. The best of a bad job (not for me I hasten to add, I’d have loved to see Wrong-Daily elected). Is Nandy’s third place indicative of where the Labour Party is? By changing peoples names to a supposedly funny alternative doesn’t make you clever or even original. It makes you look childish.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 6, 2020 9:23:33 GMT
They are a bit of a confused and directionless party at the moment. I've never really embraced Labour as "my party" in truth. I'm probably a Green if anything, but I think they've lost the plot a bit since Brexit. I believe they lost the plot when they didn’t get rid of Corbyn. Despite the best attempts of the BBC to suggest otherwise, everyone I spoke to before the GE (and that’s from all persuasions - I even know some Greens) believed he was unelectable. He wasn’t helped by his team Lady Nugee, Abbott and the rest. Broadly speaking I'd say there are two types of Labour voter, and they're pretty different. One is the young, urban, probably middle-class liberal who is into things like the environment, gay rights, equality etc, while the other is the working-class voter who saw their industries chipped away at by the Tories, especially in the '80s, and perhaps have family roots in unions. I'd say Corbyn appealed to the former group but not the latter, who can be quite right wing, socially if not economically.
Problem is I can't really see Starmer winning over either group. He's too centrist for the former, and too detatched from the "real world" for the latter. I can see Labour going back to a party people vote for just because their parents did, or because they are the only realistic chance of getting the Tories out. I can also see more protest votes for left and left-leaning parties like the Greens and Plaid Cymru.
I'm not really sure what "unelectable" is supposed to mean. It just seems like another of saying you wouldn't vote for them, but put across in a way that sounds factual rather than just an opinion. There are plenty of politicians I consider unelectable who have indeed been elected.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:18:51 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Apr 6, 2020 11:18:51 GMT
Maybe the one side couldn’t bear to vote for the soft-left Lisa Nandy and the other side of the party couldn’t bear to elect Long-Bailey from Corbyn’s inner circle. That left Keir Starmer as not liked by both sides but not as hated by one faction or another as the other two. The best of a bad job (not for me I hasten to add, I’d have loved to see Wrong-Daily elected). Is Nandy’s third place indicative of where the Labour Party is? By changing peoples names to a supposedly funny alternative doesn’t make you clever or even original. It makes you look childish. Well done, you made me laugh.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 6, 2020 11:26:30 GMT
I believe they lost the plot when they didn’t get rid of Corbyn. Despite the best attempts of the BBC to suggest otherwise, everyone I spoke to before the GE (and that’s from all persuasions - I even know some Greens) believed he was unelectable. He wasn’t helped by his team Lady Nugee, Abbott and the rest. Broadly speaking I'd say there are two types of Labour voter, and they're pretty different. One is the young, urban, probably middle-class liberal who is into things like the environment, gay rights, equality etc, while the other is the working-class voter who saw their industries chipped away at by the Tories, especially in the '80s, and perhaps have family roots in unions. I'd say Corbyn appealed to the former group but not the latter, who can be quite right wing, socially if not economically.
Problem is I can't really see Starmer winning over either group. He's too centrist for the former, and too detatched from the "real world" for the latter. I can see Labour going back to a party people vote for just because their parents did, or because they are the only realistic chance of getting the Tories out. I can also see more protest votes for left and left-leaning parties like the Greens and Plaid Cymru.
I'm not really sure what "unelectable" is supposed to mean. It just seems like another of saying you wouldn't vote for them, but put across in a way that sounds factual rather than just an opinion. There are plenty of politicians I consider unelectable who have indeed been elected.
Genuinely appreciate the analysis. I suppose I meant “unelectable” in the sense that despite a fractured Conservative party, a disastrously led LibDem party and a country wanting change he failed miserably to get elected. A second failure after losing to Theresa May who attempted self-destruction and who is in my humble opinion is the worst prime minister in my living memory. So maybe just a bit more than “an opinion”.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:35:46 GMT
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 6, 2020 11:35:46 GMT
Maybe the one side couldn’t bear to vote for the soft-left Lisa Nandy and the other side of the party couldn’t bear to elect Long-Bailey from Corbyn’s inner circle. That left Keir Starmer as not liked by both sides but not as hated by one faction or another as the other two. The best of a bad job (not for me I hasten to add, I’d have loved to see Wrong-Daily elected). Is Nandy’s third place indicative of where the Labour Party is? By changing peoples names to a supposedly funny alternative doesn’t make you clever or even original. It makes you look childish. Tut tut. Don’t call SB “childish” - he once called a BBC reporter Laura Conservativeberg.
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Apr 6, 2020 12:20:08 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Apr 6, 2020 12:20:08 GMT
Unsurprisingly this has been cancelled. Failing Grayling is literally the gift that keeps giving. Has an unbelievable record of incompetence. Oh dear, another example. Did you have a pop at him eyeswideopen? Probably not.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 6, 2020 13:43:33 GMT
Imagine trawling through 104 pages of a thread looking for examples of fellow posters using unoriginal ‘joke’ names for public figures to back up your argument absolutely nobody else is interested in. Tragic.
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Apr 6, 2020 15:34:16 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Apr 6, 2020 15:34:16 GMT
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Apr 6, 2020 17:46:25 GMT
Post by jb on Apr 6, 2020 17:46:25 GMT
By changing peoples names to a supposedly funny alternative doesn’t make you clever or even original. It makes you look childish. Tut tut. Don’t call SB “childish” - he once called a BBC reporter Laura Conservativeberg. Careful now SB will use his moderating powers to delete this post. Oh hang on .......
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Apr 6, 2020 20:19:27 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 6, 2020 20:19:27 GMT
I’ve not deleted any posts on this thread apart from one obvious WUM by “Charlie Runkle”. Maybe you’ve been chasing too many ambulances to notice 😗
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Post by Si on Apr 6, 2020 20:49:03 GMT
This thread is a real embarrassment. Grow up the lot of you!
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Apr 10, 2020 6:44:46 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 10, 2020 6:44:46 GMT
My initial impression of Starmer’s leadership is that he is far more concerned with optics and signalling to Labour’s opponents and the media than he is with the plight of ordinary people, front line workers, the poor and vulnerable.
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Apr 10, 2020 18:52:37 GMT
Post by blaconboy on Apr 10, 2020 18:52:37 GMT
My initial impression of Starmer’s leadership is that he is far more concerned with optics and signalling to Labour’s opponents and the media than he is with the plight of ordinary people, front line workers, the poor and vulnerable. ...and you're shocked by this? Middle class southerner!
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Apr 10, 2020 20:55:36 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 10, 2020 20:55:36 GMT
Not shocked in the slightest, sadly.
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Apr 12, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 12, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
Inside the Mind of Priti Patel - this Thedsday at 10.68pm on BBC8.
Twelvty.
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Apr 12, 2020 11:48:39 GMT
Post by Lobster on Apr 12, 2020 11:48:39 GMT
Inside the Mind of Priti Patel - this Thedsday at 10.68pm on BBC8. Twelvty.
You could at least have changed the time and channel!
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Apr 12, 2020 12:45:23 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 12, 2020 12:45:23 GMT
The worst Government in living memory now have a far bigger lead in the polls than they did at the GE in December. Even now, amidst all the Coronavirus cockups!
Starmer needs to resign.
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Apr 12, 2020 12:50:50 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 12, 2020 12:50:50 GMT
The worst Government in living memory now have a far bigger lead in the polls than they did at the GE in December. Even now, amidst all the Coronavirus cockups! Starmer needs to resign. He’s only been in office 8 days, give him a chance.
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Apr 12, 2020 12:56:35 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 12, 2020 12:56:35 GMT
It was tongue-in-cheek, in fairness.
Anyway, it has been revealed they actually over 100 manufacturers of PPE have said they offered to make all the PPE necessary for the British government four weeks ago but the offer was refused. Why? The same reason British ventilator producers were also turned down - Tories would rather kowtow to their donors (Dyson’s 30 ventilators when we needed 30,000 for example).
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Apr 15, 2020 7:07:17 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 15, 2020 7:07:17 GMT
The very people who destroyed the economy over the last 10 years are telling us that only they can put it right. That their failed system is the only answer. And the press barons, of course, agree.
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Apr 15, 2020 13:10:54 GMT
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Post by iandychesterfc on Apr 15, 2020 13:10:54 GMT
The very people who destroyed the economy over the last 10 years are telling us that only they can put it right. That their failed system is the only answer. And the press barons, of course, agree. So does the country. As evidenced by recent polls. That's if your little cultists echo chamber allowed you to see that information
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Apr 15, 2020 13:36:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 13:36:21 GMT
This is very true, if people had believed Labour would have been better then surely they would not have returned a tory government with an 80 seat majority.
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