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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 20, 2018 21:22:18 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 21, 2018 12:26:39 GMT
It is perhaps true that one or two Corbyn fans on here have indeed dodged the question or been a bit facetious with their answers, so here is my quite rambly view on what he is supposed to have said.
Firstly, if you use somebody’s race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation etc in an insult, you’re making it part of the insult. So if you call someone a ‘stupid Frenchman’, ‘stupid Muslim’ or ‘stupid gay’, it’s hard to argue that you’re not being bigoted and oppressive.
By extension, that should mean that the same is true if you refer to someone’s sex/gender in an insult, but I would argue that the lines are a little more blurred because gender is a big part of our language. We use the pronouns ‘he’ and ‘she’ to refer to people. You’re unlikely to say ‘a person came up to me this morning and asked what time it was’, you would probably say ‘a woman’ or ‘a man’. Equally, you’re unlikely to say ‘a black/Jewish/gay man asked me what time it was’, because these details aren’t relevant to the story. We use ‘man’ and ‘woman’ as an alternative to ‘person’, which sounds a bit robotic.
It’s therefore a bit of a stretch, in my opinion, to say that calling someone a ‘stupid woman’ is sexist or misogynistic. It can be said in such a way, especially when said by a man, but it’s not necessarily.
Still, Corbyn shouldn’t have said it and I think he should have apologised. Even if he did say ‘stupid people’, it’s unparliamentary language. We should live a society where if people say something a bit daft, we can move on from it as long as they give a sincere apology.
Some people say “you would be all over this if a Tory had done it”. That might be true to an extent, but you can only analyse people’s words in the context of their character. Given the causes he has supported and the ideals he has expressed over the years, I do not believe Jeremy Corbyn is a misogynist, and muttering under his breath under pressure doesn’t change my mind on that. On the other hand, I believe the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg do resent several demographics of people, or at least have no compassion for them, so I am quicker to see their comments as a true reflection of their personalities.
And as I said earlier, while Corbyn should be able to keep his cool a little better, the toxic environment of the House of Commons is something I find very unsavoury. There is far too much heckling and mockery. If you’re articulate and principled, you always welcome mature debate, but when you’ve got an idiot like Theresa May quite literally trying to make PMQs into a pantomime with some tiresome ‘look behind you’ wisecrack, it must make your blood boil and make you feel like coming out with something equally immature yourself.
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 21, 2018 13:28:38 GMT
Half-heartedly condemn the crime, then blame the victim - typical Corbynista response.
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Post by jb on Dec 21, 2018 13:56:14 GMT
These idiot politicians like Corbyn need to come into the real world and do a hard day’s work. The daft sod is so far out of touch with reality it’s beyond belief. He’s never done a day’s honest toil and it shows. The idiot still thinks he’s still in the Student Union sipping pints for a pound with his Che Guevara poster in his halls of residence. Surely it’s time for a new party to come to the fore. One which represents the working classes because Corbyn certainly doesn’t. The bloke is a complete joke. The Tories must be laughing their heads off with him as opposition leader. Would be delighted for you to outline the polices that said party would have and what sort of person you would like leading it. Thanks in advance. Good afternoon, Thanks for your message. First of all a person who actually knows what it is like to do a day’s work. These jokers like Corbyn etc have never done a day’s work in their life. He’s a spoilt little child who has no perception of the real world and what it’s like to have to work to pay bills etc. Career politicians have no idea and are so far away from the real world it’s untrue. A party who actually admits that they will be hard on those who work and who earn between £18,000 to £80,000.00 rather than try and spin yarns. Whether it be blue or red this section of society is the one who gets screwed. A party who tries to break down these cultural divisions that are being allowed to develop and address the much documented problems that are happening within them. A party who’s politicians actually address issues when contacted about them. Not ones who only come out around election time illustrating their self-serving nature. A party who addresses the issues of unemployment and poverty and homelessness is in a realistic and pragmatic way. |
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Post by jb on Dec 21, 2018 13:59:10 GMT
These idiot politicians like Corbyn need to come into the real world and do a hard day’s work. The daft sod is so far out of touch with reality it’s beyond belief. He’s never done a day’s honest toil and it shows. The idiot still thinks he’s still in the Student Union sipping pints for a pound with his Che Guevara poster in his halls of residence. Surely it’s time for a new party to come to the fore. One which represents the working classes because Corbyn certainly doesn’t. The bloke is a complete joke. The Tories must be laughing their heads off with him as opposition leader. Yeah I can imagine Theresa was laughing her head off when she blew her majority in June 2017 after being whipped up to “crush the saboteurs” by our wonderful press. The punchline being when they bribed the flat earthers of the DUP to the tune of £1b to prop up their reign. Laugh a minute in Tory HQ. And yet she remains in power because Corbyn is unelectable. The students love him though! Joke stuff! |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 21, 2018 15:38:29 GMT
Would be delighted for you to outline the polices that said party would have and what sort of person you would like leading it. Thanks in advance. Good afternoon, Thanks for your message. First of all a person who actually knows what it is like to do a day’s work. These jokers like Corbyn etc have never done a day’s work in their life. He’s a spoilt little child who has no perception of the real world and what it’s like to have to work to pay bills etc. Career politicians have no idea and are so far away from the real world it’s untrue. A party who actually admits that they will be hard on those who work and who earn between £18,000 to £80,000.00 rather than try and spin yarns. Whether it be blue or red this section of society is the one who gets screwed. A party who tries to break down these cultural divisions that are being allowed to develop and address the much documented problems that are happening within them. A party who’s politicians actually address issues when contacted about them. Not ones who only come out around election time illustrating their self-serving nature. A party who addresses the issues of unemployment and poverty and homelessness is in a realistic and pragmatic way. I think you've already admitted to being a Daily Mail reader on here before so it doesn't surprise me to see your response riddled with unsubstantiated, baseless ad hominems. Like everyone else, politicians piss me off no end but this "ooh they're all the bloody same, career politician, blah blah blah" argument is just an easy excuse for being an ignorant, pig-headed idiot. It's an argument almost always put forward by people who are either too ignorant or lazy to even bother voting and whose political opinions are often formed by whatever dog-whistle racism is printed on the front page of such erudite political publications as the Sun and the Daily Mail. Out of interest, where does your knowledge of an MP's 'day job' come from? Have you ever been to Parliament or seen what an MP's job actually entails? The vast majority of them spend Monday - Friday in London with parliamentary business starting at 8am and not often finishing before 7pm. Most then have to get the train back to their constituencies (many of which are hundreds of miles away from London), before then spending Friday afternoon and Saturday going to events in their constituencies and holding advice surgeries. And before you say it, yeah I know they're well paid and their travel and housing is paid for but I'd also hazard a guess that the vast majority of them work far, far more hours than the average person, including you. But I guess its much easier to just go through life pretending all politicians are lazy, expense-cheating and career-obsessed 'jokers' isn't it? Who is your MP and how many times have you tried to contact them? Are you suggesting that you have and they never reply to you, only to then come out at election time? Or is that just another load of ill-informed nonsense? I usually contact my MP, Mark Tami, a couple of times a year and always receive a timely and detailed response. By no means am I his biggest fan as an MP but I do at least appreciate that he "addresses issues when contacted about them". The "pragmatic and realistic" way of addressing poverty and homelessness is to eradicate them from society - only Labour commits to doing so. And they are also the only party with tax policies that would place the largest tax burden on the broadest shoulders in order to defend the very people you allude to from further taxes. But yay, Andy Burnham! |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 21, 2018 16:55:11 GMT
Half-heartedly condemn the crime, then blame the victim - typical Corbynista response. You’ve just illustrated the exact point I’m making. I’ve answered the questions you and others are raising in detail, outlining what my opinion is and why, and rather than debate any of it, you’ve just replied with a couple of sarcy lines. This is why people don’t bother debating and just end up insulting each other. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 21, 2018 17:12:38 GMT
Half-heartedly condemn the crime, then blame the victim - typical Corbynista response. You’ve just illustrated the exact point I’m making. I’ve answered the questions you and others are raising in detail, outlining what my opinion is and why, and rather than debate any of it, you’ve just replied with a couple of sarcy lines. This is why people don’t bother debating and just end up insulting each other. You may have though you gave a reasoned response and to be fair it started out well, but then you attack May (who granted is a bloody awful PM) but the point is she is the victim - in this incident. It’s not about her party, her Brexit or BRINO, her failure to get to grips with some of the dreadful people in her party, it’s about Corbyn using insulting language in the House and then lying. There are plenty of opportunities to attack May and quite rightly so, my problem is the hard left “attack the victim” policy. Why can’t they just say “poor show Jeremy, keep control of yourself, you got it wrong” |
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Post by jb on Dec 21, 2018 17:37:48 GMT
Good afternoon, Thanks for your message. First of all a person who actually knows what it is like to do a day’s work. These jokers like Corbyn etc have never done a day’s work in their life. He’s a spoilt little child who has no perception of the real world and what it’s like to have to work to pay bills etc. Career politicians have no idea and are so far away from the real world it’s untrue. A party who actually admits that they will be hard on those who work and who earn between £18,000 to £80,000.00 rather than try and spin yarns. Whether it be blue or red this section of society is the one who gets screwed. A party who tries to break down these cultural divisions that are being allowed to develop and address the much documented problems that are happening within them. A party who’s politicians actually address issues when contacted about them. Not ones who only come out around election time illustrating their self-serving nature. A party who addresses the issues of unemployment and poverty and homelessness is in a realistic and pragmatic way. I think you've already admitted to being a Daily Mail reader on here before so it doesn't surprise me to see your response riddled with unsubstantiated, baseless ad hominems. Like everyone else, politicians piss me off no end but this "ooh they're all the bloody same, career politician, blah blah blah" argument is just an easy excuse for being an ignorant, pig-headed idiot. It's an argument almost always put forward by people who are either too ignorant or lazy to even bother voting and whose political opinions are often formed by whatever dog-whistle racism is printed on the front page of such erudite political publications as the Sun and the Daily Mail. Out of interest, where does your knowledge of an MP's 'day job' come from? Have you ever been to Parliament or seen what an MP's job actually entails? The vast majority of them spend Monday - Friday in London with parliamentary business starting at 8am and not often finishing before 7pm. Most then have to get the train back to their constituencies (many of which are hundreds of miles away from London), before then spending Friday afternoon and Saturday going to events in their constituencies and holding advice surgeries. And before you say it, yeah I know they're well paid and their travel and housing is paid for but I'd also hazard a guess that the vast majority of them work far, far more hours than the average person, including you. But I guess its much easier to just go through life pretending all politicians are lazy, expense-cheating and career-obsessed 'jokers' isn't it? Who is your MP and how many times have you tried to contact them? Are you suggesting that you have and they never reply to you, only to then come out at election time? Or is that just another load of ill-informed nonsense? I usually contact my MP, Mark Tami, a couple of times a year and always receive a timely and detailed response. By no means am I his biggest fan as an MP but I do at least appreciate that he "addresses issues when contacted about them". The "pragmatic and realistic" way of addressing poverty and homelessness is to eradicate them from society - only Labour commits to doing so. And they are also the only party with tax policies that would place the largest tax burden on the broadest shoulders in order to defend the very people you allude to from further taxes. But yay, Andy Burnham! I gave up reading your post after the first line when you mentioned Daily Fail and that I read that rag. You keep dreaming of your deluded Corbyn uptopia in which every household has a money tree in the back garden. Maybe chill out a little as well as you come across as a very angry and bitter individual! |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 21, 2018 18:59:15 GMT
I think you've already admitted to being a Daily Mail reader on here before so it doesn't surprise me to see your response riddled with unsubstantiated, baseless ad hominems. Like everyone else, politicians piss me off no end but this "ooh they're all the bloody same, career politician, blah blah blah" argument is just an easy excuse for being an ignorant, pig-headed idiot. It's an argument almost always put forward by people who are either too ignorant or lazy to even bother voting and whose political opinions are often formed by whatever dog-whistle racism is printed on the front page of such erudite political publications as the Sun and the Daily Mail. Out of interest, where does your knowledge of an MP's 'day job' come from? Have you ever been to Parliament or seen what an MP's job actually entails? The vast majority of them spend Monday - Friday in London with parliamentary business starting at 8am and not often finishing before 7pm. Most then have to get the train back to their constituencies (many of which are hundreds of miles away from London), before then spending Friday afternoon and Saturday going to events in their constituencies and holding advice surgeries. And before you say it, yeah I know they're well paid and their travel and housing is paid for but I'd also hazard a guess that the vast majority of them work far, far more hours than the average person, including you. But I guess its much easier to just go through life pretending all politicians are lazy, expense-cheating and career-obsessed 'jokers' isn't it? Who is your MP and how many times have you tried to contact them? Are you suggesting that you have and they never reply to you, only to then come out at election time? Or is that just another load of ill-informed nonsense? I usually contact my MP, Mark Tami, a couple of times a year and always receive a timely and detailed response. By no means am I his biggest fan as an MP but I do at least appreciate that he "addresses issues when contacted about them". The "pragmatic and realistic" way of addressing poverty and homelessness is to eradicate them from society - only Labour commits to doing so. And they are also the only party with tax policies that would place the largest tax burden on the broadest shoulders in order to defend the very people you allude to from further taxes. But yay, Andy Burnham! I gave up reading your post after the first line when you mentioned Daily Fail and that I read that rag. You keep dreaming of your deluded Corbyn uptopia in which every household has a money tree in the back garden. Maybe chill out a little as well as you come across as a very angry and bitter individual! Not a fan of substantiating your claims are you? Just the sort of erudite response I'd expect. Still don't think your over the fact I exposed you as a bullshitter over your ludicrous lies on those Dino Maamria posts x |
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Dec 21, 2018 19:14:50 GMT
The irony of “JB” calling the above poster ‘bitter and angry’ can surely not be lost on anyone considering most of his own posts seem to involve mentioning ‘manky blue’ (and no I don’t know the guy) and a quick glance at a recent post sees him describe Corbyn as an ‘idiot’, ‘daft sod’ and ‘complete joke’. Precise political analysis right there.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:59:42 GMT
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Post by jb on Dec 21, 2018 19:59:42 GMT
I gave up reading your post after the first line when you mentioned Daily Fail and that I read that rag. You keep dreaming of your deluded Corbyn uptopia in which every household has a money tree in the back garden. Maybe chill out a little as well as you come across as a very angry and bitter individual! Not a fan of substantiating your claims are you? Just the sort of erudite response I'd expect. Still don't think your over the fact I exposed you as a bullshitter over your ludicrous lies on those Dino Maamria posts x Is that you Ron/Elwood etc? |
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Dec 22, 2018 7:11:27 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 22, 2018 7:11:27 GMT
You’ve just illustrated the exact point I’m making. I’ve answered the questions you and others are raising in detail, outlining what my opinion is and why, and rather than debate any of it, you’ve just replied with a couple of sarcy lines. This is why people don’t bother debating and just end up insulting each other. You may have though you gave a reasoned response and to be fair it started out well, but then you attack May (who granted is a bloody awful PM) but the point is she is the victim - in this incident. It’s not about her party, her Brexit or BRINO, her failure to get to grips with some of the dreadful people in her party, it’s about Corbyn using insulting language in the House and then lying. There are plenty of opportunities to attack May and quite rightly so, my problem is the hard left “attack the victim” policy. Why can’t they just say “poor show Jeremy, keep control of yourself, you got it wrong” Nauseating hypocrisy from someone who routinely labels females ‘bints’ on the Worst Britons thread. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 22, 2018 8:43:56 GMT
Twat. I haven’t claimed to be the most super inclusive person in the world like Corbyn has. I haven’t put myself forward as the country’s saviour like Corbyn has. Oh, and for the avoidance of doubt - I really don’t like you.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 22, 2018 13:59:19 GMT
You’ve just illustrated the exact point I’m making. I’ve answered the questions you and others are raising in detail, outlining what my opinion is and why, and rather than debate any of it, you’ve just replied with a couple of sarcy lines. This is why people don’t bother debating and just end up insulting each other. You may have though you gave a reasoned response and to be fair it started out well, but then you attack May (who granted is a bloody awful PM) but the point is she is the victim - in this incident. It’s not about her party, her Brexit or BRINO, her failure to get to grips with some of the dreadful people in her party, it’s about Corbyn using insulting language in the House and then lying. There are plenty of opportunities to attack May and quite rightly so, my problem is the hard left “attack the victim” policy. Why can’t they just say “poor show Jeremy, keep control of yourself, you got it wrong” I thought I had done. I said he shouldn’t have said it, should have apologised and should’ve kept his cool better. I’m not going to condemn it any more than that because I don’t think it’s that big a deal - certainly not the worst thing going on in politics right now! |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 30, 2018 11:13:54 GMT
Arch twat John Redwood given a knighthood for services to the Uk. What would they be? Advising clients not to invest in the UK due to the chaos that Brexit has created? Utter Bastard., will probably clean up from a no deal Brexit. Self interest and personal gain before country. This piss take needs to be stopped in its tracks. Revoke article 50 and support a People' vote not a Tory Brexit.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 31, 2018 17:15:47 GMT
Maybe I’m dim, but can anyone explain why a few migrants arriving in the UK by boat is deemed a ‘crisis’? It seems to me like an inconvenience at most.
Three months from leaving the EU without a clue what we’re doing, that’s a crisis. 90 people dying every day waiting for social care, that’s a crisis. This seems like a diversion or, being cynical, a timely attempt to stir up xenophobia and island mentality.
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Dec 31, 2018 20:11:19 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 31, 2018 20:11:19 GMT
Maybe I’m dim, but can anyone explain why a few migrants arriving in the UK by boat is deemed a ‘crisis’? It seems to me like an inconvenience at most. Three months from leaving the EU without a clue what we’re doing, that’s a crisis. 90 people dying every day waiting for social care, that’s a crisis. This seems like a diversion or, being cynical, a timely attempt to stir up xenophobia and island mentality. Straight out of the Donald Trump / Fox News ‘migrant caravan’ playbook and unfortunately the hard of thinking right whingers just lap it up. |
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Dec 31, 2018 20:29:43 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Dec 31, 2018 20:29:43 GMT
Full house of remoaner sycophants (or as suggested by someone else one remoaner with multiple identities)
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Dec 31, 2018 20:41:57 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 31, 2018 20:41:57 GMT
Full house of remoaner sycophants (or as suggested by someone else one remoaner with multiple identities) Sycophant? What a bizarre noun to (mis)use. Somebody buy you a dictionary for Christmas sweetie? |
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 31, 2018 21:10:48 GMT
I think “servile self-seeking flatterer” suits you all well. One of you posts and in no time the rest of you join in in a similar vein, sweetie.
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Dec 31, 2018 23:13:29 GMT
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 31, 2018 23:13:29 GMT
Corbyn picture with one of his terrorist mates doing the Muslim Brotherhood salute, but his fans on here will have an excuse.
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Post by Al on Jan 1, 2019 8:38:06 GMT
Corbyn picture with one of his terrorist mates doing the Muslim Brotherhood salute, but his fans on here will have an excuse. What are you wittering on about now? |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 1, 2019 10:48:23 GMT
Corbyn picture with one of his terrorist mates doing the Muslim Brotherhood salute, but his fans on here will have an excuse. Netanyahu lover in rehashing of a 6 month old Daily Mail smear shocker. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 2, 2019 8:06:51 GMT
Ferry company with no ships or trading history given a 13.5 million contract, in case of Tory No Deal Brexit chaos. Wouldnt be a Tory doaner would it? Turns out it is Corrupt Bastards.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 4, 2019 8:15:46 GMT
This whole shipping company thing is an absolute farce - a hastily cobbled together website that doesn’t work (the login portal is actuslly a screenshot image of a login portal), terms and conditions that are copied and pasted from a pizza delivery company, a current fleet of zero ships and a CEO that ran a previous company into the ground owing millions to other businesses. Of course they only got the contract because they actively donate to the Tory bastards.
The whole thing reminds me of Cestrian Trading under Vaughan.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 4, 2019 9:45:32 GMT
My name is Prince Seabourne of Nigeria. I have many fine ships. Pleae send 13000000 by bank transfer to release them This is not a hoax.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 4, 2019 9:52:53 GMT
In 2016 they were promising an extra £350million a week for the NHS, now we’re being told “Brace yourself for a gap in availability of your usual medicines”. Brexit is a disaster and people’s safety is being put at risk. What a fucking mess.  |
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Post by 1paulcarden on Jan 4, 2019 10:35:51 GMT
In 2016 they were promising an extra £350million a week for the NHS, now we’re being told “Brace yourself for a gap in availability of your usual medicines”. Brexit is a disaster and people’s safety is being put at risk. What a fucking mess. Don’t worry, Uncle Jeremy will sort this all out. It’ll be too late and the country will be fucked but we’ll own the Post Office and the trains might be slightly less shit. He’s so compassionate he’s had fuck all to say about the 3 million Europeans and the 1930s settled status applications that the Home Office are wheeling out. At least his red cabbages are looking decent. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 4, 2019 10:51:07 GMT
In 2016 they were promising an extra £350million a week for the NHS, now we’re being told “Brace yourself for a gap in availability of your usual medicines”. Brexit is a disaster and people’s safety is being put at risk. What a fucking mess. Don’t worry, Uncle Jeremy will sort this all out. It’ll be too late and the country will be fucked but we’ll own the Post Office and the trains might be slightly less shit. He’s so compassionate he’s had fuck all to say about the 3 million Europeans and the 1930s settled status applications that the Home Office are wheeling out. At least his red cabbages are looking decent. I don't know if you've noticed, but Jeremy Corbyn isn't the Prime Minister and therefore can't really 'sort this all out'. Hilarious the way Brexit is now Jeremy Corbyn's fault. Also, the Labour Party manifesto was quite clear in saying that it would guarantee the rights of the 3 millions Europeans living here immediately. But lets not allow facts to get in the way of a good smear. |
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