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Dec 13, 2019 15:28:26 GMT
Post by jb on Dec 13, 2019 15:28:26 GMT
Centrism is dead. The so-called Labour “moderates” will have to face the fact that the electorate did not abandon Labour for the centre. They went either to the far right, in England and Wales, or to the social democratic nationalist alternative, in Scotland. They did not go to the Liberal Democrats or back Change UK. Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry, Jo Swinson and Luciana Berger all lost. I did not hear a single voter ask about Owen Smith or pine for Yvette Cooper. Labour must continue driving the vehicle for social change for the many, not the few. Jeremy Corbyn was just the instigator of this movement, it must continue on its journey. I’d like to see Angela Rayner or Clive Lewis replace him. Fair play, you've probably done the sum total of naff all in your public sector employment today (other than posting ramblings on here) but you have deserved every penny of the tax payer's money because you have given everyone on here a great laugh with your absolute nonsense and waffle.
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Dec 13, 2019 16:39:06 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 16:39:06 GMT
Centrism is dead. The so-called Labour “moderates” will have to face the fact that the electorate did not abandon Labour for the centre. They went either to the far right, in England and Wales, or to the social democratic nationalist alternative, in Scotland. They did not go to the Liberal Democrats or back Change UK. Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry, Jo Swinson and Luciana Berger all lost. I did not hear a single voter ask about Owen Smith or pine for Yvette Cooper. Labour must continue driving the vehicle for social change for the many, not the few. Jeremy Corbyn was just the instigator of this movement, it must continue on its journey. I’d like to see Angela Rayner or Clive Lewis replace him. Fair play, you've probably done the sum total of naff all in your public sector employment today (other than posting ramblings on here) but you have deserved every penny of the tax payer's money because you have given everyone on here a great laugh with your absolute nonsense and waffle. 1. I work a half day on a Friday due to childcare (saving on the cost of extortionate nursery fees etc). 2. Which part of the above post isn’t true? All of those centrist MPs lost their seats including the leader of the self-styled centrist party.
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Dec 13, 2019 16:39:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 16:39:32 GMT
Centrism is dead. The so-called Labour “moderates” will have to face the fact that the electorate did not abandon Labour for the centre. They went either to the far right, in England and Wales, or to the social democratic nationalist alternative, in Scotland. They did not go to the Liberal Democrats or back Change UK. Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry, Jo Swinson and Luciana Berger all lost. I did not hear a single voter ask about Owen Smith or pine for Yvette Cooper. Labour must continue driving the vehicle for social change for the many, not the few. Jeremy Corbyn was just the instigator of this movement, it must continue on its journey. I’d like to see Angela Rayner or Clive Lewis replace him. Angela Rayner 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 Something about a northern working class female that upsets you is there?
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Dec 13, 2019 16:56:54 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 16:56:54 GMT
That’s not true though is it? Many MPs and ousted MPs have made the point that when canvassing, the constituents were constantly complaining about Corbyn not Brexit, but you continue being deluded. Yeah, I listened to a discussion about that this morning. It suggested there's been growing anxiety over the last few weeks among Labour MP's that Corbyn's unpopularity would cost them their seat. Anyway, the final result is now in - Tory majority of 80. Didn't see them getting a majority at all, never mind one as commanding as that. If Jeremy Corbyn was a bigger problem on the doorstep than Brexit then why have Remainers returned en masse but not Leavers? Why did the party win Putney but lose Leave-voting seats they’ve held for decades? Yes, Corbyn was an issue in Leave-voting areas... because they said he was “indecisive” about Brexit (and that came about with the shift from “respect result” to “second referendum”). Not about anything else. Brexit eclipsed all of Labour’s popular policies and the party’s torture of how to satisfy all 100% has ended up antagonising both sides of the Brexit divide. It was a very admirable case to try to represent the 52 AND the 48 and govern a country for 100% (as any government should do of course!) but sadly it worked against them. Contrast that policy of trying to represent the whole country with what the country’s new PM came out with this morning - he addressed 48% of his people with “REMAINERS PUT A SOCK IN IT”
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Dec 13, 2019 17:26:51 GMT
Post by billyw on Dec 13, 2019 17:26:51 GMT
Something about a northern working class female that upsets you is there? Ah the usual left wing class thing. She has done well considering her circumstances but call me old fashioned, i just think a PM should have a certain level of education attainment and intelligence.
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Dec 13, 2019 17:49:19 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 17:49:19 GMT
Something about a northern working class female that upsets you is there? Ah the usual left wing class thing. She has done well considering her circumstances but call me old fashioned, i just think a PM should have a certain level of education attainment and intelligence. Because the Bullingdon Boys represent me and you do they?
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Post by jb on Dec 13, 2019 18:43:46 GMT
Ah the usual left wing class thing. She has done well considering her circumstances but call me old fashioned, i just think a PM should have a certain level of education attainment and intelligence. Because the Bullingdon Boys represent me and you do they? Nope but someone like Sajid Javid does. Hard working lad who has come from humble beginnings and who stuck two fingers up to the likes of Corbyn and Abbott by saying terrorists like Jihadi Jack and Begum can piss right off from re-entering this country. Be thankful for his stance otherwise if it was up to Abbott they’d be on a business class flight home to face “due process”.
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Post by billyw on Dec 13, 2019 18:46:34 GMT
Ah the usual left wing class thing. She has done well considering her circumstances but call me old fashioned, i just think a PM should have a certain level of education attainment and intelligence. Because the Bullingdon Boys represent me and you do they? Not sure what that’s got to do with Rayner’s lack of education but you have become a boring and fatuous loser now, so I can’t be arsed continuing with this.
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Dec 13, 2019 20:04:45 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 20:04:45 GMT
Because the Bullingdon Boys represent me and you do they? Nope but someone like Sajid Javid does. Hard working lad who has come from humble beginnings and who stuck two fingers up to the likes of Corbyn and Abbott by saying terrorists like Jihadi Jack and Begum can piss right off from re-entering this country. Be thankful for his stance otherwise if it was up to Abbott they’d be on a business class flight home to face “due process”. Javid the banker? Who helped cause the worldwide financial crash of 2008 then helped make the working people pay for it? That Javid?
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Dec 13, 2019 20:05:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 20:05:42 GMT
Because the Bullingdon Boys represent me and you do they? Not sure what that’s got to do with Rayner’s lack of education but you have become a boring and fatuous loser now, so I can’t be arsed continuing with this. Point is as a working class person I’d rather a working class person represented me, as I feel they would better represent me and my views than a hedge fund manager.
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Dec 13, 2019 20:40:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 20:40:42 GMT
Day One:
Our new PM tells (just under) half the country he is now serving to “PUT A SOCK IN IT.”
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon joins the Conservative Party.
Katie Hopkins tweets at Tory Baroness Warsi (who has repeatedly called for an inquiry into ingrained racism in her party) “YOUR party? It is OUR party now, nationalism is back, British people first.” Some crackpot in Brixton shouting at every black and brown person walking past that “YOU lose”.
A British Asian in Newcastle had their next door neighbour tell them this morning “the Conservatives won so we won’t have to put up with you for much longer.”
Former Blairite Labour MP Ian Austin, now employed by the Tories in an advisory role, is launching an investigation on the Tories’ behalf into all left-leaning online media (after his paymasters had previously dropped hints about clamping down on Channel Four).
Damien Green, Tory MP, tells LBC listeners that we all need to start paying into an insurance type system to pay for our care.
A week ago all of the above may have been funny. Now they’ve got a mandate for it all. All of it.
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Dec 13, 2019 20:50:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 20:50:13 GMT
how do you find time to look after three kids. go to work.and spend hours on end doing research for the party that just lost the election .you are going to make yourself ill .give it up and come back in 5 years
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Dec 13, 2019 20:57:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 20:57:26 GMT
The fact you picked up on my personal life rather than the content of the post says it all.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:01:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:01:41 GMT
you put your personal life on here don't you remember
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Dec 13, 2019 21:12:38 GMT
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Post by Al on Dec 13, 2019 21:12:38 GMT
I think it's getting time towards closing the thread if only for the mental wellbeing of a certain moderator on here.
Put the phone down Nath, grab a beer and pay some attention to your wife and kids tonight
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Dec 13, 2019 21:16:27 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 21:16:27 GMT
I think it's getting time towards closing the thread if only for the mental wellbeing of a certain moderator on here. Put the phone down Nath, grab a beer and pay some attention to your wife and kids tonight It’s quarter past nine. My kids have been asleep for two hours!
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Dec 13, 2019 21:18:19 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 21:18:19 GMT
you put your personal life on here don't you remember What do you make of the above developments today? Assume you’re as horrified as other right-thinking individuals in the sudden one day rise in xenophobia and words to the effect of private health insurance?
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Dec 13, 2019 21:26:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:26:41 GMT
not heard or seen anything. listen to the news a couple of times but other than that .can't really comment
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Dec 13, 2019 21:33:32 GMT
Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 21:33:32 GMT
not heard or seen anything. listen to the news a couple of times but other than that .can't really comment Don’t have to hear or see, just have to read the above.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:38:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:38:09 GMT
possibility it may not be true .seriously what do you hope to achieve its done its over. be happy.get on with your life its just not woeth it.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:40:02 GMT
Post by billyw on Dec 13, 2019 21:40:02 GMT
I think it's getting time towards closing the thread if only for the mental wellbeing of a certain moderator on here. Put the phone down Nath, grab a beer and pay some attention to your wife and kids tonight Agreed.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:41:19 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 21:41:19 GMT
possibility it may not be true .seriously what do you hope to achieve its done its over. be happy.get on with your life its just not woeth it. The only one that may not be true is the story about the British Asian in Newcastle getting abuse from a neighbour as that’s a story posted on Twitter by a random person. The rest are all well publicised. I can’t be happy and “get on with it” when I see the sharp rise in rampant xenophobia In my country by knuckle dragging cretins, sorry. You may sleep easier than me at night, perhaps racism doesn’t bother you.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:50:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 21:50:37 GMT
like i say you can't change the world.its not such a bad place look at the good bits and be thankful your not a wrexham supporter
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Dec 13, 2019 23:13:41 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Dec 13, 2019 23:13:41 GMT
None so blind as those that won't see. Just accept you lost even after two bites of the cherry. Hopefully now all the insults and bad mouthing will stop I’m a disabled public sector worker with three small children in state education, and we can’t afford private health insurance. I know I’ve lost. As have many millions of others. I’d argue on that basis you need to accept the mistakes of Corbyn and see what qualities you need to find in someone who can win elections. Policy without power is utterly pointless. Love how Blair is hated for all his electoral success whereas Corbyn is lauded for being an utter loser. Embrace the middle ground to win elections so you can implement left ideals. It’s the only way to get power.
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Dec 13, 2019 23:25:38 GMT
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Post by chislenko2 on Dec 13, 2019 23:25:38 GMT
None so blind as those that won't see. Just accept you lost even after two bites of the cherry. Hopefully now all the insults and bad mouthing will stop I’m a disabled public sector worker with three small children in state education, and we can’t afford private health insurance. I know I’ve lost. As have many millions of others. Could be worse, you could be a Private Sector worker who has to pay for the pensions of the public sector workers, many of whom until auto enrolment never had a pension to look forward to.
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Dec 14, 2019 9:15:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 14, 2019 9:15:05 GMT
I’m not saying yesterday was a victory for fascists...
... but fascists are.
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Post by jb on Dec 14, 2019 10:00:03 GMT
Nope but someone like Sajid Javid does. Hard working lad who has come from humble beginnings and who stuck two fingers up to the likes of Corbyn and Abbott by saying terrorists like Jihadi Jack and Begum can piss right off from re-entering this country. Be thankful for his stance otherwise if it was up to Abbott they’d be on a business class flight home to face “due process”. Javid the banker? Who helped cause the worldwide financial crash of 2008 then helped make the working people pay for it? That Javid? There is absolutely no point at all at even attempting to discuss anything with you because your hate and prejudice for anything that is different to your beliefs or ideology will cloud and determine your response. Javid has come from an ethnic minority working class background to become one of the most powerful men in the country. I would say the vast majority of people would respect and admire that. however, due to the fact that he’s a Conservative you probably think he’s “scum” and a “sell out”. Ironic thing is that you mention Yaxley-Lennon, he probably has the same mindset as you.
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Dec 14, 2019 10:08:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 14, 2019 10:08:26 GMT
He is a sell-out, clearly. Forgotten his roots hasn’t he?
On another note, isn’t it strange how those people who were so staunchly dead set against a second referendum actually used a general election as a second referendum. Game’s gone, lads.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 14, 2019 10:52:00 GMT
It does sound like the Labour leadership have sleepwalked in to this slaughter. Ignoring numerous warnings about what was going on in the Country, they were hopelessly out of touch. If you're a Labour leader and people who hate Thatcher won't vote for you, you've got a big problem.
Equally ignorant were Corbyn's apologists. Quite a few people (also on this very thread) sneered when favourable Tory polls were mentioned, dismissing them without even stopping to consider what they were telling us. Yes, some polling favoured Labour but you'd have to be pretty daft to not see the general trends. Admittedly, few saw the extent of the defeat but nevertheless.
I doubt that neither May nor Johnson will be remembered for their general popularity. However they, particularly Johnson, have each comfortably beaten Corbyn and it's easy to see why.
There's much to debate in terms of where Labour go from here - allowing Corbyn to hang around like a bad smell until the Spring would be an early mistake.
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Dec 14, 2019 11:09:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 14, 2019 11:09:05 GMT
It does sound like the Labour leadership have sleepwalked in to this slaughter. Ignoring numerous warnings about what was going on in the Country, they were hopelessly out of touch. If you're a Labour leader and people who hate Thatcher won't vote for you, you've got a big problem. Equally ignorant were Corbyn's apologists. Quite a few people (also on this very thread) sneered when favourable Tory polls were mentioned, dismissing them without even stopping to consider what they were telling us. Yes, some polling favoured Labour but you'd have to be pretty daft to not see the general trends. Admittedly, few saw the extent of the defeat but nevertheless. I doubt that neither May nor Johnson will be remembered for their general popularity. However they, particularly Johnson, have each comfortably beaten Corbyn and it's easy to see why. There's much to debate in terms of where Labour go from here - allowing Corbyn to hang around like a bad smell until the Spring would be an early mistake. Out of touch on Brexit this year, yes. The labour leadership allowed themselves to cave in to the Blairite centrist “second referendum” callers this year. Not out of touch with policies though, with nationalisation proving immensely popular with the public - 80+% in favour. Where they go from here - continue the socialist fight of working for the many, not the few. This GE has proven categorically that centrism is to be consigned to the scrap heap. The public voted overwhelmingly for far right nationalism or social democratic nationalism (Scotland).
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