BREXIT

Another thing that perhaps should be considered is the fact that Left or centre-left governments can win elections in New Zealand, Canada, France, Germany, Spain, Sweden, Italy, Jamaica, Iceland and Finland but not in the U.K., USA or Australia.

Rupert Murdoch’s Newscorp dominates the media in the U.K., USA and Australia but not in any of those other nations.

Food for thought, perhaps.

How does DCLP view Jess Phillips, Lisa Nandy Angela Rayner, Yvette Cooper or Stephen Kinnock as the next leader.
Personally, couldn’t stomache Emily Thornberry or Rebecca Long Bailey - suspect they’ll go for a safe option of Kier Starmer!
. . . discuss

Of those you’ve mentioned, Rayner.

Pidcock would be a great option if people didn’t think the Leader must be a serving MP (obviously the Greens don’t have a serving MP in charge). I’d love Barry Gardiner to get the nod.

I care not what your echo chamber tells you, in the outside world brexit was a contributing factor in this absolute failure nothing more.

We’ve tried to tell you (I say you as everyone else has accepted the result bar you) that actual humans away from social media dismisses Corbyn and the Policies as not credible.

You’ve quoted limited polls stating policies were popular but I raise you a national poll and wholehearted rejection of what this far left approach had to offer.

The doorsteps are where the truth lies, not in you’re warped, sad little world of #NotMyGovernment

www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-election-results-2019-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-a9246311.html

Correct. Any refusal to accept the reality of this will only hold the Labour movement back.

They didn't just lose on Thursday, they were hammered. It surprises me some don't want to take on board why.

I literally am taking on board why, but my “why” differs from your “why”?

Excellent article explaining how Labour’s meltdown was a long time coming Here

Agree Ian, it's a good read. Although I can't help but feel that if something along those lines was shared on here a week ago predicting a Labour slaughter it would almost certainly have been mocked mercilessly!

Undoubtedly a hugely disappointing result for Labour and each and every one of us who played a part in it has to accept that we've badly let down millions of people who desperately needed to see the back of the Tory party. 

I think the fact is that a combination of the analysis on here is were things went wrong. Brexit clearly was the biggest contributory factor. 52 of the 54 seats lost on Thursday voted Leave in the referendum. The other two, Kensington and Stroud, were lost because the Liberal Democrats in Kensington, and the Greens in Stroud, fought big campaigns and thus split the Remain vote and ironically allowed hard-Brexit supporting Tories to represent them. You kind of expect it of the Liberal Democrats, especially when the candidate was an ex-Tory minister, but Molly Cato really ought to hang her head in shame. 

As somebody who has backed the Corbyn project, it is clear that Jeremy Corbyn was also a pretty big factor on the doorstep, particularly in these Northern Leave-voting seats where there was a visceral dislike of the man from white voters over the age of 50. I campaigned in Alyn & Deeside for both the 2017 and 2019 elections. In 2017, you'd maybe get somebody bring Corbyn up once every 20 or so doors you knocked. This time it was more like once for every 5 doors knocked. I think their reasons for disliking him are largely deeply unfair, and many simply untrue, but that isn't going to change their opinions. 

Labour had to make a choice - to back Remain and therefore appeal to the metropolitan liberal voters mainly found in London and Southern seats, or to back a Leave deal wholeheartedly to bank in the support of Northern heartlands made up of traditional Labour voters. Frankly, whichever way we went, I think we were going to be in an impossible situation. I think the leadership thought that the Red Wall was more likely to hold even with a Remain position. And I think that reflects a deeper problem within the party. There were only about 10 Labour MP's who backed Leave in the referendum. As a Labour Leaver, we are drastically unrepresented in the Labour Party and whenever I go to any party events or campaigning it is just assumed that we're all Remainers. There's never really been any attempt to engage with our traditional base on Brexit. 

However, it is also correct to point out that Labour's policies are genuinely popular and for them to be described as far-left is really quite silly. As for the leadership, I think we badly need a Northerner who can speak in a language that our traditional voters can relate with. As Al has said, it needs to be somebody who isn't a staunch remainer and that in itself dramatically reduces the pool of available candidates. Unless there is a newly elected MP who fits that brief, I think the only options are Rebecca Long-Bailey, Angela Rayner, Lisa Nandy or Ian Lavery.

I have reads this sorry saga from afar. I wouldn't mind even reading this, I highly doubt you're even a paid up member, I certainly bet you don't go door to door canvassing and putting the work in either. You just sit online read drivel and click CTRL P.

Labour lost because they have neglected their voting base. Blue collar workers. He lost on the doorsteps, let the liberals have Twitter. Elections aren't won or lost there. I doubt the what was typical Labour voter even has Twitter. They know what they like, and it ain't Corbyn or Abbott. 




Reason for edit: Personal attacks removed.

My thoughts on why so many people backed the tories is simply brexit. How did so many mps think they could get away with ignoring what their constituents voted for. Check the numbers. they have nearly all lost their seats. People who voted for brexit have had 3years of being told they did not know what they were voting for. Well it looks like they did.

You've copied and pasted that from the socials. I've seen that last line on there earlier today

Bottom line is the Corbyistas need to go away and have a think about what they want. Purity of policy or someone who can an election. Easy for some of us to see what we want.

To be fair Corbyn battered everyone in 2017. More successful than Blair.