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Dec 19, 2019 1:07:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 1:07:05 GMT
I AM a disabled Chester fan?!
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Post by eyeswideopen on Dec 19, 2019 7:31:31 GMT
Wow, just Wow, what an appalling specimen you are. And another Wow from me. Alarming that the comment has universally been condemned including by 3 moderators and 6 hours on has still not been deleted In all honesty i thought about deleting the whole lot as a moderator. But has been previously said the OP has had ample opportunity to remove the comment himself and make an apology. Free speech works both ways, he has the right to make those comments even if they are offensive, we as moderators also have the right to make a call on whether comments like those would be in the interest of others to make a judgement on what sort of person would make those comments.I think we have all gathered that by now. I have deleted as many posts now with that reference, Si i think a holiday for the chap is in order now. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 19, 2019 8:02:17 GMT
I’d have to start questioning my own beliefs and morality if some of the right whingers who post on here were voting the same way as me. Love this! No doubt you’ll love that my point has been proven. |
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Post by Si on Dec 19, 2019 8:31:27 GMT
And another Wow from me. Alarming that the comment has universally been condemned including by 3 moderators and 6 hours on has still not been deleted In all honesty i thought about deleting the whole lot as a moderator. But has been previously said the OP has had ample opportunity to remove the comment himself and make an apology. Free speech works both ways, he has the right to make those comments even if they are offensive, we as moderators also have the right to make a call on whether comments like those would be in the interest of others to make a judgement on what sort of person would make those comments.I think we have all gathered that by now. I have deleted as many posts now with that reference, Si i think a holiday for the chap is in order now. He has been given a ban until 06/01/20. Hopefully over the next couple of weeks he can have a good think about his conduct on here. The lack of apology suggests he doesn’t see the problem with his comment, so a break might do him good. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 19, 2019 8:37:36 GMT
Moving on then, I've found it interesting looking at the Political Compass website recently. Here's where they placed all the main parties in the run-up to the election, on a grid that shows the traditional economic left/right, and social authoritarian/libertarian positions.
Does raise the question of which of the two main parties is actually the lunatic fringe, with radical, extremist policies.
I feel that some people have been so preoccupied by Corbyn's left-wing approach, the country has sleepwalked into electing a PM who is further to the right than Corbyn is to the left.
I'm not sure the UK really knows what the far-left is, as there's no real history of it in this country. The far-right, however, is something you come across here almost every day.
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Dec 19, 2019 8:55:04 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 19, 2019 8:55:04 GMT
No doubt you’ll love that my point has been proven. You were wrong to say that and so was he. |
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Dec 19, 2019 9:01:14 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 19, 2019 9:01:14 GMT
Moving on then, I've found it interesting looking at the Political Compass website recently. Here's where they placed all the main parties in the run-up to the election, on a grid that shows the traditional economic left/right, and social authoritarian/libertarian positions.
Does raise the question of which of the two main parties is actually the lunatic fringe, with radical, extremist policies.
I feel that some people have been so preoccupied by Corbyn's left-wing approach, the country has sleepwalked into electing a PM who is further to the right than Corbyn is to the left.
I'm not sure the UK really knows what the far-left is, as there's no real history of it in this country. The far-right, however, is something you come across here almost every day.
On the point of perceptions of Labour, there has been a debate on the popularity of their policies in the run up to the election. I think an equally important question for the new leader will be how far the electorate actually trusted Labour to deliver these promises - even if they liked them. |
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Dec 19, 2019 9:07:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 9:07:42 GMT
Shows how far the Overton window has moved across with three decades of neoliberalism if wanting to look after those less fortunate is considered “far left” and “extreme”.
NO! LET THE BILLIONAIRES GET RICHER!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 9:33:08 GMT
I used to live in Overton and my windows never moved
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Post by jb on Dec 19, 2019 10:41:57 GMT
And another Wow from me. Alarming that the comment has universally been condemned including by 3 moderators and 6 hours on has still not been deleted In all honesty i thought about deleting the whole lot as a moderator. But has been previously said the OP has had ample opportunity to remove the comment himself and make an apology. Free speech works both ways, he has the right to make those comments even if they are offensive, we as moderators also have the right to make a call on whether comments like those would be in the interest of others to make a judgement on what sort of person would make those comments.I think we have all gathered that by now. I have deleted as many posts now with that reference, Si i think a holiday for the chap is in order now. Sorry but there seems to be a degree of hypocrisy in this. Yes, the post was shocking and was upsetting for myself personally as I will be going to see a good friend and former work colleague of mine be buried on Monday as the result of such a horrible and indiscriminate disease. The post should have been taken down. However, with reference to the highlighted part this makes no sense as we have Mancot/Sychdyn Blue making comments about Travellers needing to be exterminated, Liverpool fans being scum of the earth, those who dared to vote Conservative being exposed to his bile and vittriol, apparently jokes about Sala and other recent unpleasant and nasty comments. All of these comments were deleted almost instantly. However, these comments clearly illustrate his character. It therefore appears that there is one rule for one and one for another for another. |
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Post by Al on Dec 19, 2019 11:16:35 GMT
Moving on then, I've found it interesting looking at the Political Compass website recently. Here's where they placed all the main parties in the run-up to the election, on a grid that shows the traditional economic left/right, and social authoritarian/libertarian positions.
Does raise the question of which of the two main parties is actually the lunatic fringe, with radical, extremist policies.
I feel that some people have been so preoccupied by Corbyn's left-wing approach, the country has sleepwalked into electing a PM who is further to the right than Corbyn is to the left.
I'm not sure the UK really knows what the far-left is, as there's no real history of it in this country. The far-right, however, is something you come across here almost every day.
On the point of perceptions of Labour, there has been a debate on the popularity of their policies in the run up to the election. I think an equally important question for the new leader will be how far the electorate actually trusted Labour to deliver these promises - even if they liked them. I liked them up to a point, when they started going on about uncosted billions paid to the WASPI women and nationalising the broadband providers it was too much for me. Every day it was like it was silly season and both major parties were coming out with ridiculous pledges. Nationalise Water yes, nationalise rail companies that are not providing value for money too. But then talk about nationalising of energy companies and telecoms providers is too much too soon. No wonder people were put off by it, all it needed was to build on the manifesto from 2yrs ago, not go all 'kid in a sweetshop' this time and promise the moon on a bloody stick! Ah well, it's done now. If there are lessons to be learnt it's that Labour need to go back to the centre left position of 2yrs ago. They need to accept the referendum result that we are leaving the EU, and work with those disenfranchised communities over the next 5yrs to start repairing some of the bridges that have been burnt. |
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Dec 19, 2019 11:27:09 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 11:27:09 GMT
Sorry mate, I know I called you out on this a couple of pages ago but you’ve made the same error - there was no policy to nationalise broadband providers, merely to take back control (that Thatcher sold) of a PART of BT in order to provide state-owned free broadband to compete with the private providers.
Anyway you’re spot on with your final paragraph. I’d like to go further and boot out the centrists that caused the referendum stance change too! Starting with the Blairite snake Starmer.
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Dec 19, 2019 12:08:34 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 19, 2019 12:08:34 GMT
Moving on then, I've found it interesting looking at the Political Compass website recently. Here's where they placed all the main parties in the run-up to the election, on a grid that shows the traditional economic left/right, and social authoritarian/libertarian positions.
Does raise the question of which of the two main parties is actually the lunatic fringe, with radical, extremist policies.
I feel that some people have been so preoccupied by Corbyn's left-wing approach, the country has sleepwalked into electing a PM who is further to the right than Corbyn is to the left.
I'm not sure the UK really knows what the far-left is, as there's no real history of it in this country. The far-right, however, is something you come across here almost every day.
On the point of perceptions of Labour, there has been a debate on the popularity of their policies in the run up to the election. I think an equally important question for the new leader will be how far the electorate actually trusted Labour to deliver these promises - even if they liked them. I think that's a fair point. When I was reading about things like free broadband and four-day weeks, I did start to think they were pushing their luck a bit. I just didn't want to say it because I was so desperate for the Tories not to get a majority! These are maybe ideas for the distant future, but right now we need some realistic solutions to basic problems.
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Dec 19, 2019 12:11:13 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 12:11:13 GMT
In all honesty i thought about deleting the whole lot as a moderator. But has been previously said the OP has had ample opportunity to remove the comment himself and make an apology. Free speech works both ways, he has the right to make those comments even if they are offensive, we as moderators also have the right to make a call on whether comments like those would be in the interest of others to make a judgement on what sort of person would make those comments.I think we have all gathered that by now. I have deleted as many posts now with that reference, Si i think a holiday for the chap is in order now. Sorry but there seems to be a degree of hypocrisy in this. Yes, the post was shocking and was upsetting for myself personally as I will be going to see a good friend and former work colleague of mine be buried on Monday as the result of such a horrible and indiscriminate disease. The post should have been taken down. However, with reference to the highlighted part this makes no sense as we have Mancot/Sychdyn Blue making comments about Travellers needing to be exterminated, Liverpool fans being scum of the earth, those who dared to vote Conservative being exposed to his bile and vittriol, apparently jokes about Sala and other recent unpleasant and nasty comments. All of these comments were deleted almost instantly. However, these comments clearly illustrate his character. It therefore appears that there is one rule for one and one for another for another. I think it’s a more a case of all of those comments were dealt with at the time, and I accept that. I’m sure I could delve into the past posts over the years of every poster and find something to ban them for, but it doesn’t work like that. |
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Dec 19, 2019 13:08:52 GMT
Post by jb on Dec 19, 2019 13:08:52 GMT
Sorry but there seems to be a degree of hypocrisy in this. Yes, the post was shocking and was upsetting for myself personally as I will be going to see a good friend and former work colleague of mine be buried on Monday as the result of such a horrible and indiscriminate disease. The post should have been taken down. However, with reference to the highlighted part this makes no sense as we have Mancot/Sychdyn Blue making comments about Travellers needing to be exterminated, Liverpool fans being scum of the earth, those who dared to vote Conservative being exposed to his bile and vittriol, apparently jokes about Sala and other recent unpleasant and nasty comments. All of these comments were deleted almost instantly. However, these comments clearly illustrate his character. It therefore appears that there is one rule for one and one for another for another. I think it’s a more a case of all of those comments were dealt with at the time, and I accept that. I’m sure I could delve into the past posts over the years of every poster and find something to ban them for, but it doesn’t work like that. So why were your posts dealt differently to that one which was posted yesterday? |
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Dec 19, 2019 13:24:41 GMT
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Post by g1 on Dec 19, 2019 13:24:41 GMT
The next leader of the labour party should be someone who is not a corbynista younger and stronger my choice Lisa nandy but think stammer or Emily (I hate the white working class brits) thornberry will get it if she gets it I will Chuck my membership in
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Dec 19, 2019 13:47:30 GMT
Post by iandychesterfc on Dec 19, 2019 13:47:30 GMT
Long-Bailey I imagine will be up there on the socialist vote. Thornberry is too divisive, Starmer too bland.
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Dec 19, 2019 14:45:54 GMT
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Post by Al on Dec 19, 2019 14:45:54 GMT
Long-Bailey I imagine will be up there on the socialist vote. Thornberry is too divisive, Starmer too bland. I really dont know who to vote for tbh. They're all so meh |
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Dec 19, 2019 14:55:54 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 14:55:54 GMT
*Students, public sector workers and others join Labour to help defend their communities from Tory cuts.
Media:
CORBYN’S ANTISEMITIC TROTSKYITE THUGS LAUNCH SINISTER TAKEOVER OF THE LABOUR PARTY!
*actual fascists join or pledge support for the Tory Party (Hopkins, Yaxley-Lennon, Goulding)
Media: silence
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Dec 19, 2019 16:07:55 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 19, 2019 16:07:55 GMT
Long-Bailey I imagine will be up there on the socialist vote. Thornberry is too divisive, Starmer too bland. I really dont know who to vote for tbh. They're all so meh I agree, the choice isn't particularly inspiring but hopefully some might begin to shine once the leadership election really starts. Thornberry doesn't have much of a chance, she's been too supportive of Corbyn's leadership to win the moderate vote but also not quite supportive enough for the Left to back her. The lefty in me knows it would potentially be a total disaster but I'd love to see Ian Lavery as leader. Northern, Geordie, ex-miner, hard-as-nails, supports Brexit and has a visceral dislike of Tories. He's also nowhere near as nice as Corbyn and will happily get in the gutter which I think is necessary when you are up against the likes of Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson. Need to start fighting dirty again. |
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Dec 19, 2019 16:34:07 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 16:34:07 GMT
Lavery would be my choice too. If we want to truly represent the working class he ticks all the boxes IMO.
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Dec 19, 2019 17:39:06 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 19, 2019 17:39:06 GMT
Here’s what would happen under a Keir Starmer leadership:
1) The second he gets in he denounces Corbyn
2) He lets his right wing allies back into Shadow Cabinet
3) No open selection
4) Workers still alienated by the man who pushed full-Remain
5) Still loses
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Post by Lobster on Dec 19, 2019 18:07:22 GMT
Labour supporters probably need to think more about who is most likely to win an election than who they personally would like it to be.
If some staunch Blairite is what's needed to get the Tories out then, grudgingly, so be it. I'm not convinced it is though.
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Dec 19, 2019 18:56:21 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 19, 2019 18:56:21 GMT
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Dec 20, 2019 10:00:11 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 20, 2019 10:00:11 GMT
Is there any manifesto pledge that this charlatan government are actually going to honour? Just give me one, just one.
Id imagine even “get Brexit done” isn’t going to happen.
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Dec 20, 2019 10:21:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:21:12 GMT
You are becoming obsessed. You have got them for a minimum 5 years. You will give yourself a heart attack worrying about it. I would try doing jigsaws or play board games they are quite relaxing
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Dec 20, 2019 10:22:20 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 20, 2019 10:22:20 GMT
You are becoming obsessed. You have got them for a minimum 5 years. You will give yourself a heart attack worrying about it. I would try doing jigsaws or play board games they are quite relaxingMonopoly might be quite a fitting one  |
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Dec 20, 2019 10:30:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 20, 2019 10:30:26 GMT
You are becoming obsessed. You have got them for a minimum 5 years. You will give yourself a heart attack worrying about it. I would try doing jigsaws or play board games they are quite relaxing So they shouldn’t ever be held to account? That’s a dictatorship you speak of. |
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Dec 20, 2019 10:35:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:35:27 GMT
And just how are you personally going to hold them to account. You are posting in a tiny bubble of about ten people. Hardly going to change the world.
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Dec 20, 2019 11:04:59 GMT
Post by ddod on Dec 20, 2019 11:04:59 GMT
He is going to march down to Westminister and berate them outside the House of Commons. He is like Rik from The Young Ones.
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