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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Dec 13, 2017 22:35:03 GMT
Piss up and breweries spring to mind when it comes to the board. Why couldn’t they have launched this months ago? These are the people in charge of the clubs destiny. Scary. I think we have already seen plenty of what they capable of with the unbelievable JM stance. This incompetence thing with the board carries on frightening stuff. |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Dec 13, 2017 22:44:41 GMT
Could it be that the idea was floated a couple of months ago at boardroom level but it's taken the usual meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting to finalise it? Then a further meeting prior to announcing it? Sorry, I'm just giving the board a semblance of a benefit of the doubt. I really hope the above is a better reflection of what has happened rather than just plain not thinking this through. Come on!! I’m not arguing for arguing sake. The point you make is probably a fair reflection of how this may have progressed. I’m afraid we have seen on going incompetence from spineless individuals since April. It is this mismanagement which has cost us 700 plus Home fans. Absolutely unacceptable |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Dec 13, 2017 23:11:04 GMT
Further the 10/11 thing doesn’t even encourage fans to think about purchasing it. The savings to be had are so nominal. £2 or £1-50 per match day. If this is going to be an attractive proposition it needs to be a significant saving although I guess from a financial perspective we probably couldn’t afford to offer 10 games for £100.
Ok the club is doing something but what it doing isn’t enough surely? The vast majority of our fans keep coming because they love the club and for that reason alone.
So it’s generally not a cost thing. It’s been so disappointing for a good while that any offer needs to really stand out to get or tempt the numbers we’ve lost to return. On recent gates we are down to hardcore diehards now it would seem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 9:45:06 GMT
Looking at the posts above and it's pretty obvious that the general view is that it's a poorly thought out idea.
My big concern is that I've no real confidence that we'll learn from this and we'll see further "initiatives" in the future that will be equally met with both derision and criticism (we have form!)
I'm all for trying things and taking some element of risk providing:
a) there is some sensible thought put in initially
b) those involved are honest enough to say "OK, we tried but it didn't work, we'll learn and try something else"
c) don't insult the intelligence of your average fan by such worthless terms such as "flexibility" - we're not stupid
Other clubs don't seem to have our sort of problems. I may be wrong on that but I do get the feeling we're particularly bad at this sort of thing.
How can they do it and we can't?
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Post by Al on Dec 14, 2017 10:27:18 GMT
Looking at the posts above and it's pretty obvious that the general view is that it's a poorly thought out idea. My big concern is that I've no real confidence that we'll learn from this and we'll see further "initiatives" in the future that will be equally met with both derision and criticism (we have form!) I'm all for trying things and taking some element of risk providing: a) there is some sensible thought put in initially b) those involved are honest enough to say "OK, we tried but it didn't work, we'll learn and try something else" c) don't insult the intelligence of your average fan by such worthless terms such as "flexibility" - we're not stupid Other clubs don't seem to have our sort of problems. I may be wrong on that but I do get the feeling we're particularly bad at this sort of thing. How can they do it and we can't? Just feels rushed doesn't it!?
I said it above but all our main income streams should be planned out pre-season. that includes Season Tickets and Cestrian 10. That way all the boards and volunteers have to do is schedule a date on the calendar to start pushing sales.
Tbh I initially thought Cestrian10 was a half season ticket, only when I looked into it further did I realise it was all about targeting those individuals who can't get to every home game, giving them the 'flexibility' and making a saving as well.
That announcement yesterday is a farce though, in particular the line about giving "complete flexibility" feels like someone is taking the piss tbh
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Post by Captain Duff on Dec 14, 2017 11:08:27 GMT
Looking at the posts above and it's pretty obvious that the general view is that it's a poorly thought out idea. My big concern is that I've no real confidence that we'll learn from this and we'll see further "initiatives" in the future that will be equally met with both derision and criticism (we have form!) I'm all for trying things and taking some element of risk providing: a) there is some sensible thought put in initially b) those involved are honest enough to say "OK, we tried but it didn't work, we'll learn and try something else" c) don't insult the intelligence of your average fan by such worthless terms such as "flexibility" - we're not stupid Other clubs don't seem to have our sort of problems. I may be wrong on that but I do get the feeling we're particularly bad at this sort of thing. How can they do it and we can't? In my mind it comes down to the people employed to do it. This is a basic admin/ops board matter, yes, the elected board can come up with ideas, yes they can instruct, but like any other club the day to day things like ticketing, media, advertising, offers etc., are down to the staff employed to run the club and not whoever the owner(s) happens to be. In the early years we had volunteers who did all of this (with the exception of a lot of the financial things taken care of by David Evens during his MNBA secondment), now we have paid staff to do it. If it isn't being done, or being done well (and that would certainly appear to be the case) then do we have the right staff in post, the right amount of staff, do the staff in post have clear duties and responsibilities? Having managed similar sized staffing groups in the past the latter point is often the most important - so is the CEO line managing the ops board effectively? Is the elected board who act as the owners line managing and holding to account the CEO effectively? |
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Post by dmcnally on Dec 14, 2017 11:14:40 GMT
Isn’t it just 10 adult tickets? Say you go with a mate can’t you have a ticket out of it each? So 5 games to go to with 11 to choose from. Don’t know if it works like that.
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Post by RonD on Dec 14, 2017 11:27:35 GMT
Isn’t it just 10 adult tickets? Say you go with a mate can’t you have a ticket out of it each? So 5 games to go to with 11 to choose from. Don’t know if it works like that. Nothing on the website to say you can't do that. Save some arsing around getting tickets for the Tranmere game! As an aside here's Gateshead's half season ticket . . . £10 a game seated. www.gateshead-fc.com/201718-half-season-ticket/ |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 14, 2017 11:49:48 GMT
Isn’t it just 10 adult tickets? Say you go with a mate can’t you have a ticket out of it each? So 5 games to go to with 11 to choose from. Don’t know if it works like that. A lot of fans of Premier League clubs do that I believe - buy a season ticket between two or three of them and fight it out between them which matches are theirs. Can't see that there's anything wrong with it as long as everyone plays ball. I imagine there has to be one name on the season ticket though, so if your mate's a bit of a knob and does something stupid, you could be held responsible for giving him your ticket. |
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Post by RhosesmorBlue on Dec 14, 2017 11:50:18 GMT
I can never understand why its so difficult to market a football club, its got to be one of the easier marketing tasks as can appeal to a broad spectrum of people.... this 'Cestrian 10' fiasco rightly should have been applied pre-season to capture the floating fan, for which I admit to being as cannot commit every week. Now another ploy I would of advertised from mid-November for an idea for Xmas present for someone would of been 'Xmas Hat-trick', any 3 games valid from Boxing day to end of season for £30.00, £10 a game, sit/stand anywhere. F*cking Easy!
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Post by eyeswideopen on Dec 14, 2017 12:01:15 GMT
Given that there is 1 game on Boxing day, 1 on a Tuesday, 1 on Friday and the rest on a Saturday (including the Tranmere game which could get moved to a different day or time dependent on TV/Police ) There is very little flexibility at all for a fan that say, cant make a midweek game, or vice versa with a Saturday game but can make a night match.
Its a cracking idea which would suit an awful lot of people, its just the timing that's dreadful.
Look out for the next idea when our marketing team will give you ....The wheel....ooh.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 14, 2017 12:12:22 GMT
You do have complete flexibility in which of one of the 11 games you don't want to watch, though!
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Post by dmcnally on Dec 14, 2017 12:35:28 GMT
I can never understand why its so difficult to market a football club, its got to be one of the easier marketing tasks as can appeal to a broad spectrum of people.... this 'Cestrian 10' fiasco rightly should have been applied pre-season to capture the floating fan, for which I admit to being as cannot commit every week. Now another ploy I would of advertised from mid-November for an idea for Xmas present for someone would of been 'Xmas Hat-trick', any 3 games valid from Boxing day to end of season for £30.00, £10 a game, sit/stand anywhere. F*cking Easy! If it’s easy please make yourself known to the club as we could do with someone helping on the marketing front... |
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Post by alancfc on Dec 14, 2017 12:54:03 GMT
I can never understand why its so difficult to market a football club, its got to be one of the easier marketing tasks as can appeal to a broad spectrum of people.... this 'Cestrian 10' fiasco rightly should have been applied pre-season to capture the floating fan, for which I admit to being as cannot commit every week. Now another ploy I would of advertised from mid-November for an idea for Xmas present for someone would of been 'Xmas Hat-trick', any 3 games valid from Boxing day to end of season for £30.00, £10 a game, sit/stand anywhere. F*cking Easy! If it’s easy please make yourself known to the club as we could do with someone helping on the marketing front... Not being funny, but thats what the chairman was elected to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 13:00:24 GMT
I can never understand why its so difficult to market a football club, its got to be one of the easier marketing tasks as can appeal to a broad spectrum of people.... this 'Cestrian 10' fiasco rightly should have been applied pre-season to capture the floating fan, for which I admit to being as cannot commit every week. Now another ploy I would of advertised from mid-November for an idea for Xmas present for someone would of been 'Xmas Hat-trick', any 3 games valid from Boxing day to end of season for £30.00, £10 a game, sit/stand anywhere. F*cking Easy! If it’s easy please make yourself known to the club as we could do with someone helping on the marketing front... To be fair Danny we do have 2 marketing / PR / media people in senior roles on the board. Add to that somebody on the board who owns the local commercial radio station, and a young lad who seems perfectly capable of using social media when it is to boast that he was in Rosies til 4am. If the workload is too great for them, then THEY should be looking to put a Marketing Dept/Team/Committee together, and asking for supporters with the relevent expertise to assist them. If it is all too much for them, then they will have to step down from these positions of responsibility. I am loathe to throw shade at the board as they are volunteers, but actually setting up committees and asking your members and community for help is the cornerstone of any voluntary organisation. This is basic stuff, and we seem to be absolutely shocking at it. Again our issues seem to come down to communication, both inside the club and outside it. Communication between members of staff, volunteers and board members is anything but good. We have a CEO that cannot do everything, a club secretary that appears to do nothing, and a board that do not seem to want to ask for help. No wonder we can't get a simple thing like Cestrian 10 out for November. |
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Post by cooperman on Dec 14, 2017 13:09:08 GMT
its a joke to be honest, and its a shame to see the same old amateur mistakes being made week in week out
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 14, 2017 14:49:17 GMT
If it’s easy please make yourself known to the club as we could do with someone helping on the marketing front... To be fair Danny we do have 2 marketing / PR / media people in senior roles on the board. Add to that somebody on the board who owns the local commercial radio station, and a young lad who seems perfectly capable of using social media when it is to boast that he was in Rosies til 4am. If the workload is too great for them, then THEY should be looking to put a Marketing Dept/Team/Committee together, and asking for supporters with the relevent expertise to assist them. If it is all too much for them, then they will have to step down from these positions of responsibility. I am loathe to throw shade at the board as they are volunteers, but actually setting up committees and asking your members and community for help is the cornerstone of any voluntary organisation. This is basic stuff, and we seem to be absolutely shocking at it. Again our issues seem to come down to communication, both inside the club and outside it. Communication between members of staff, volunteers and board members is anything but good. We have a CEO that cannot do everything, a club secretary that appears to do nothing, and a board that do not seem to want to ask for help. No wonder we can't get a simple thing like Cestrian 10 out for November. If that's the case how do we, the fans, go about putting him on notice. His salary could make a difference elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 15:31:28 GMT
To be fair Danny we do have 2 marketing / PR / media people in senior roles on the board. Add to that somebody on the board who owns the local commercial radio station, and a young lad who seems perfectly capable of using social media when it is to boast that he was in Rosies til 4am. If the workload is too great for them, then THEY should be looking to put a Marketing Dept/Team/Committee together, and asking for supporters with the relevent expertise to assist them. If it is all too much for them, then they will have to step down from these positions of responsibility. I am loathe to throw shade at the board as they are volunteers, but actually setting up committees and asking your members and community for help is the cornerstone of any voluntary organisation. This is basic stuff, and we seem to be absolutely shocking at it. Again our issues seem to come down to communication, both inside the club and outside it. Communication between members of staff, volunteers and board members is anything but good. We have a CEO that cannot do everything, a club secretary that appears to do nothing, and a board that do not seem to want to ask for help. No wonder we can't get a simple thing like Cestrian 10 out for November. If that's the case how do we, the fans, go about putting him on notice. His salary could make a difference elsewhere. I do say 'appears so'. I maybe wrong. I would personally use that money for another commercial body. Seems desperately needed, Mark Maguire is by no means perfect, but is professional and good at his job. His biggest problem is that he is so thinly spread. A lot of this, in my opinion, is down to the lack of actual 'doers' on the board, but again I am happy to be proved wrong. |
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Post by RhosesmorBlue on Dec 14, 2017 16:13:11 GMT
I would be happy to help, but as the current marketing team couldn't think of a simple idea that I thought of whilst eating my breakfast... its a little too late to capitalise on now isn't it... there are so many things big and small that can be done to 1. Generate Money and 2. Get bums on seats.... its a real shame as a fan owned club, the people running it are struggling with the ethos!
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Dec 14, 2017 19:23:38 GMT
Altrincham offer half season ticket for £90. Includes 13 matches, reckon we’ll be swapping places with them at the end of this season
Even my Mrs reckons £16 a game is a joke........
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Post by dmcnally on Dec 14, 2017 19:52:11 GMT
I would be happy to help, but as the current marketing team couldn't think of a simple idea that I thought of whilst eating my breakfast... its a little too late to capitalise on now isn't it... there are so many things big and small that can be done to 1. Generate Money and 2. Get bums on seats.... its a real shame as a fan owned club, the people running it are struggling with the ethos! Never too late... in fact I'd probably say this is the perfect time to volunteer in marketing. Get in contact if you want to help. |
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Post by banksy on Dec 14, 2017 21:53:44 GMT
It's basically just a half season ticket. Don't know why they can't make these Cestrian 10 tickets available at the beginning of the season, something a lot of fans who maybe can't afford the full ticket at the time could really benefit from. Hi Joey. This has been touched on before, and whilst there are a number of more than valid comments on this thread about C10, the biggest risk of launching the 10 game ticket during pre season is that I would imagine a large number of people would buy that ticket instead of a full season ticket which then negatively impacts the pot of money available to spend on players. The other issue is those who decided on the 10 game ticket are probably unlikely to then buy another C10 ticket if the team is having a first half to the season similar to this one. Too much risk in pre season but definitely should be out in November, to allow maximum publicity and give many families the opportunity to make it a Christmas present for someone. Unfortunately most people have already either bought their families presents, or know exactly what they are buying. Jeff |
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