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Post by bonecrusher on Dec 24, 2017 8:32:41 GMT
I still simply can’t get over this. That was beyond abysmal and was probably the worst game I have watched since I started supporting us in 2010. Well the bad news Rio is it will probably get worse before it gets any better.
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Post by devadiva on Dec 24, 2017 8:34:21 GMT
Can anyone explain to me the following:
1. how against two mid table teams we dig deep and win on penalties one week and then capitulate the next?
2. how McCombe retains the captain’s armband when he plays (ignoring the fact that he shouldn’t play) I can’t imagine a worse player in our squad to give it to in terms of providing inspiration - give it back to Tom Shaw or Ryan Astles - at least they play for the shirt and not their pension
3. Why we aren’t putting out our best team every game. According to Chronicle we had a fit squad. If Hannah was limited, why not get him on, get us ahead and then take him off? If MB is thinking he needs to keep players back to ensure wins against Guiseley because they are easier games then he obviously hasn’t learned anything yet about our ability to lose a game - assuming we can take 6 points off Guiseley and forego the “harder” Christmas games is madness - has he no clue that we now have a points per game requirement that I suspect we have only achieved once in this season? We needed a point yesterday minimum and 10 from the 4 December games.
4. How we will stay up this year without relying on another reprieve because of other clubs financial irregularities?
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Post by devadiva on Dec 24, 2017 8:41:54 GMT
Correction: in 3 above I meant to say “once in this league”.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 9:16:56 GMT
Every single bit of criticism on here aimed at the players, manager and board is fully justified after another truly shocking performance yesterday which ranks right up there alongside Kidderminster.
THERE ARE NO EXCUSES!
Worryingly, MB's post match interview is beginning to smack of the delusion we saw all too often with McCarthy - we ARE in deep trouble and the blame, if any, MUST rest with the players AND the manager. IF, MB was big enough to come out and say "Sorry folks but I got it wrong today" then most people MIGHT be prepared to cut him some slack but I fear the "ostrich syndrome" is coming to the fore - don't worry folks it'll be OK in the end!
Just like Kiddie, in the next couple of days, we'll get the "players are disappointed", "we all feel for the fans" etc etc. Sorry, it doesn't wash anymore!
Sorry, but after yesterday, we're doomed to relegation and a long period of obscurity unless there is a MASSIVE change in how this club goes about it's business from the top to the bottom.
WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE AT ALL LEVELS, PLAYING AND OPERATIONAL.
I've said it before, other so-called "lesser" clubs are overtaking and leaving us behind in terms of what they're doing and achieving.
Problem is, quick, massive, wholesale changes are probably beyond us because we're broke, frankly.
I fear we really are at a crossroads, we must make sure we take the right turning. Which one it is, straight on as we are or a turn towards outside investment, I'm not 100% sure either way but the junction is now upon us and decisions will need to be made.
My big concern is I don't think as a club we are capable of making such major decisions rationally
We have stagnated over the last couple of years. Why? All sorts of reasons, I guess. But this cannot carry on, we are slowly dying and there is no reason, in reality, why we should be.
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Post by Believe on Dec 24, 2017 9:46:38 GMT
This football club is such hard work, genuinely just sat through that thoroughly fed up today, just seen far too much shit from them. Absolute gutter performance, one of the very worst I’ve seen. To see us so comprehensively outplayed by such a bad team as Halifax is gut wrenching. Haven’t posted on here for a bit as I just feel really quite drained, I’ll always go, wherever, but just can’t be arsed arguing the toss with people afterwards at the moment to be quite honest. Today really riled me though. I’ve never seen such a static bunch in my life, our midfield in particular just stands still all game, don’t even attempt to lose their markers, just stand there fully marked by more than one and then blame whoever tried to pass them the ball when they lose it. MOVE!!! One of the best players I’ve seen at this level is Danny Whittaker at Macc, when they have the ball he wanders around finding space, he’s like the lad who parks his car at the back of the supermarket car park miles away from every other lazy fucker and has the easiest job getting in and out of the place. Nobody moves to find space with us, we get crowded out like those who look for the space right near the bloody front door! Dawson should be dropped immediately after today, I’ve often defended him as I think he has ability but until he learns some common sense I can’t have him anymore. Makes staggeringly bad decisions on the pitch, constantly trying the impossible. McCombe is coming in for criticism, not least from myself on twitter, but to be honest I think he’s just past it and perhaps in a bit of denial about it. Not convinced he’s some sort of wage thief which maybe some are making him out to be. I was closely looking at the player’s body language once the game was gone and after the final whistle and found his the most intriguing. Gough was torn apart by the outstanding MacDonald, Astles was shoved wider than usual and I’ve no idea where James was supposed to be playing. The lad from Crewe, Udoh, is an absolute waste of time. Nobody dared facing the baying mob at full time, Shaw came the closest (unsurprisingly) and Akintunde clapped from a fair enough distance, as one or two others. Some just marched straight off though, most noticeably Dawson, who didn’t offer a glance. Bignot hung around on the half way line, far enough away from a chorus of jeers to his right. This was worse than Kiddy, constant jeers, boo’s and sarcastic chants throughout the ninety minutes. Easily forgot that were actually any Halifax fans in the stadium. As non-existent home support as you’ll probably come across. Think they actually felt a bit embarrassed to be honest. At one point one of our fans jumped the hoardings, strode towards our dugout and sat down on the bench with our staff. I thought he was going to lamp Bignot as he walked up, hope nothing comes of it as it turned out to be quite light hearted stuff in the end. Just got to keep hoping really, nothing else we can do. Was hardly a typical performance to be fair, just one right out of the top of the shit bin, not the norm but one we’re certainly capable of producing. Would probably actually be typical of this lot to turn it on next week, or maybe not!!! Wow. I know how much you're hurting dude, but don't take it out on us. We were having a ball down our end, maybe you couldn't hear us over your moaning. And you know something else, I don't think our side is as bad as you think they are, certainly their win to loss stats doesn't support that. True, we're one of those teams that are either shit hot, or just plain shit, but we've had some great results this season. The quality in the squad is thin, which means we really struggle when we get injuries and suspensions, but we have enough to stay in this league if we can keep our best players on the pitch. Chester were indeed terrible but I have to tell you they were no worse than we've been on our off days. So, maybe there is hope, and I would just LOVE it if you can take 6 points off bloody Guiseley in your double header. Come on Chester, get your act together, we can't let those Mickey Mousers stay up again while a proper club like yours goes down. UP THE BLUES!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 24, 2017 10:08:39 GMT
Quote from the Halifax Courier
Chester played like a pub team suffering from hangovers from the Christmas party the night before
Is that a fair comment
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Post by Harry Lime on Dec 24, 2017 10:09:37 GMT
Christmas always seems to be a crap time for us. That said I don’t think even Alex Ferguson could get some of these players motivated. Something is and has been destabilising the dressing room for a few seasons now. Something just is not right. Bet there are a couple of surprising departures in January. There’s one player I’d ditch in a heartbeat but don’t think it’d make me very popular saying it. Just say it. That's what a forum is for. Something has looked seriously wrong with this group of players since day one. As many as possible need to be moved on quickly. Problem is, who would take over their contracts? I suspect most would want to go if there was an opportunity to move. Don't have any confidence in our ability to bring anyone decent in though. None of the recent signings have really improved us, have they? Archer might. Hall-Thompson has, but he'll be gone soon. Most of our crowdfunding money seems to have been spent on Udoh's wages. That's not going to help future crowdfunding attempts, is it?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 24, 2017 11:10:36 GMT
Exactly, if it were me I would place the entire squad on the transferelist with the exception of Jones, Archer and Astle's, (if he lost 2 stone).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 11:13:03 GMT
I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering whether MB is losing the dressing room and the players are not playing for him after yesterday's performance. Maybe the Phil Brown thing after Kiddie has backfired and/or they don't like his approach and/or the full time model is not going down well. Whatever the reasons, we didn't remotely resemble a team yesterday. No structure, no apparent tactics, but worst of all, NO FIGHT!
If this is the case, then I can't see a way back for the MB and I can foresee a parting of the ways sooner rather than later
Yet again, players may well cost a manager his job
Anyone feel the same?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 24, 2017 11:18:37 GMT
No I would keep the manager,. Although, what he does between now and the end of the season is crucial and dispence with the services of as many, of this underperforming shower, as possible.
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Post by kyle on Dec 24, 2017 11:29:10 GMT
I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering whether MB is losing the dressing room and the players are not playing for him after yesterday's performance. Maybe the Phil Brown thing after Kiddie has backfired and/or they don't like his approach and/or the full time model is not going down well. Whatever the reasons, we didn't remotely resemble a team yesterday. No structure, no apparent tactics, but worst of all, NO FIGHT! If this is the case, then I can't see a way back for the MB and I can foresee a parting of the ways sooner rather than later Yet again, players may well cost a manager his job Anyone feel the same? I'm starting to agree. Didn't look like the players were interested in what he had to say. I'm losing faith in MB, I don't think we are more than 10% better. I know he's got a very difficult task, but we look disorganized and demotivated I'm not advocating sacking (we can't afford it for a start), but I'm far from convinced he's the man for the job
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Post by jb on Dec 24, 2017 11:37:53 GMT
Quote from the Halifax Courier Chester played like a pub team suffering from hangovers from the Christmas party the night before Is that a fair comment Yep, and McCombe looks like he’s permanently on the piss. State of him makes look like a pub player.
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Post by tonya on Dec 24, 2017 11:38:00 GMT
Financially we have no choice but to retain the manager. Length of his contract is?
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Post by navajo on Dec 24, 2017 11:43:41 GMT
Seems to me that Bignot is selling us the emperor's new clothes. All the talk but no substance. Hasn't shown anything to suggest he has any clue, any idea or any answers about how to turn it around. No good moaning about this is the group I've got until the end of the season. He knew the score when he go the job and had the thick end of 30 games to get us out of trouble. So far he's won many games as Jon McCarthy, hardly an upgrade.
Looks completely out of his depth. Shuffling the pack yesterday was a ridiculous call. Bringing McCombe back in just smacks of being irrational and irresponsible. And leaving Hannah on the bench is well simply gross negligence!
There is absolutely no hope of us staying in this division with the current management, board and group of players in place.
Clearing of the decks desperately needed or we could fall straight through the Conf North, given the abysmal nature of the performance against a mid table Harriers side in the FA Cup, a struggle to put a scratch Fylde outfit (North winners last season) last week, followed by yesterday's shocking effort against last season's Conf North play-off winners Halifax.
Dark days indeed.
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Post by tonya on Dec 24, 2017 11:48:20 GMT
Can someone tell me length of his contract?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 24, 2017 11:49:47 GMT
I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering whether MB is losing the dressing room and the players are not playing for him after yesterday's performance. Maybe the Phil Brown thing after Kiddie has backfired and/or they don't like his approach and/or the full time model is not going down well. Whatever the reasons, we didn't remotely resemble a team yesterday. No structure, no apparent tactics, but worst of all, NO FIGHT! If this is the case, then I can't see a way back for the MB and I can foresee a parting of the ways sooner rather than later Yet again, players may well cost a manager his job Anyone feel the same? I'm starting to agree. Didn't look like the players were interested in what he had to say. I'm losing faith in MB, I don't think we are more than 10% better. I know he's got a very difficult task, but we look disorganized and demotivated I'm not advocating sacking (we can't afford it for a start), but I'm far from convinced he's the man for the job If you could clone the collective brains and tactical/ football awareness of Sir Alex Ferguson. Pep Guardiola. Sir Alf Ramsey and Bill Shankly, you would be hard pressed to get a performance out of this useless bunch of time wasters. Bill Shankly one said: ' Foiotball is like plying a piano. You need 9 people to carry it and 2 that can actually play the thing@. The major problem. with that is that we dont have the 2 that can play it. lol
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Post by jb on Dec 24, 2017 11:53:57 GMT
This football club is such hard work, genuinely just sat through that thoroughly fed up today, just seen far too much shit from them. Absolute gutter performance, one of the very worst I’ve seen. To see us so comprehensively outplayed by such a bad team as Halifax is gut wrenching. Haven’t posted on here for a bit as I just feel really quite drained, I’ll always go, wherever, but just can’t be arsed arguing the toss with people afterwards at the moment to be quite honest. Today really riled me though. I’ve never seen such a static bunch in my life, our midfield in particular just stands still all game, don’t even attempt to lose their markers, just stand there fully marked by more than one and then blame whoever tried to pass them the ball when they lose it. MOVE!!! One of the best players I’ve seen at this level is Danny Whittaker at Macc, when they have the ball he wanders around finding space, he’s like the lad who parks his car at the back of the supermarket car park miles away from every other lazy fucker and has the easiest job getting in and out of the place. Nobody moves to find space with us, we get crowded out like those who look for the space right near the bloody front door! Dawson should be dropped immediately after today, I’ve often defended him as I think he has ability but until he learns some common sense I can’t have him anymore. Makes staggeringly bad decisions on the pitch, constantly trying the impossible. McCombe is coming in for criticism, not least from myself on twitter, but to be honest I think he’s just past it and perhaps in a bit of denial about it. Not convinced he’s some sort of wage thief which maybe some are making him out to be. I was closely looking at the player’s body language once the game was gone and after the final whistle and found his the most intriguing. Gough was torn apart by the outstanding MacDonald, Astles was shoved wider than usual and I’ve no idea where James was supposed to be playing. The lad from Crewe, Udoh, is an absolute waste of time. Nobody dared facing the baying mob at full time, Shaw came the closest (unsurprisingly) and Akintunde clapped from a fair enough distance, as one or two others. Some just marched straight off though, most noticeably Dawson, who didn’t offer a glance. Bignot hung around on the half way line, far enough away from a chorus of jeers to his right. This was worse than Kiddy, constant jeers, boo’s and sarcastic chants throughout the ninety minutes. Easily forgot that were actually any Halifax fans in the stadium. As non-existent home support as you’ll probably come across. Think they actually felt a bit embarrassed to be honest. At one point one of our fans jumped the hoardings, strode towards our dugout and sat down on the bench with our staff. I thought he was going to lamp Bignot as he walked up, hope nothing comes of it as it turned out to be quite light hearted stuff in the end. Just got to keep hoping really, nothing else we can do. Was hardly a typical performance to be fair, just one right out of the top of the shit bin, not the norm but one we’re certainly capable of producing. Would probably actually be typical of this lot to turn it on next week, or maybe not!!! Wow. I know how much you're hurting dude, but don't take it out on us. We were having a ball down our end, maybe you couldn't hear us over your moaning. And you know something else, I don't think our side is as bad as you think they are, certainly their win to loss stats doesn't support that. True, we're one of those teams that are either shit hot, or just plain shit, but we've had some great results this season. The quality in the squad is thin, which means we really struggle when we get injuries and suspensions, but we have enough to stay in this league if we can keep our best players on the pitch. Chester were indeed terrible but I have to tell you they were no worse than we've been on our off days. So, maybe there is hope, and I would just LOVE it if you can take 6 points off bloody Guiseley in your double header. Come on Chester, get your act together, we can't let those Mickey Mousers stay up again while a proper club like yours goes down. UP THE BLUES! We are down and have no chance of beating Guiseley whatsoever. Can we Billy Heath and your giant centre forward next season for the North? Only highlight yesterday was getting to see Halifax town centre and was pleasantly surprised what a nice town it is. The Piece Hall was a touch of class. By the way what are you feeding Fatty er I mean Matty Brown? He’s got an arse like a badly packed parachute? He actually wobbles when he runs!
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Post by Believe on Dec 24, 2017 12:08:34 GMT
Wow. I know how much you're hurting dude, but don't take it out on us. We were having a ball down our end, maybe you couldn't hear us over your moaning. And you know something else, I don't think our side is as bad as you think they are, certainly their win to loss stats doesn't support that. True, we're one of those teams that are either shit hot, or just plain shit, but we've had some great results this season. The quality in the squad is thin, which means we really struggle when we get injuries and suspensions, but we have enough to stay in this league if we can keep our best players on the pitch. Chester were indeed terrible but I have to tell you they were no worse than we've been on our off days. So, maybe there is hope, and I would just LOVE it if you can take 6 points off bloody Guiseley in your double header. Come on Chester, get your act together, we can't let those Mickey Mousers stay up again while a proper club like yours goes down. UP THE BLUES! We are down and have no chance of beating Guiseley whatsoever. Can we Billy Heath and your giant centre forward next season for the North? Only highlight yesterday was getting to see Halifax town centre and was pleasantly surprised what a nice town it is. The Piece Hall was a touch of class. By the way what are you feeding Fatty er I mean Matty Brown? He’s got an arse like a badly packed parachute? He actually wobbles when he runs! It's interesting you say that, because I've been thinking the same until I saw your own number 5 yesterday (was it 5?). I mean seriously! 😂 And thanks for your comments on our town, people are starting to notice this now. A LOT of money has been spent on it though.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 24, 2017 12:27:54 GMT
Fair play to you Believe. This league is all about attacking and defending Set Pieces and you have the ideal man for that in Tom Denton. Obviously, with Denton in the team and pace along the flanks and breaking from midfield, you will hold your own in the devision , no problem. You are light years better than us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 12:36:59 GMT
I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering whether MB is losing the dressing room and the players are not playing for him after yesterday's performance. Maybe the Phil Brown thing after Kiddie has backfired and/or they don't like his approach and/or the full time model is not going down well. Whatever the reasons, we didn't remotely resemble a team yesterday. No structure, no apparent tactics, but worst of all, NO FIGHT! If this is the case, then I can't see a way back for the MB and I can foresee a parting of the ways sooner rather than later Yet again, players may well cost a manager his job Anyone feel the same? I'm starting to agree. Didn't look like the players were interested in what he had to say. I'm losing faith in MB, I don't think we are more than 10% better. I know he's got a very difficult task, but we look disorganized and demotivated I'm not advocating sacking (we can't afford it for a start), but I'm far from convinced he's the man for the job I'm certainly not calling for his sacking I'm merely saying that sometimes these things generate a momentum of their own. Benjamin Franklin said there are two certainties in life - death and taxes. He was wrong, there are three - death, taxes and football managers losing their jobs! Players, whether directly or indirectly, are often a major factor in most cases. A tiny bit of me thinks it MIGHT be beginning to happen here.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2017 14:01:04 GMT
We are down and have no chance of beating Guiseley whatsoever. Can we Billy Heath and your giant centre forward next season for the North? Only highlight yesterday was getting to see Halifax town centre and was pleasantly surprised what a nice town it is. The Piece Hall was a touch of class. By the way what are you feeding Fatty er I mean Matty Brown? He’s got an arse like a badly packed parachute? He actually wobbles when he runs! It's interesting you say that, because I've been thinking the same until I saw your own number 5 yesterday (was it 5?). I mean seriously! 😂 I think it's our number 6 you're on about, Ryan Astles. He's a bit of a man mountain, but he's been easily our best and most committed player this season. He could go a long way if he can shift the gut!
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2017 14:17:46 GMT
The first ones just a size mismatch at the far post from what is to be fair a good ball in to him. The rest well what can you say misplaced pass halfway inside our own half half and a square ball at that. It’s the way it looks so easy for anyone to run at us with the ball who had any pace ala Kidderminster. I think there's a lot more wrong with the first goal than that when you look at it. Starts with Astles being drawn into a left back position and being burned. With all the will in the world, the lad does not have pace and needs to be at the centre of the defence. The pull-back sees Hornby trip over and two Halifax players unmarked. One misses his kick - first let-off. The other has his shot cleared off the line by RHJ - second let-off. That should've been the end of the attack, but Dawson (I think) is shrugged off the ball like he's not there, and McCombe, whose an experienced lad and should be the lynchpin of the back three, for some reason follows the ball out to the edge of his area. If he does that, he needs to stop the cross. He doesn't, and the ball is too good for Astles who is the only man their to defend it. A shambles, really.
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Post by thetheremin on Dec 24, 2017 14:19:11 GMT
Christmas always seems to be a crap time for us. That said I don’t think even Alex Ferguson could get some of these players motivated. Something is and has been destabilising the dressing room for a few seasons now. Something just is not right. Bet there are a couple of surprising departures in January. There’s one player I’d ditch in a heartbeat but don’t think it’d make me very popular saying it. Just say it. That's what a forum is for. We need to take a look at who has been in the squad for a while. Every Christmas things turn to absolute shite - the players just stop acting like professionals and seem to take the festive season off. We never really recover from it. Which players are dictating they can behave in that way - I reckon we are going to get some very surprising answers when Bignot does his transfer business in January One thing for sure - the couple of players I’m thinking of really don’t give a shit about the club.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2017 16:06:25 GMT
Just say it. That's what a forum is for. We need to take a look at who has been in the squad for a while. Every Christmas things turn to absolute shite - the players just stop acting like professionals and seem to take the festive season off. We never really recover from it. Which players are dictating they can behave in that way - I reckon we are going to get some very surprising answers when Bignot does his transfer business in January One thing for sure - the couple of players I’m thinking of really don’t give a shit about the club. The January transfer window no longer applies at this level, teams can sign players whenever they want, so I wouldn't expect any more or less activity than in any other month.
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Post by tonya on Dec 24, 2017 16:49:44 GMT
If we didn't have a manager yesterday would we have lost by any more?
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Post by rcb on Dec 24, 2017 17:07:33 GMT
Very silent when a simple question has been asked. How long is his contract?
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2017 17:12:34 GMT
Very silent when a simple question has been asked. How long is his contract? Simple questions don't always have a simple answer. I don't think the length of his contract has been disclosed.
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Post by tonya on Dec 24, 2017 17:48:38 GMT
Very silent when a simple question has been asked. How long is his contract? And I have asked a few times now. Its a pretty basic question and the Board surely can't keep this a secret. Normal practice after an appointment at a club to announce length of contract. For a fans based club also there is a principle of openness so very surprised that it isn't public knowledge.
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Post by g1 on Dec 24, 2017 18:51:16 GMT
Financially we have no choice but to retain the manager. Length of his contract is? 6 months
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Post by Harry Lime on Dec 24, 2017 19:10:30 GMT
I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering whether MB is losing the dressing room and the players are not playing for him after yesterday's performance. Maybe the Phil Brown thing after Kiddie has backfired and/or they don't like his approach and/or the full time model is not going down well. Whatever the reasons, we didn't remotely resemble a team yesterday. No structure, no apparent tactics, but worst of all, NO FIGHT! If this is the case, then I can't see a way back for the MB and I can foresee a parting of the ways sooner rather than later Yet again, players may well cost a manager his job Anyone feel the same? Yes. The players can't have any confidence in him, as he appears to have no confidence in them. He's tried to bring in players to replace most of them, dropped them for young loanees who aren't any better. He's also distanced himself from the early defeats. If the bullying takes from Grimsby are actually correct, then you'd understand if he'd lost them already. Then again, you'd want to lose some of this lot. The players looked lost back in August, and not much has changed really.
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