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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 19, 2018 18:04:34 GMT
Any idea if a fee was involved, or was it more a case of freeing up his wage? Id have thought there would be no fee. MB said he was going to get rid of players to bring some in so here we are. Loads brought in, Shaw out with kids and Chappell on loan. again this loads brought in myth - where?
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 19, 2018 18:08:29 GMT
Big Si, you might, indirectly, have hit on another aspect of this move. Shaw always struck me as a decent, honourable and honest person as evidenced when he was caretaker boss. It has crossed my mind, like yours, that he perhaps realised that he wasn't at the standard he was last season and coupled with his other activities he decided that the move was good for all parties - he could easily have seen out the next three months, taken the money and left in April. But I wonder if he decided not to "steal a wage" (surely something that should not cross any player's mind), and give a club he obviously had great affection for an improved chance to stay up. Just a thought! There is that school of thought perhaps. The opportunity to reduce travelling and play part time at a level where is more likely to boss games. To me, him wanting to do coaching at the start of the season rather than play was an early sign of him accepting that his best days are behind him. I agree with all of these points, but how does this help Chester FC? I bought a season ticket to watch our strongest team, not let key players leave as and when they choose. We need to stay up, Tom leaving is another nail. I want us to stay up!!!
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Post by bethnalblue on Jan 19, 2018 18:10:29 GMT
Id have thought there would be no fee. MB said he was going to get rid of players to bring some in so here we are. Loads brought in, Shaw out with kids and Chappell on loan. again this loads brought in myth - where? Vaughan Rainey Anderson Slew Archer Gough Hall-Johnson Udoh Murombedzi Hornby Roberts Zanzala Crump Thats a least 13 players, Is that enough to be classed as loads for you.......
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 19, 2018 18:21:51 GMT
again this loads brought in myth - where? Vaughan Rainey Anderson Slew Archer Gough Hall-Johnson Udoh Murombedzi Hornby Roberts Zanzala Crump Thats a least 13 players, Is that enough to be classed as loads for you....... That’s definitely loads. Hardly an inspirational group of signings. Amazing when apparently we had no money to bring players in. Two questions, how many have arrived from League clubs, hence have “promise” as opposed to come here from clubs lower down the pyramid. I’d prefer to see hungry young pros who are striving for a full time pro contract somewhere as opposed to Conference “journey men”. We have enough of those. And secondly, how many have been decent? I can name 2 that I’d want to see here next season from the 13. Not it very good is it?
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Post by thetheremin on Jan 19, 2018 18:32:23 GMT
Good. Seriously.
I’ve alluded to wanting this to happen.
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Post by Anders on Jan 19, 2018 18:51:19 GMT
Think iandychesterfc has already pointed this out elsewhere but a lot of these signings were short stop gap signings as cover. Crump and Vaughan for example to cover for Mitchell whilst off on international duty and his eventual loss as he wasn’t proving good enough. Rainey came in shortly after Hall-Johnson’s injury and Udoh whilst White and Archer were injured. Think people are putting too much emphasis on them. But perhaps for some it’s useful armoury to continually knock someone with who they took an instant dislike towards.
As for Shaw, well he’s been a great servant to the club. Spoken to him a few times and he’s genuinely a cracking bloke. I suppose we are well supplied with players for that position, mind you he was the best of them. Hopefully we can reinvest some money in to positions we’re short in, like wide midfield, that could help balance the squad a bit more.
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Post by Jack on Jan 19, 2018 19:19:18 GMT
In one way, it's a bit of a shame. He was a good servant, a top professional and gave his all for us. He was great until the nosedive last year and you always knew what you'd get from him.
But I agree his best days are behind him. Looked to me like he was struggling to get around the pitch as much as he did last season. I think it's a good time to shake hands, thank him for his service and move on.
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Post by sirfred on Jan 19, 2018 19:50:38 GMT
To be honest he was a crab like midfielder sideways backwards sideways backwards - great dedication but crab like football not arsed with his departure to be honest
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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 19, 2018 19:59:17 GMT
Think iandychesterfc has already pointed this out elsewhere but a lot of these signings were short stop gap signings as cover. Crump and Vaughan for example to cover for Mitchell whilst off on international duty and his eventual loss as he wasn’t proving good enough. Rainey came in shortly after Hall-Johnson’s injury and Udoh whilst White and Archer were injured. Think people are putting too much emphasis on them. But perhaps for some it’s useful armoury to continually knock someone with who they took an instant dislike towards. As for Shaw, well he’s been a great servant to the club. Spoken to him a few times and he’s genuinely a cracking bloke. I suppose we are well supplied with players for that position, mind you he was the best of them. Hopefully we can reinvest some money in to positions we’re short in, like wide midfield, that could help balance the squad a bit more. Yes, and it has been very clear from all the information that we have been at the edge of our spending abilities throughout this time due to the front loading of what was a very good season's budget by the previous manager. In the circumstances while some of those signings haven't worked out (with loan players you need to take chances that don't always work due to the taking what is available and affordable when in need), MB has done what we all knew was needed and has attempted to rebuild as much of the team that a buttons amount of money has allowed him to. Not that any of this matters to a couple of the bile merchants on here.
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Post by bonecrusher on Jan 19, 2018 20:04:21 GMT
again this loads brought in myth - where? Vaughan Rainey Anderson Slew Archer Gough Hall-Johnson Udoh Murombedzi Hornby Roberts Zanzala Crump Thats a least 13 players, Is that enough to be classed as loads for you....... loads of crap
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Post by 1paulcarden on Jan 19, 2018 20:39:36 GMT
again this loads brought in myth - where? Vaughan Rainey Anderson Slew Archer Gough Hall-Johnson Udoh Murombedzi Hornby Roberts Zanzala Crump Thats a least 13 players, Is that enough to be classed as loads for you....... No. As about 8 of them were signed for half a coke and a bag of scampi fries. Pretty dim to describe Crump, Rainey & Vaughan as signings as they were on glorified trial and paid expenses/ free.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 19, 2018 21:05:59 GMT
Think iandychesterfc has already pointed this out elsewhere but a lot of these signings were short stop gap signings as cover. Crump and Vaughan for example to cover for Mitchell whilst off on international duty and his eventual loss as he wasn’t proving good enough. Rainey came in shortly after Hall-Johnson’s injury and Udoh whilst White and Archer were injured. Think people are putting too much emphasis on them. But perhaps for some it’s useful armoury to continually knock someone with who they took an instant dislike towards. As for Shaw, well he’s been a great servant to the club. Spoken to him a few times and he’s genuinely a cracking bloke. I suppose we are well supplied with players for that position, mind you he was the best of them. Hopefully we can reinvest some money in to positions we’re short in, like wide midfield, that could help balance the squad a bit more. Spot on Anders. McCarthy had £400k to spend in the summer yet most of Bignot’s signings, for next to nothing and mid season whilst few players are available, (proper signings not just short term cover) have played better and continue to start in our squad; Gough, RHJ, Hornby, Archer to name a few. Hope this new winger can do the business as we’ve been crying out for someone like him to just get us up the pitch and show some attacking intent. Looks like he could be at right back tomorrow though since RHJ won’t be a Chester player for the moment at least.
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 19, 2018 22:07:57 GMT
Think iandychesterfc has already pointed this out elsewhere but a lot of these signings were short stop gap signings as cover. Crump and Vaughan for example to cover for Mitchell whilst off on international duty and his eventual loss as he wasn’t proving good enough. Rainey came in shortly after Hall-Johnson’s injury and Udoh whilst White and Archer were injured. Think people are putting too much emphasis on them. But perhaps for some it’s useful armoury to continually knock someone with who they took an instant dislike towards. As for Shaw, well he’s been a great servant to the club. Spoken to him a few times and he’s genuinely a cracking bloke. I suppose we are well supplied with players for that position, mind you he was the best of them. Hopefully we can reinvest some money in to positions we’re short in, like wide midfield, that could help balance the squad a bit more. Spot on Anders. McCarthy had £400k to spend in the summer yet most of Bignot’s signings, for next to nothing and mid season whilst few players are available, (proper signings not just short term cover) have played better and continue to start in our squad; Gough, RHJ, Hornby, Archer to name a few. Hope this new winger can do the business as we’ve been crying out for someone like him to just get us up the pitch and show some attacking intent. Looks like he could be at right back tomorrow though since RHJ won’t be a Chester player for the moment at least. £450k actually.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jan 19, 2018 22:10:21 GMT
Vaughan Rainey Anderson Slew Archer Gough Hall-Johnson Udoh Murombedzi Hornby Roberts Zanzala Crump Thats a least 13 players, Is that enough to be classed as loads for you....... No. As about 8 of them were signed for half a coke and a bag of scampi fries. Pretty dim to describe Crump, Rainey & Vaughan as signings as they were on glorified trial and paid expenses/ free. Where did I say they were signed? And where did the poster I replied too say they where signed? I guess only a "dim" person would assume that brought in means signed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 22:39:30 GMT
No. As about 8 of them were signed for half a coke and a bag of scampi fries. Pretty dim to describe Crump, Rainey & Vaughan as signings as they were on glorified trial and paid expenses/ free. Where did I say they were signed? And where did the poster I replied too say they where signed? I guess only a "dim" person would assume that brought in means signed. The manager arrived and was allowed to bring in players, a couple contracted and others on loan, but as the budget had been spent this was on the understanding he was to clear some out to cover this additional cost. The cost of a full time loan player is not "trial/free". Try £200 a week accomodation costs. Plus wages and expenses. It really starts to mount up.
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 19, 2018 23:23:46 GMT
Where did I say they were signed? And where did the poster I replied too say they where signed? I guess only a "dim" person would assume that brought in means signed. The manager arrived and was allowed to bring in players, a couple contracted and others on loan, but as the budget had been spent this was on the understanding he was to clear some out to cover this additional cost. The cost of a full time loan player is not "trial/free". Try £200 a week accomodation costs. Plus wages and expenses. It really starts to mount up. £200 pounds a week? Are we relocating the whole family?
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Post by Al on Jan 20, 2018 9:58:30 GMT
The manager arrived and was allowed to bring in players, a couple contracted and others on loan, but as the budget had been spent this was on the understanding he was to clear some out to cover this additional cost. The cost of a full time loan player is not "trial/free". Try £200 a week accomodation costs. Plus wages and expenses. It really starts to mount up. £200 pounds a week? Are we relocating the whole family? You never stayed in a hotel for more than one night? You put these lads up in travel lodges or equivalent. And yes it's around that amount per week.
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Post by noddy on Jan 20, 2018 19:09:30 GMT
What I want to know concerning Tom Shaw is I believe he has a fulltime position with Nottingham University. Which beggars believe who sanctioned his last contract extension, what commitment did he have to training, especially with us going gown the 4 days a week route. It just doesn't add up to me, it's a similar situation with Craig Mahon who I believe works with Wigan academy though I don't know his actual circumstances regarding days or hours worked there. Andy Halls, a personal trainer. There are too many conflict of interests for me, showing lack of commitment to our football club and its showing. Mystery injuries, why bother playing football if you can earn off the field! Too many players have seen us as a soft touch, contracts have been handed out willy nilly without I think enough due diligence regarding players off the field other commitments or injury histories. So much has to change off the field before things hopefully improve on it, it will take time but we have to be much more thorough and professional because it has been farcical at time and players have been taking advantage, maybe only subconsciously sometimes but you only get out what you put in and far too many of these players lack the necessary heart, commitment and effort. We are far too soft, amateurish and all that starts from the top I'm afraid the boardroom.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 20, 2018 19:42:40 GMT
What I want to know concerning Tom Shaw is I believe he has a fulltime position with Nottingham University. Which beggars believe who sanctioned his last contract extension, what commitment did he have to training, especially with us going gown the 4 days a week route. It just doesn't add up to me, it's a similar situation with Craig Mahon who I believe works with Wigan academy though I don't know his actual circumstances regarding days or hours worked there. Andy Halls, a personal trainer. There are too many conflict of interests for me, showing lack of commitment to our football club and its showing. Mystery injuries, why bother playing football if you can earn off the field! Too many players have seen us as a soft touch, contracts have been handed out willy nilly without I think enough due diligence regarding players off the field other commitments or injury histories. So much has to change off the field before things hopefully improve on it, it will take time but we have to be much more thorough and professional because it has been farcical at time and players have been taking advantage, maybe only subconsciously sometimes but you only get out what you put in and far too many of these players lack the necessary heart, commitment and effort. We are far too soft, amateurish and all that starts from the top I'm afraid the boardroom. Agreed. I posted this on Mick Moore thread a few hours ago when someone queried our injury record. " May not be training related, could be that the "training" gets in the way of some of the PT players other commitments or we just have a squad of snowflakes"
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