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Post by devadiva on Jan 24, 2018 13:35:19 GMT
...what is your suggestion? 8 years ago, the club needed money to get itself off the ground and give us a chance of fighting back. You all stepped up to the plate and delivered. 2800 people at our first home league game was simply unbelievable. We can see where the club is heading right now, that's there for all to see. The club needs money. Now we also know there is no white knight out there waiting to come and save the day. There are more likely to be vultures waiting out there to try and benefit from a club suddenly struggling to make ends meet. Do we want those vultures to suddenly rip the club apart once again like last time? The stark reality is that we as fans need to put some real plans together. It's our club. It's your club. We are the guardians of it, so let's help it rather than hammer it into the ground. One of my reasons for getting involved 8 years ago is that I couldn't stand back and see our club die (forget what those over the border sing. They haven't got a clue what we went through). We had to come up with a plan, and we did. The owner at the time had one motivation, to drag it down and kill it. He certainly dragged it down but did he kill it? No. It was the start of a new chapter. Now, we're at a point where we all need to come together again, like it or not, the club needs money and our help. There are various ways in which money can be raised to get this fantastic proud club back off its knees again. We all love following the Blues. We go through life feeling frustrated, happy, annoyed, delirious, cheesed off, passionate, fed up, nervous .. The list goes on but we all come back for more because we are Chester fans simple as that, we all bleed blue and white. So it's up to us as fans and guardians, to do what's best for our club. We're all supporters, so let's go the extra mile and support it right now. It doesn't take a genius to see that attendances are the main reason for lack of income at the club. Players are being offloaded as we don't have the money to keep them on. Who wants to give in, not bother any more, and just say call it quits? If you fall in that category, then what was the point of doing what we did 8 years ago? Remember how it felt when the fans rallied together. We changed things for the better, everyone enjoyed the experience so so much. We can help the club, so the challenge is how can you raise money for your club? Sorry for the war and peace email, but that's clearly where we are right now. Ask yourself, what's the alternative? For me it doesn't bear thinking about. Thursday night's CFU meeting at the club is a chance for the board to tell everyone how it is right now, be as transparent as possible and have a clear idea of what we need to do to put things right. We need to leave that meeting with more actions than words.. Jeff Spot on. And the Boards collective behaviour tomorrow will be key, I am sure plenty of us would dig deep for the club we love but need the confidence that the board ( who had the biggest budget ever this year and who have frittered it away by Jan) have had an epiphany or someone steps up to the plate to fill MMs role. I suspect enthusiastic amateurs are enough at CN and Evo level but in the NL I think we need more professionalism than that to survive/bounce back in the next few seasons.
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Post by sealandender on Jan 24, 2018 13:42:21 GMT
...what is your suggestion? 8 years ago, the club needed money to get itself off the ground and give us a chance of fighting back. You all stepped up to the plate and delivered. 2800 people at our first home league game was simply unbelievable. We can see where the club is heading right now, that's there for all to see. The club needs money. Now we also know there is no white knight out there waiting to come and save the day. There are more likely to be vultures waiting out there to try and benefit from a club suddenly struggling to make ends meet. Do we want those vultures to suddenly rip the club apart once again like last time? The stark reality is that we as fans need to put some real plans together. It's our club. It's your club. We are the guardians of it, so let's help it rather than hammer it into the ground. One of my reasons for getting involved 8 years ago is that I couldn't stand back and see our club die (forget what those over the border sing. They haven't got a clue what we went through). We had to come up with a plan, and we did. The owner at the time had one motivation, to drag it down and kill it. He certainly dragged it down but did he kill it? No. It was the start of a new chapter. Now, we're at a point where we all need to come together again, like it or not, the club needs money and our help. There are various ways in which money can be raised to get this fantastic proud club back off its knees again. We all love following the Blues. We go through life feeling frustrated, happy, annoyed, delirious, cheesed off, passionate, fed up, nervous .. The list goes on but we all come back for more because we are Chester fans simple as that, we all bleed blue and white. So it's up to us as fans and guardians, to do what's best for our club. We're all supporters, so let's go the extra mile and support it right now. It doesn't take a genius to see that attendances are the main reason for lack of income at the club. Players are being offloaded as we don't have the money to keep them on. Who wants to give in, not bother any more, and just say call it quits? If you fall in that category, then what was the point of doing what we did 8 years ago? Remember how it felt when the fans rallied together. We changed things for the better, everyone enjoyed the experience so so much. We can help the club, so the challenge is how can you raise money for your club? Sorry for the war and peace email, but that's clearly where we are right now. Ask yourself, what's the alternative? For me it doesn't bear thinking about. Thursday night's CFU meeting at the club is a chance for the board to tell everyone how it is right now, be as transparent as possible and have a clear idea of what we need to do to put things right. We need to leave that meeting with more actions than words.. Jeff great post .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 15:54:28 GMT
Quite simply, a board that are actually fit to run the club. Whoever is on the board is a different debate. Same faces or new faces, the message is going to be the same, hence my original question. Bring back the original board, the ones who got it going.
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Post by everhopeful on Jan 24, 2018 16:28:12 GMT
...what is your suggestion? 8 years ago, the club needed money to get itself off the ground and give us a chance of fighting back. You all stepped up to the plate and delivered. 2800 people at our first home league game was simply unbelievable. We can see where the club is heading right now, that's there for all to see. The club needs money. Now we also know there is no white knight out there waiting to come and save the day. There are more likely to be vultures waiting out there to try and benefit from a club suddenly struggling to make ends meet. Do we want those vultures to suddenly rip the club apart once again like last time? The stark reality is that we as fans need to put some real plans together. It's our club. It's your club. We are the guardians of it, so let's help it rather than hammer it into the ground. One of my reasons for getting involved 8 years ago is that I couldn't stand back and see our club die (forget what those over the border sing. They haven't got a clue what we went through). We had to come up with a plan, and we did. The owner at the time had one motivation, to drag it down and kill it. He certainly dragged it down but did he kill it? No. It was the start of a new chapter. Now, we're at a point where we all need to come together again, like it or not, the club needs money and our help. There are various ways in which money can be raised to get this fantastic proud club back off its knees again. We all love following the Blues. We go through life feeling frustrated, happy, annoyed, delirious, cheesed off, passionate, fed up, nervous .. The list goes on but we all come back for more because we are Chester fans simple as that, we all bleed blue and white. So it's up to us as fans and guardians, to do what's best for our club. We're all supporters, so let's go the extra mile and support it right now. It doesn't take a genius to see that attendances are the main reason for lack of income at the club. Players are being offloaded as we don't have the money to keep them on. Who wants to give in, not bother any more, and just say call it quits? If you fall in that category, then what was the point of doing what we did 8 years ago? Remember how it felt when the fans rallied together. We changed things for the better, everyone enjoyed the experience so so much. We can help the club, so the challenge is how can you raise money for your club? Sorry for the war and peace email, but that's clearly where we are right now. Ask yourself, what's the alternative? For me it doesn't bear thinking about. Thursday night's CFU meeting at the club is a chance for the board to tell everyone how it is right now, be as transparent as possible and have a clear idea of what we need to do to put things right. We need to leave that meeting with more actions than words.. Jeff Why don’t you sell one of your works of art and donate the money to the club? Always thought you were from Bristol, good to have you onboard Banksy! Not the time or place for this sort of levity!
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 24, 2018 16:35:51 GMT
As usual, a perfectly reasonable request from OP for ideas on raising money, 11 replies all going over the same old, same old not one single suggestion!! There may be suggestions which are more medium term which, if rumours turn out to be true, may be too late. I am sure that we can start now with "quick wins" to start the money coming in. A quick win would be to go over posts over the last couple of days where it is claimed posters have approached the club with offers of help, contact them and get the ball rolling eg Blacon Blues re sponsorship of Gary Roberts. Bin Bignots fund as he splits the fan base which will deter some and start a "Staying Alive" fund Use Senior Blues expertise to see if they can help I think you have missed the point of most posters, nobody is disagreeing with Jeffs comments.
But it is no good looking for ideas to fill the bath with water, if someone keeps pulling the plug out.
That's the starting point, we can argue all we like later on how many buckets we all need.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 24, 2018 16:43:07 GMT
As usual, a perfectly reasonable request from OP for ideas on raising money, 11 replies all going over the same old, same old not one single suggestion!! There may be suggestions which are more medium term which, if rumours turn out to be true, may be too late. I am sure that we can start now with "quick wins" to start the money coming in. A quick win would be to go over posts over the last couple of days where it is claimed posters have approached the club with offers of help, contact them and get the ball rolling eg Blacon Blues re sponsorship of Gary Roberts. Bin Bignots fund as he splits the fan base which will deter some and start a "Staying Alive" fund Use Senior Blues expertise to see if they can help I think you have missed the point of most posters, nobody is disagreeing with Jeffs comments.
But it is no good looking for ideas to fill the bath with water, if someone keeps pulling the plug out.
That's the starting point, we can argue all we like later on how many buckets we all need.
Yes your right but not Jeffs post which quite clearly states "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?"
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Post by bing on Jan 24, 2018 16:44:10 GMT
As usual, a perfectly reasonable request from OP for ideas on raising money, 11 replies all going over the same old, same old not one single suggestion!! There may be suggestions which are more medium term which, if rumours turn out to be true, may be too late. I am sure that we can start now with "quick wins" to start the money coming in. A quick win would be to go over posts over the last couple of days where it is claimed posters have approached the club with offers of help, contact them and get the ball rolling eg Blacon Blues re sponsorship of Gary Roberts. Bin Bignots fund as he splits the fan base which will deter some and start a "Staying Alive" fund Use Senior Blues expertise to see if they can help I think you have missed the point of most posters, nobody is disagreeing with Jeffs comments.
But it is no good looking for ideas to fill the bath with water, if someone keeps pulling the plug out.
That's the starting point, we can argue all we like later on how many buckets we all need.
Impressive metaphor! P.s I'm happy to hold a bucket
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 24, 2018 16:53:33 GMT
I think you have missed the point of most posters, nobody is disagreeing with Jeffs comments.
But it is no good looking for ideas to fill the bath with water, if someone keeps pulling the plug out.
That's the starting point, we can argue all we like later on how many buckets we all need.
Yes your right but not Jeffs post which quite clearly states "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?" Ok I will bite, "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?" Stop pissing it away first
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 24, 2018 16:55:10 GMT
Thursday night's CFU meeting at the club is a chance for the board to tell everyone how it is right now, be as transparent as possible and have a clear idea of what we need to do to put things right. Why do you think the Board will suddenly have these bright ideas, and why have they sat on them and kept quiet until we are in the shit? Are the Board part of the problem or the solution in your eyes?
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Post by everhopeful on Jan 24, 2018 16:57:59 GMT
Yes your right but not Jeffs post which quite clearly states "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?" Ok I will bite, "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?" Stop pissing it away first
And as a moderator, you deem it OK to swear on page that young kids can read??
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 24, 2018 17:05:35 GMT
Ok I will bite, "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?" Stop pissing it away first
And as a moderator, you deem it OK to swear on page that young kids can read?? If they are allowed on the internet unsupervised then seeing the word 'pissing' would be right down the list of bad stuff they could see. I blame the parents.
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Post by blaconblues on Jan 24, 2018 17:32:51 GMT
My suggestion would be for the board/working groups to go and have a think on how the fans can promote the club to businesses within the city and further afield. Play on the club's ambition to go back to its roots of community based ethos with the help of the City.
Perhaps a poster/invitation to businesses with information on what they would get for their contribution (annually renewable) as well as contact details that could be shared by the fan base on all social media platforms. Give several pricing options 'gold', 'silver', 'bronze' if you like.
The same poster could be given to the Chronicle (if there's a cost involved work around it based on the community feel coming back/help) and our more well known fans - Owen, Legard, Murray etc to share on their personal profiles (if they wished to do so). Perhaps a crowd funding appeal.
By the way Gary's sponsorship is now sorted thanks to an email from the club yesterday. Did enquire about Tom's as well but informed that's been taken. Maybe next season! Great stuff, keep it going now.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 24, 2018 17:46:45 GMT
My suggestion would be for the board/working groups to go and have a think on how the fans can promote the club to businesses within the city and further afield. Play on the club's ambition to go back to its roots of community based ethos with the help of the City. Perhaps a poster/invitation to businesses with information on what they would get for their contribution (annually renewable) as well as contact details that could be shared by the fan base on all social media platforms. Give several pricing options 'gold', 'silver', 'bronze' if you like. The same poster could be given to the Chronicle (if there's a cost involved work around it based on the community feel coming back/help) and our more well known fans - Owen, Legard, Murray etc to share on their personal profiles (if they wished to do so). Perhaps a crowd funding appeal. By the way Gary's sponsorship is now sorted thanks to an email from the club yesterday. Did enquire about Tom's as well but informed that's been taken. Maybe next season! Great stuff, keep it going now. Who sorted the sponsorship for you, out of interest?
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Post by inthestand on Jan 24, 2018 17:57:38 GMT
wish we had given Neil Young a little longer to try and put things on an even keel...i think we now might have been in a better place...we can have a go at the board all day long, and for sure they have been pretty poor...but not enough fans are turning up at the gates(1400 last night),revenue has dwindled because of it, and now we are in the doo doo , fund raising events are all well and good but only prolong the inevitable as they serve the purpose of merely plugging up a few holes ,...for a small fan owned club..we need gates of at very least 3.5 to 4 thousand every home game just to keep our heads above water and stay in this league...and that im afraid with all the good intent in the world...it ain't going to happen....the only way this fan owned club can survive at this level is for more people to turn up at the ground....
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Post by gezzer on Jan 24, 2018 18:15:52 GMT
wish we had given Neil Young a little longer to try and put things on an even keel...i think we now might have been in a better place...we can have a go at the board all day long, and for sure they have been pretty poor...but not enough fans are turning up at the gates(1400 last night),revenue has dwindled because of it, and now we are in the doo doo , fund raising events are all well and good but only prolong the inevitable as they serve the purpose of merely plugging up a few holes ,...for a small fan owned club..we need gates of at very least 3.5 to 4 thousand every home game just to keep our heads above water and stay in this league...and that im afraid with all the good intent in the world...it ain't going to happen....the only way this fan owned club can survive at this level is for more people to turn up at the ground.... And sustainable off field revenue streams. Someone on here said that one of our rivals earn circa £350k a year from their 3or 4G pitch. Pretty much pie in the sky for the time being though.
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Post by blaconblues on Jan 24, 2018 18:31:20 GMT
My suggestion would be for the board/working groups to go and have a think on how the fans can promote the club to businesses within the city and further afield. Play on the club's ambition to go back to its roots of community based ethos with the help of the City. Perhaps a poster/invitation to businesses with information on what they would get for their contribution (annually renewable) as well as contact details that could be shared by the fan base on all social media platforms. Give several pricing options 'gold', 'silver', 'bronze' if you like. The same poster could be given to the Chronicle (if there's a cost involved work around it based on the community feel coming back/help) and our more well known fans - Owen, Legard, Murray etc to share on their personal profiles (if they wished to do so). Perhaps a crowd funding appeal. By the way Gary's sponsorship is now sorted thanks to an email from the club yesterday. Did enquire about Tom's as well but informed that's been taken. Maybe next season! Great stuff, keep it going now. Who sorted the sponsorship for you, out of interest? Fella called Albert - quick and fast communication. Even managed to up sell his away sponsorship 😁
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Jan 24, 2018 20:06:49 GMT
Whatever we’ve lost due tho this awfully incompetent board. They should be replacing it between them. MB seemed to give the impression that players will give their all for the club, hinting that they willl continue to do this without a salary? Or that’s how it seems. Be pleasantly surprised to hear that we are anything other than skint
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 24, 2018 20:21:57 GMT
Have the club considered selling dodgy, duty free tobacco under the counter from the catering stalls?
You can sell 20 fags for £6 and make over 50% profit on that. They'd fly out.
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Post by rjshbdhmtrm on Jan 24, 2018 20:54:51 GMT
CE . . . there’s a corner shop in Red Deer, Alberta that does that type of thing!
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Post by johny9 on Jan 24, 2018 21:26:33 GMT
Win games of football is the quickest way to get the feel good factor back and bums on seats I know it’s easy to say but if there was some sort of donation appeal that gets the support from dee 106, chronicle and from the club on social media that is hammered constantly and well run if 1000 people donated £10 it would be 10k that would surely allow us to sign 2/3 players to improve us and give us a better chance . I know it’s a lot easier said than done and with the recent failure of bignots budget it might not sound appealing to some but surely it’s the quickest and easiest way to try something short term ?
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 24, 2018 21:39:53 GMT
I am personally of the opinion that fundraising for the playing budget is dead in the water with our fanbase and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.
However, having a properly marketed and targeted fundraising initiative under the guise of something like a Community Share Scheme in which the amount raised is ring-fenced for infrastructural spending only (e.g. disabled viewing, 3G training facility) could, I think, raise a significant amount of money. It would help to prepare the football club for the long-term, give credibility to us being a sustainable community-owned business and I am sure it would receive significant buy in not only from the fans, but from the wider business community.
I would actually go further than that and suggest that a certain percentage of the football club's income (say 5 or 10%) should be completely ring-fenced for long term infrastructure spending.
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Post by Blockhead on Jan 24, 2018 21:51:32 GMT
I am personally of the opinion that fundraising for the playing budget is dead in the water with our fanbase and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. However, having a properly marketed and targeted fundraising initiative under the guise of something like a Community Share Scheme in which the amount raised is ring-fenced for infrastructural spending only (e.g. disabled viewing, 3G training facility) could, I think, raise a significant amount of money. It would help to prepare the football club for the long-term, give credibility to us being a sustainable community-owned business and I am sure it would receive significant buy in not only from the fans, but from the wider business community. I would actually go further than that and suggest that a certain percentage of the football club's income (say 5 or 10%) should be completely ring-fenced for long term infrastructure spending. Might prove rather difficult when our income is negative.
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Post by sixnil on Jan 24, 2018 22:05:24 GMT
I posted this on another thread but it was meant to be in response to Banksy's post - so hear it is again:
Perhaps this has been aired before, in which case, apologies.... but have we tried the debenture idea. If it worked out it could raise £100,000 with a cost to the club of (say) £5000 per year or less.
Simply put - 1000 of us who have £100 to risk in return for 5% interest give that £100 as a form of loan with an interest rate of 5% fixed. Better than 0.5 - 1.5% that most savers are getting. The debenture we would be buying would entitle us to interest and maybe a few perks - e.g. second dibs at a ticket (after season ticket holders) when we finally meet someone in the third round of the cup (home or away). I'm sure there can be other perks if we put our minds to it - 10% off club shop items, etc.
In theory the money is refundable at the end of a fixed term but in practice we would all know we might not get it back.....but if we do keep solvent we would always get our 5% per year. Up to us to take or refuse the interest.
Just an idea and one that needs proper accountant or company secretary knowledge to put into practice but worth a go?
Maybe 1001 of us - "1001 Foundations" as in foundations on which club is built.
As I said apologies if this has been aired and rejected before - bit I'm trying to respond to Banksy's idea and this is my tuppence-worth.
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Post by sixnil on Jan 24, 2018 22:20:41 GMT
I posted this on another thread but it was meant to be in response to Banksy's post - so hear it is again: Perhaps this has been aired before, in which case, apologies.... but have we tried the debenture idea. If it worked out it could raise £100,000 with a cost to the club of (say) £5000 per year or less. Simply put - 1000 of us who have £100 to risk in return for 5% interest give that £100 as a form of loan with an interest rate of 5% fixed. Better than 0.5 - 1.5% that most savers are getting. The debenture we would be buying would entitle us to interest and maybe a few perks - e.g. second dibs at a ticket (after season ticket holders) when we finally meet someone in the third round of the cup (home or away). I'm sure there can be other perks if we put our minds to it - 10% off club shop items, etc. In theory the money is refundable at the end of a fixed term but in practice we would all know we might not get it back.....but if we do keep solvent we would always get our 5% per year. Up to us to take or refuse the interest. Just an idea and one that needs proper accountant or company secretary knowledge to put into practice but worth a go? Maybe 1001 of us - "1001 Foundations" as in foundations on which club is built. As I said apologies if this has been aired and rejected before - bit I'm trying to respond to Banksy's idea and this is my tuppence-worth. ....and here is Deva Chanter's reply that identifies Bath City's model as one we could follow. They even have Roman soldier ranks that we could copy to reflect the different levels of investment "It can be done under the remit of a Community Share Scheme. A couple of clubs have used them successfully in the past - Bath City used one to fund their fan takeover and I believe FCUM have also done one which raised a significant amount of money. This has been looked at by two different directors over the last couple of years, one of whom resigned and the other who wasn't re-elected. So some preliminary work has been done, but its quite a complex initiative that requires a lot of work and marketing. As far as I know, the current board haven't looked into it any further since."
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 25, 2018 7:31:06 GMT
Ok I will bite, "If the club needs money...What is your suggestion?" Stop pissing it away first
And as a moderator, you deem it OK to swear on page that young kids can read?? Apologies if it offended you, but it was quite an emotional day.
You are quite correct in young children being easily influenced by a poor choice of language
Would you like me to remove this post you yourself made in reply to someone questioning Ryan Astles weight?
What a nasty snide *unt you are. F off back under your slimy stone. See how much you like people making comments about you.
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Post by Al on Jan 25, 2018 7:40:51 GMT
And as a moderator, you deem it OK to swear on page that young kids can read?? Apologies if it offended you, but it was quite an emotional day.
You are quite correct in young children being easily influenced by a poor choice of language
Would you like me to remove this post you yourself made in reply to someone questioning Ryan Astles weight?
What a nasty snide *unt you are. F off back under your slimy stone. See how much you like people making comments about you.
*Drops the mic
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Post by Imperial on Jan 25, 2018 9:59:50 GMT
I’d also add that it’s a football forum, swearing comes with the territory.
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Post by richard on Jan 25, 2018 10:05:11 GMT
I’d also add that it’s a football forum, swearing comes with the territory. It most certainly does not. Swearing on a forum that is visited by children is never acceptable.
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Post by Imperial on Jan 25, 2018 10:26:50 GMT
I’d also add that it’s a football forum, swearing comes with the territory. It most certainly does not. Swearing on a forum that is visited by children is never acceptable. Grow up. I take my six & seven year old children to the football, they hear swearing. It’s part of the game. It’s not up to you to tell other people what they can & can’t say.
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Post by jb on Jan 25, 2018 10:45:17 GMT
wish we had given Neil Young a little longer to try and put things on an even keel...i think we now might have been in a better place...we can have a go at the board all day long, and for sure they have been pretty poor...but not enough fans are turning up at the gates(1400 last night),revenue has dwindled because of it, and now we are in the doo doo , fund raising events are all well and good but only prolong the inevitable as they serve the purpose of merely plugging up a few holes ,...for a small fan owned club..we need gates of at very least 3.5 to 4 thousand every home game just to keep our heads above water and stay in this league...and that im afraid with all the good intent in the world...it ain't going to happen....the only way this fan owned club can survive at this level is for more people to turn up at the ground.... Nail on head. Ever since Burr and McCarthy darkened the doors of the Deva it has gone downhill. Burr never grasped the Fan owned model and him and his sidekick have been part of this road to hell. The board should have issued a plea in recent weeks for support through the gates instead of burying their heads in the sand.
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