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Post by MPW on Apr 18, 2019 8:58:13 GMT
The Managers said last night that they are just waiting for the go ahead with the buget so we will know if we are able to adopt the Hybrid model , I think they said if we get the go ahead they would be taking up to ten youth players into the squad with the 6 or 7 retained and new players they bring in. I think I got that bit right they are very keen to work with the young lads full time. I’d have thought that we’d have to agree our budget and training regime in the next few days as our season finishes a week on Saturday! Great to hear that we are planning to keep on a lot of the youth players, but the lack of reserve football might be a problem.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 18, 2019 19:00:31 GMT
Bear in mind they could only sign players that didn't already have a club for this season. It may be that we signed choices 4 , 5 and 6. Rather than choices 1,2 and 3. In fact Bern basically said as much.
Given the fact that we had a limited budget, limited further by the money wrapped up in Hannah and James. In that situation it was understandable to sign players you know. They have done well for them in the past. You know their contract requirements. Importantly as Bluemission pointed out, they had won this league last season.
I would expect signings to come from more varied sources this time around.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 18, 2019 20:26:50 GMT
Bear in mind they could only sign players that didn't already have a club for this season. It may be that we signed choices 4 , 5 and 6. Rather than choices 1,2 and 3. In fact Bern basically said as much. Given the fact that we had a limited budget, limited further by the money wrapped up in Hannah and James. In that situation it was understandable to sign players you know. They have done well for them in the past. You know their contract requirements. Importantly as Bluemission pointed out, they had won this league last season. I would expect signings to come from more varied sources this time around. Nail on head Harry.
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Post by agl on Apr 18, 2019 21:07:45 GMT
Bear in mind they could only sign players that didn't already have a club for this season. It may be that we signed choices 4 , 5 and 6. Rather than choices 1,2 and 3. In fact Bern basically said as much. Given the fact that we had a limited budget, limited further by the money wrapped up in Hannah and James. In that situation it was understandable to sign players you know. They have done well for them in the past. You know their contract requirements. Importantly as Bluemission pointed out, they had won this league last season. I would expect signings to come from more varied sources this time around. Will the budget be lower or higher next season given we no longer have to pay off those wasters, but also have a lower break even attendance?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 18, 2019 21:55:24 GMT
Bear in mind they could only sign players that didn't already have a club for this season. It may be that we signed choices 4 , 5 and 6. Rather than choices 1,2 and 3. In fact Bern basically said as much. Given the fact that we had a limited budget, limited further by the money wrapped up in Hannah and James. In that situation it was understandable to sign players you know. They have done well for them in the past. You know their contract requirements. Importantly as Bluemission pointed out, they had won this league last season. I would expect signings to come from more varied sources this time around. Will the budget be lower or higher next season given we no longer have to pay off those wasters, but also have a lower break even attendance? Would those two polars not just cancel each other out? Ergo, similar budget this summer.
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Post by agl on Apr 18, 2019 22:04:52 GMT
Depends how much we were paying Hannah, Turnbull and James, I guess?
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 19, 2019 6:50:14 GMT
Will the budget be lower or higher next season given we no longer have to pay off those wasters, but also have a lower break even attendance? Would those two polars not just cancel each other out? Ergo, similar budget this summer. I think Stuart Murphy helped with the pay off of the outgoing players in the end. Otherwise the budget would have been so restrictive. However, until that was sorted we had that restrictive budget. May be that was why we brought in Smalley(s), Pritchard and a couple of others. I'd think we'd need to budget for a slightly smaller crowd this season. May be SM will help again.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 19, 2019 7:03:10 GMT
The Managers said last night that they are just waiting for the go ahead with the buget so we will know if we are able to adopt the Hybrid model , I think they said if we get the go ahead they would be taking up to ten youth players into the squad with the 6 or 7 retained and new players they bring in. I think I got that bit right they are very keen to work with the young lads full time. This is probably the way to go, but sign young playets who have pace or physicality. Bring the age profile of the team down. Younger players with pace and physicality would be ideally what we're after. Likely so is everybody else. Also by younger players I wouldn't expect teenagers. How many teenagers have we seen playing against us this season or last season? Hardly any. Probably count them on one hand. We are playing in a physical mans league. We could play one or two teenagers in some games , but not others . They would need to come in for a couple of games, then out again. When they have a run of games their form dips. Confidence goes, and it takes a while for it to come back. I'm not sure how we balance bringing through the kids, and trying to win the league. However good our Youth team is, and it is really good, they wouldn't stand a chance collectively in this league. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be in a few years time. Just that we don't have the money to wait. I'd expect at least half of those kept on to be loaned out.
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Post by billyw on Apr 19, 2019 7:13:39 GMT
This is probably the way to go, but sign young playets who have pace or physicality. Bring the age profile of the team down. Younger players with pace and physicality would be ideally what we're after. Likely so is everybody else. Also by younger players I wouldn't expect teenagers. How many teenagers have we seen playing against us this season or last season? Hardly any. Probably count them on one hand. We are playing in a physical mans league. We could play one or two teenagers in some games , but not others . They would need to come in for a couple of games, then out again. When they have a run of games their form dips. Confidence goes, and it takes a while for it to come back. I'm not sure how we balance bringing through the kids, and trying to win the league. However good our Youth team is, and it is really good, they wouldn't stand a chance collectively in this league. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be in a few years time. Just that we don't have the money to wait. I'd expect at least half of those kept on to be loaned out. Spot on. There is a world of difference between playing in a youth game and playing against seasoned hard men in this league.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 19, 2019 7:29:30 GMT
Younger players with pace and physicality would be ideally what we're after. Likely so is everybody else. Also by younger players I wouldn't expect teenagers. How many teenagers have we seen playing against us this season or last season? Hardly any. Probably count them on one hand. We are playing in a physical mans league. We could play one or two teenagers in some games , but not others . They would need to come in for a couple of games, then out again. When they have a run of games their form dips. Confidence goes, and it takes a while for it to come back. I'm not sure how we balance bringing through the kids, and trying to win the league. However good our Youth team is, and it is really good, they wouldn't stand a chance collectively in this league. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be in a few years time. Just that we don't have the money to wait. I'd expect at least half of those kept on to be loaned out. Spot on. There is a world of difference between playing in a youth game and playing against seasoned hard men in this league. Interestingly, Bern said at the Squadbuilder evening that the Youth team and First team played a 70 minute match at training the other week. The First team won 8-0. People need to get a sense of realism.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:26:47 GMT
Spot on. There is a world of difference between playing in a youth game and playing against seasoned hard men in this league. Interestingly, Bern said at the Squadbuilder evening that the Youth team and First team played a 70 minute match at training the other week. The First team won 8-0. People need to get a sense of realism. Been banging the drum for years that we need a stepping stone for the graduates. An u21 or reserve side. If we dont we will continue to lose these lads. Matty Waters has shown patience for development is a virtue with them.
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Post by jb on Apr 19, 2019 9:53:42 GMT
Matt Rhead won’t be staying at Lincoln Hopefully Stu can sort a deal like with Asante Ah it’s that time of year in which the likes of Gareth from Ruabon and Dean from Wrexham power up their mobile phones financed by Brighthouse and take to Twitter and say “Announce Rhead #wfc”, “”we sign Rhead and we smash the Conference”.
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Post by billyw on Apr 19, 2019 13:48:41 GMT
Spot on. There is a world of difference between playing in a youth game and playing against seasoned hard men in this league. Interestingly, Bern said at the Squadbuilder evening that the Youth team and First team played a 70 minute match at training the other week. The First team won 8-0. People need to get a sense of realism. Exactly. It's a lovely dream to have a team of home grown kids able to compete in this league but it ain't going to happen. To get a couple coming through the ranks each year is an achievement in itself.
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Post by norwegianblue on Apr 19, 2019 14:23:06 GMT
The Managers said last night that they are just waiting for the go ahead with the buget so we will know if we are able to adopt the Hybrid model , I think they said if we get the go ahead they would be taking up to ten youth players into the squad with the 6 or 7 retained and new players they bring in. I think I got that bit right they are very keen to work with the young lads full time. It’s not the first time they’ve said that and I’ll believe it when it happens. Why not give the lads a chance until the end of the season? After all, the season is pretty much over now.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Apr 19, 2019 16:24:55 GMT
The Managers said last night that they are just waiting for the go ahead with the buget so we will know if we are able to adopt the Hybrid model , I think they said if we get the go ahead they would be taking up to ten youth players into the squad with the 6 or 7 retained and new players they bring in. I think I got that bit right they are very keen to work with the young lads full time. It’s not the first time they’ve said that and I’ll believe it when it happens. Why not give the lads a chance until the end of the season? After all, the season is pretty much over now. No its not !
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 19, 2019 18:46:45 GMT
Interestingly, Bern said at the Squadbuilder evening that the Youth team and First team played a 70 minute match at training the other week. The First team won 8-0. People need to get a sense of realism. Been banging the drum for years that we need a stepping stone for the graduates. An u21 or reserve side. If we dont we will continue to lose these lads. Matty Waters has shown patience for development is a virtue with them. You have, and you're correct that we need a stepping stone. Problem is, it's taken Matty 3 years to come through. And look how good he looked as a Youth player . Maybe it's better to give them contracts, have them train with the team, but loan them out to Evostik or NW Counties sides long term. Like we have with Downes. Keeping a squad of 18 together, just for the 2 or 3 to eventually come through, surely isn't viable. My concern is that we don't have the money to get the first team where we want it to be. Any funds diverted from the first team to a reserve team puts us at risk. Results aren't good. Crowds drop off. Budget isn't met, and we're back in the mire . Without the first team we have no club. No Community team, no Youth team. I don't know the answer. We're all waiting for the SM plans and money to come through. It's been a year now, and still no news. May be that will give us the buffer we need . Not holding my breath though . Maybe the new Hub will give us the boost. I'd expect it to help with youth recruitment and retention. Not sure what else it provides except a place to train during the day, and reduced costs. Assuming we go Hybrid model, we would train Monday and Wednesday mornings and Tuesday and Thursday evenings, according to Bern. We would only sign players who could make all training. That will limit available players. My concern is we fall between two stools. Have to play young players too often, too early. Not sign the strong pacey physical players to improve team, and support the odd youngster playing. Our managers have put the kids in far more than I expected. In fact , I believe they've actually left them in too long at times. Murray and Noble probably should have been taken out quicker than they were, and then brought back in later. I haven't seen many young players in many of the opposing sides this season.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 19, 2019 19:28:35 GMT
Been banging the drum for years that we need a stepping stone for the graduates. An u21 or reserve side. If we dont we will continue to lose these lads. Matty Waters has shown patience for development is a virtue with them. You have, and you're correct that we need a stepping stone. Problem is, it's taken Matty 3 years to come through. And look how good he looked as a Youth player . Maybe it's better to give them contracts, have them train with the team, but loan them out to Evostik or NW Counties sides long term. Like we have with Downes. Keeping a squad of 18 together, just for the 2 or 3 to eventually come through, surely isn't viable. My concern is that we don't have the money to get the first team where we want it to be. Any funds diverted from the first team to a reserve team puts us at risk. Results aren't good. Crowds drop off. Budget isn't met, and we're back in the mire . Without the first team we have no club. No Community team, no Youth team. I don't know the answer. We're all waiting for the SM plans and money to come through. It's been a year now, and still no news. May be that will give us the buffer we need . Not holding my breath though . Maybe the new Hub will give us the boost. I'd expect it to help with youth recruitment and retention. Not sure what else it provides except a place to train during the day, and reduced costs. Assuming we go Hybrid model, we would train Monday and Wednesday mornings and Tuesday and Thursday evenings, according to Bern. We would only sign players who could make all training. That will limit available players. My concern is we fall between two stools. Have to play young players too often, too early. Not sign the strong pacey physical players to improve team, and support the odd youngster playing. Our managers have put the kids in far more than I expected. In fact , I believe they've actually left them in too long at times. Murray and Noble probably should have been taken out quicker than they were, and then brought back in later. I haven't seen many young players in many of the opposing sides this season. I do think that retaining so many of the youth players would mean us having a fair few of them out on loan but due to the fact that the teams they would join would be part time means they could still train with us twice a week, win win.
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Post by Matt on Apr 23, 2019 10:50:59 GMT
Jordan Hulme being linked with Southport and they're also after that big guy McNulty. Imagine him and Astle as a pairing.
Hulme will be offered ridiculous money for this level with a Club who average 800.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Apr 23, 2019 11:47:13 GMT
Jordan Hulme being linked with Southport and they're also after that big guy McNulty. Imagine him and Astle as a pairing. Hulme will be offered ridiculous money for this level with a Club who average 800. If we signed them pair I’d be confident we would win the league comfortably.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 23, 2019 12:17:08 GMT
Jordan Hulme being linked with Southport and they're also after that big guy McNulty. Imagine him and Astle as a pairing. Hulme will be offered ridiculous money for this level with a Club who average 800. If we signed them pair I’d be confident we would win the league comfortably. I think it will need more than those two to make us competitive.
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Post by bluejay on Apr 23, 2019 14:33:53 GMT
Apparently was gonna sign for us in December until someone in blues bar after alty game started giving him and his family shit Believe it was all verbally agreed that he was coming before this happened in the Blues Bar, another great example of how occasion our support don’t help ourselves at times , some of the stuff on Twitter etc is embarrassing Not sure. I don't think the lad who was giving his missus a load of verbals in the bar was a Chester fan. I'd never seen him before and haven't seen him since. It was all a storm in a teacup and I can't see a player refusing to join because there happened to be a dickhead in the bar. If he did change his mind it probably had more to do with how much better Alty were.
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Post by muffinthemule on Apr 23, 2019 15:41:12 GMT
Jordan Hulme being linked with Southport and they're also after that big guy McNulty. Imagine him and Astle as a pairing. Hulme will be offered ridiculous money for this level with a Club who average 800. If we signed them pair I’d be confident we would win the league comfortably.
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Post by muffinthemule on Apr 23, 2019 15:42:34 GMT
Said all season that McNulty was the man for is at this level he'd be outstanding. And what's more, the captain we so badly need
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Post by agl on Apr 23, 2019 16:25:08 GMT
No thanks.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 23, 2019 16:41:53 GMT
Interestingly, Bern said at the Squadbuilder evening that the Youth team and First team played a 70 minute match at training the other week. The First team won 8-0. People need to get a sense of realism. Been banging the drum for years that we need a stepping stone for the graduates. An u21 or reserve side. If we dont we will continue to lose these lads. Matty Waters has shown patience for development is a virtue with them. Also been banging on about a reserve side. King's Lynn Town who play at Step 3 have a reserve side playing in the Thurlow Nunn League which is Step 5 methinks. There average attendance is 700. It can't be that expensive to run a reserve side. Altrincham reserves play in the Cheshire League.
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Post by RonD on Apr 23, 2019 18:20:24 GMT
Jason Oswell not getting a look-in down the road. Might we have a dart at him? Hybrid thing may suit with him being a qualified physio.
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Post by jb on Apr 23, 2019 20:52:40 GMT
Said all season that McNulty was the man for is at this level he'd be outstanding. And what's more, the captain we so badly need A pacy forward running at him and he’s gone. Alabi destroyed him at Prenton Park in the 2 - 2 running at pace against him. Really hope that Southport get him as it would be more of their expansive budget wasted. Him and Astles together would be the slowest pairing in the league. Go on Macca you know you want to...
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 23, 2019 21:18:47 GMT
Said all season that McNulty was the man for is at this level he'd be outstanding. And what's more, the captain we so badly need A pacy forward running at him and he’s gone. Alabi destroyed him at Prenton Park in the 2 - 2 running at pace against him. Really hope that Southport get him as it would be more of their expansive budget wasted. Him and Astles together would be the slowest pairing in the league. Go on Macca you know you want to... Think we’ve all come to the conclusion our centre half’s are too old and slow. McNulty is literally the definition of old and slow. Big no from me.
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Post by cfc11 on Apr 23, 2019 22:24:05 GMT
Pearson may fancy a change of scenery and move over the border....
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Post by Imperial on Apr 24, 2019 2:23:34 GMT
Pearson may fancy a change of scenery and move over the border.... He’d never come. They wouldn’t let him go. We wouldn’t sign him.
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