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Post by Gandalf on Jul 24, 2019 18:36:12 GMT
Approaching Hugh would be a great idea, Ive heard a rumour that someone in his family (either his father or grandfather) once asked t o change the club's colours to match the family crest for investment. Because the club said no he refused to ever invest in the club. Times have changed though and Hugh's a young guy with a lot of money and property development knowledge so could potentially help in different ways. I'm afraid this has been proved to be a myth. I remember as a young boy my father telling me about this, but it was just a bit of tittle tattle that became FACT (I think this has been subject of a thread on old Deva Chat). Thought that may be the case, even more reason for the club to make an approach
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Post by henry on Jul 24, 2019 18:44:12 GMT
Gerald Grosvenor made a generous contribution, when the main stand, at the old Sealand Rd ground, was built. In addition. the Dukes agent rented the club a field on Wrexham Road for the junior teams and training for £500 /year. Which the Club failed to pay!!! [
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Post by Churton Blue on Jul 24, 2019 19:00:25 GMT
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Post by stangandy on Jul 24, 2019 19:50:55 GMT
The then Duke donated a flight in his private jet to the ISA Auction of Promises (despite the Club behaving really poorly as evidenced above).
The Grosvenor Trust will certainly be on our list to approach (if we fulfil the criteria that they have to consider support - I haven't checked). If memory serves me right the Duke's representative was on the panel who granted us the lease of the ground so we are heading in the right direction.
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Post by silverblue on Jul 24, 2019 21:13:25 GMT
the football club must have taken a fair bit out of it, it shows how much a home game costs to put on Take at turnstiles, less 20% vat, less cost of officials, less stewards costs, less cost of players food. That's it nothing else was taken out. It is probable the only money we made on pre season games and we gave it all away.
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Post by jimgreen on Jul 24, 2019 21:36:04 GMT
I've just returned some of my raffle tickets. I bought £10 worth and returned the rest. I still feel uneasy that we are being asked to raise this sum of money. Are the people of Blacon doing their bit as they will benefit most from this project. They recently held their most successful Bacon Festival ever. Did any of the profits from this find their way into the KGV Fund? 30 years ago when I was a volunteer for the Blacon Project it was a well known fact the then Duke of Westminster was a generous contributor to the BP. I'm sure the current DofW would make a contribution if approached. Thank you for supporting the raffle Hannibal. The Blacon Festival is a free community event organised by Avenue Services and local community groups. My understanding is that the event costs a fair amount to put in and certainly doesn’t generate much in the way of profits. We would have been there had it not clashes with the Wigan game. We did write to the Duke shortly after gaining charitable status and received a very courteous reply wishing us well. The Westminster Foundation is one of a number of grant making organisations we will be exploring. I accept £300k is a lot of money but to reiterate we are not expecting to raise this solely through fundraising. There are commercial opportunities at the sports hub we need to maximise and we hope to secure further grant aid towards the scheme. This is a £1.6m project and we have the opportunity to access circa £1.1m in extendable funding (which is not available to the club) and Stuart Murphy has generously pledged £200k which leaves £300k to realise our ambitions for the site. It will be a fantastic asset which the Community Trust will manage and operate on an initial 25 year lease at a very affordable rent and one with the potential to generate significant income, deliver savings on current facilities spend and remove many of the logistical challenges we face as a club (that is from first team level down).
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Post by stangandy on Jul 25, 2019 8:26:32 GMT
Gave it all away to a vital Chester FC Community Trust project that will directly benefit the Club and the Community.
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Post by CH3STER on Jul 25, 2019 9:35:20 GMT
I find it weird that people don’t want this to go through. It’s a must for the club to move forwards
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Post by agl on Jul 25, 2019 11:31:50 GMT
I find it weird that people don’t want this to go through. It’s a must for the club to move forwards I'm not aware of many not wanting it, but there are misgivings that it diverts resources away from the playing budget. I don't think that can be disputed. The Summer raffle, for example, could have been used to boost the managers' budget. Ditto the income from the Wigan friendly. Pretty much everyone can see the benefits and it's commendable that we are for once planning ahead.
I feel torn on this - you say it's a must for the club to move forwards but I'd argue that it's more important to get the club back in the National league. If we drop off the pace this season I dread to think of the impact on the club's future. On the raffle, I didn't try to sell tickets to friends as I can't really expect them to dig into their pockets twice. Bought 25 quid myself (mainly in recognition of the work being done by Stan Gandy and others) but, again, might have felt more comfortable putting the dosh into Squadbuilder. It's a tough one. Best case scenario we get promoted and get the sports hub but, without knowing the figures, I suspect our playing budget is below a few teams. And before anyone comes back with the argument that we weren't "ready" to go up last time that's nonsense. We just bought crap players (and again when Macca pissed away 450k on the likes of Turnbull, Hannah and Kingsley James)
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 25, 2019 11:35:42 GMT
I’d rather we ensured the future sustainability of the football club for generations than spunk cash on a Trundle or a Proudlock to get out of this league right here right now.
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Post by agl on Jul 25, 2019 12:31:50 GMT
I’d rather we ensured the future sustainability of the football club for generations than spunk cash on a Trundle or a Proudlock to get out of this league right here right now. Very worthy but if we don't get out of this league this season, or next, there may not be much of a club worth sustaining.
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Post by billyw on Jul 25, 2019 12:41:22 GMT
I find it weird that people don’t want this to go through. It’s a must for the club to move forwards I'm not aware of many not wanting it, but there are misgivings that it diverts resources away from the playing budget. I don't think that can be disputed. The Summer raffle, for example, could have been used to boost the managers' budget. Ditto the income from the Wigan friendly. Pretty much everyone can see the benefits and it's commendable that we are for once planning ahead.
I feel torn on this - you say it's a must for the club to move forwards but I'd argue that it's more important to get the club back in the National league. If we drop off the pace this season I dread to think of the impact on the club's future. On the raffle, I didn't try to sell tickets to friends as I can't really expect them to dig into their pockets twice. Bought 25 quid myself (mainly in recognition of the work being done by Stan Gandy and others) but, again, might have felt more comfortable putting the dosh into Squadbuilder. It's a tough one. Best case scenario we get promoted and get the sports hub but, without knowing the figures, I suspect our playing budget is below a few teams. And before anyone comes back with the argument that we weren't "ready" to go up last time that's nonsense. We just bought crap players (and again when Macca pissed away 450k on the likes of Turnbull, Hannah and Kingsley James)
Is that the same Turnbull who has just captained a side promoted to the National League and lets face it, most of us were more than happy when we heard of those 3 signings. No point in digging up the past mistakes, we need to look forward and I completely agree with the rest of your post.
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Post by agl on Jul 25, 2019 13:47:04 GMT
I'm not aware of many not wanting it, but there are misgivings that it diverts resources away from the playing budget. I don't think that can be disputed. The Summer raffle, for example, could have been used to boost the managers' budget. Ditto the income from the Wigan friendly. Pretty much everyone can see the benefits and it's commendable that we are for once planning ahead.
I feel torn on this - you say it's a must for the club to move forwards but I'd argue that it's more important to get the club back in the National league. If we drop off the pace this season I dread to think of the impact on the club's future. On the raffle, I didn't try to sell tickets to friends as I can't really expect them to dig into their pockets twice. Bought 25 quid myself (mainly in recognition of the work being done by Stan Gandy and others) but, again, might have felt more comfortable putting the dosh into Squadbuilder. It's a tough one. Best case scenario we get promoted and get the sports hub but, without knowing the figures, I suspect our playing budget is below a few teams. And before anyone comes back with the argument that we weren't "ready" to go up last time that's nonsense. We just bought crap players (and again when Macca pissed away 450k on the likes of Turnbull, Hannah and Kingsley James)
Is that the same Turnbull who has just captained a side promoted to the National League and lets face it, most of us were more than happy when we heard of those 3 signings. No point in digging up the past mistakes, we need to look forward and I completely agree with the rest of your post. Prefer to call it learning from past mistakes!
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Post by bluey7 on Jul 25, 2019 14:31:11 GMT
interesting comments made by members..maybe more of the raised money resources should be put on the team to get out of the lower leagues . maybe we are trying run before for we can walk
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 25, 2019 14:52:36 GMT
interesting comments made by members..maybe more of the raised money resources should be put on the team to get out of the lower leagues . maybe we are trying run before for we can walk Worst post on here for a while. Well done.
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Post by agl on Jul 25, 2019 15:42:18 GMT
interesting comments made by members..maybe more of the raised money resources should be put on the team to get out of the lower leagues . maybe we are trying run before for we can walk Worst post on here for a while. Well done. Care to elaborate or is it just a patronising attempt to get your post count up?
It's a perfectly valid debate, so why belittle someone who has a genuine concern. Worst post...pot and black.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 25, 2019 15:56:02 GMT
Worst post on here for a while. Well done. Care to elaborate or is it just a patronising attempt to get your post count up?
It's a perfectly valid debate, so why belittle someone who has a genuine concern. Worst post...pot and black.
We did what bluey7 says last time we were in the Conference North and we’re still paying for it to this day. Incredible people still think throwing more money into the playing budget is the way to go. That is what has got us back down here and just fighting off liquidation. Again.
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Post by rcb on Jul 25, 2019 16:08:29 GMT
Care to elaborate or is it just a patronising attempt to get your post count up?
It's a perfectly valid debate, so why belittle someone who has a genuine concern. Worst post...pot and black.
We did what bluey7 says last time we were in the Conference North and we’re still paying for it to this day. Incredible people still think throwing more money into the playing budget is the way to go. That is what has got us back down here and just fighting off liquidation. Again. Opinions obviously, but as I see it we are where we are because some idiots got too big for their boots, and magnified their stupidity by giving a ridiculous contract to McCarthy, along with a record budget. I thought we learned from that and wouldn’t go about giving out any more two year contracts. As the saying goes: “Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results.”
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Post by agl on Jul 25, 2019 16:43:38 GMT
Care to elaborate or is it just a patronising attempt to get your post count up?
It's a perfectly valid debate, so why belittle someone who has a genuine concern. Worst post...pot and black.
We did what bluey7 says last time we were in the Conference North and we’re still paying for it to this day. Incredible people still think throwing more money into the playing budget is the way to go. That is what has got us back down here and just fighting off liquidation. Again. Er, no, we didn't. We got promoted and then recruited badly under Neil Young, who had a reasonable budget. As RCB points out the mistakes were then compounded by mismanagement at the playing and board level. It annoys me that there's this myth that we are not ready for national football. Quite the opposite as far as I'm concerned - we can't survive long term in regional football. I'm not saying break the bank, or put ourselves in debt (not sure anyone is), but that we need to be totally focused on promotion. If we muddle around in regional football for much longer we will be playing in front of less than 1,000 fans. Even if we can't win the league there's a huge incentive to finish second or third, in terms of home advantage in the play offs. So, yes, investing in the team is the way forwards. It's naiive to think otherwise.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 25, 2019 17:32:36 GMT
We did what bluey7 says last time we were in the Conference North and we’re still paying for it to this day. Incredible people still think throwing more money into the playing budget is the way to go. That is what has got us back down here and just fighting off liquidation. Again. Er, no, we didn't. We got promoted and then recruited badly under Neil Young, who had a reasonable budget. As RCB points out the mistakes were then compounded by mismanagement at the playing and board level. It annoys me that there's this myth that we are not ready for national football. Quite the opposite as far as I'm concerned - we can't survive long term in regional football. I'm not saying break the bank, or put ourselves in debt (not sure anyone is), but that we need to be totally focused on promotion. If we muddle around in regional football for much longer we will be playing in front of less than 1,000 fans. Even if we can't win the league there's a huge incentive to finish second or third, in terms of home advantage in the play offs. So, yes, investing in the team is the way forwards. It's naiive to think otherwise.
I guess a football club doesn’t almost go bust without there being a culmination of different factors. I think the points touched on in the last few posts are all decent arguments as to why we’re in this position. Anyway, this thread is about the fantastic KGV Hub. Let’s keep it that way. Raffle tickets bought.
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Post by jimgreen on Jul 26, 2019 10:09:03 GMT
If you still need to buy some tickets for the raffle, you can now make a donation online and receive your tickets via email. The suggested minimum donation is £2 for two tickets, but obviously the more you buy, the greater your chances of winning. We have had a good response and returned tickets have been coming back steadily so we hope this will raise another good amount for the campaign. Link here: www.justgiving.com/campaign/kgvgrandsummerraffle
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Post by cfcforme on Jul 26, 2019 13:45:02 GMT
We did what bluey7 says last time we were in the Conference North and we’re still paying for it to this day. Incredible people still think throwing more money into the playing budget is the way to go. That is what has got us back down here and just fighting off liquidation. Again. Er, no, we didn't. We got promoted and then recruited badly under Neil Young, who had a reasonable budget. As RCB points out the mistakes were then compounded by mismanagement at the playing and board level. It annoys me that there's this myth that we are not ready for national football. Quite the opposite as far as I'm concerned - we can't survive long term in regional football. I'm not saying break the bank, or put ourselves in debt (not sure anyone is), but that we need to be totally focused on promotion. If we muddle around in regional football for much longer we will be playing in front of less than 1,000 fans. Even if we can't win the league there's a huge incentive to finish second or third, in terms of home advantage in the play offs. So, yes, investing in the team is the way forwards. It's naiive to think otherwise.
Unfortunately throwing money at the playing budget is no guarantee or a first, second or third place finish. It was you who posted about "learning from our past mistakes" but then appear to want to keep making this one...
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Post by scott on Jul 29, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
Good post - perhaps it would be more beneficial to call it the Duke of Westminster Sports Hub.Why will the people of Blacon benefit the most? The Hub is open for the whole of Chester to use.
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Post by billyw on Jul 29, 2019 20:56:01 GMT
Good post - perhaps it would be more beneficial to call it the Duke of Westminster Sports Hub.Why will the people of Blacon benefit the most? The Hub is open for the whole of Chester to use. Eh. I suggested it be called the Duke of Westminster Sports Hub - Where did I say the people of Blacon will benefit the most?
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Post by agl on Jul 30, 2019 14:46:57 GMT
Er, no, we didn't. We got promoted and then recruited badly under Neil Young, who had a reasonable budget. As RCB points out the mistakes were then compounded by mismanagement at the playing and board level. It annoys me that there's this myth that we are not ready for national football. Quite the opposite as far as I'm concerned - we can't survive long term in regional football. I'm not saying break the bank, or put ourselves in debt (not sure anyone is), but that we need to be totally focused on promotion. If we muddle around in regional football for much longer we will be playing in front of less than 1,000 fans. Even if we can't win the league there's a huge incentive to finish second or third, in terms of home advantage in the play offs. So, yes, investing in the team is the way forwards. It's naiive to think otherwise.
Unfortunately throwing money at the playing budget is no guarantee or a first, second or third place finish. It was you who posted about "learning from our past mistakes" but then appear to want to keep making this one... Throwing is your word not mine. Nowhere do I say we should be cavalier and of course I realise there are no guarantees. However, the reality is that the teams with the biggest playing budgets tend to do best. Not science rocket!
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Post by rcb on Jul 30, 2019 15:37:41 GMT
Unfortunately throwing money at the playing budget is no guarantee or a first, second or third place finish. It was you who posted about "learning from our past mistakes" but then appear to want to keep making this one... Throwing is your word not mine. Nowhere do I say we should be cavalier and of course I realise there are no guarantees. However, the reality is that the teams with the biggest playing budgets tend to do best. Not science rocket!
...unless you give the budget to McCarthy.
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Post by jimgreen on Aug 1, 2019 10:09:33 GMT
The draw for the Grand Summer Raffle takes place tonight. Thank you to everyone who has bought tickets so far - we are on course to raise another good sum for King George V Sports Hub. If you would like to buy some, they will be on sale in the Blues Bar tonight until 8pm or you can make a donation via JustGiving using the link below and receive your tickets on email. www.justgiving.com/campaign/kgvgrandsummerraffleRemember the top prize is £1000, second prize is an iPad and there are lots more fantastic prizes that have been donated by local businesses. Thanks for your support.
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Post by Si on Aug 1, 2019 10:26:07 GMT
The draw for the Grand Summer Raffle takes place tonight. Thank you to everyone who has bought tickets so far - we are on course to raise another good sum for King George V Sports Hub. If you would like to buy some, they will be on sale in the Blues Bar tonight until 8pm or you can make a donation via JustGiving using the link below and receive your tickets on email. www.justgiving.com/campaign/kgvgrandsummerraffleRemember the top prize is £1000, second prize is an iPad and there are lots more fantastic prizes that have been donated by local businesses. Thanks for your support. Hi Jim I did donate a fiver a couple of days ago on the JustGiving page but don't seem to have received an email. Does it matter?
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Post by Gandalf on Aug 1, 2019 11:37:12 GMT
The draw for the Grand Summer Raffle takes place tonight. Thank you to everyone who has bought tickets so far - we are on course to raise another good sum for King George V Sports Hub. If you would like to buy some, they will be on sale in the Blues Bar tonight until 8pm or you can make a donation via JustGiving using the link below and receive your tickets on email. www.justgiving.com/campaign/kgvgrandsummerraffleRemember the top prize is £1000, second prize is an iPad and there are lots more fantastic prizes that have been donated by local businesses. Thanks for your support. Hi Jim I did donate a fiver a couple of days ago on the JustGiving page but don't seem to have received an email. Does it matter? Same with me to, I donated a tenner but never received email tickets
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Aug 1, 2019 12:06:28 GMT
Hi Jim I did donate a fiver a couple of days ago on the JustGiving page but don't seem to have received an email. Does it matter? Same with me to, I donated a tenner but never received email tickets I don’t think you get emailed tickets as such, I think you’re just assigned tickets and if yours are drawn then they’ll email you to let you know that you’ve won.
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