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Post by hackett on Aug 11, 2019 19:15:54 GMT
Can anyone shed any light on why their new 'elite academy' is based in Chester?
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Post by Imperial on Aug 11, 2019 20:24:19 GMT
First I’ve heard of it. Where’ve you heard this?
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Post by CH3STER on Aug 11, 2019 21:14:29 GMT
Criminal this
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 11, 2019 21:28:30 GMT
First I’ve heard of it. Where’ve you heard this? It's right there on the tweet he's attached written by their academy.
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Post by Matt on Aug 11, 2019 21:36:11 GMT
Decent base of players at Chester as we have found out. Good chance we’ll lose countless players over this with Shrewsbury having better resources and funding from the EFL. Disaster.
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Post by hackett on Aug 11, 2019 21:39:05 GMT
King George and promotion are an absoloute must or we might not have an academy in 12 months.
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Post by Imperial on Aug 11, 2019 21:41:21 GMT
First I’ve heard of it. Where’ve you heard this? It's right there on the tweet he's attached written by their academy. Ah I don’t see embedded Twitter links on my phone, if I enable them I end up with those annoying redirect spam ads.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 11, 2019 22:01:48 GMT
How on earth the FA can let this happen is beyond me. It's not even like we're down the road from Shrewsbury it's a good hour drive.
Makes the KGV Hub even more crucial, there's no doubt about it now we need to make it happen.
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Post by Matt on Aug 11, 2019 22:13:08 GMT
How on earth the FA can let this happen is beyond me. It's not even like we're down the road from Shrewsbury it's a good hour drive. Makes the KGV Hub even more crucial, there's no doubt about it now we need to make it happen. Surely the council would have had to approve this as well? To have it so far away based on where the actual Club is, is a joke. Clearly trying to steal the pool of players from this area.
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Post by Matt on Aug 11, 2019 22:38:46 GMT
Reading on Social Media a coach of ours has jumped shipped which is fair enough. Bigger Club, better league, more money etc but to have this now being built just looks like the hard work from Chester’s academy has been discovered and an EFL Club is stealing that away from us.
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Post by uptheseals on Aug 11, 2019 23:14:11 GMT
How on earth the FA can let this happen is beyond me. It's not even like we're down the road from Shrewsbury it's a good hour drive. Makes the KGV Hub even more crucial, there's no doubt about it now we need to make it happen. Surely the council would have had to approve this as well? To have it so far away based on where the actual Club is, is a joke. Clearly trying to steal the pool of players from this area. The council couldn't care less about the club sad reality
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Post by sammychester on Aug 11, 2019 23:27:17 GMT
This is out of order
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Post by Forever Blue on Aug 11, 2019 23:50:38 GMT
As if it is not bad enough having the LFC shop in the city and listening to the tripe advert for it on Dee 106.3 now this sh1t. So far our council and local local MP have helped us and I hope they put a stop to this utter disgrace, get emailing people.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2019 0:04:54 GMT
Suddenly remembered how bloody annoying they were in the mid-'00s now. That Gary Peters tit who managed them, and the cock-for-brains of the same name on Deva Chat.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 12, 2019 5:44:19 GMT
Judging by Twitter it looks like one of the youth/junior coaches has left to go to Shrewsbury (which is fair enough, up to him) but has taken all of his age group players with him and kept his base in Chester.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 7:03:35 GMT
As great as our academy is, it's been coming. There is a ceiling here.
We can't be dining on Sam Hughes and Tom Crawford forever
We should be fielding at least 1 or 2 academy lads, every game, from the start, we are way off that.
Waters/Thomson. Should be regulars. More than capable and both did great last season when the two full backs brought in were found not to be up to it. Having to spend this season behind Taylor and Morgan (who can't get in first XI)
Lloyd Marsh-Hughes. A really good centre forward with bags of potential. Way down pecking order and never going to develop with just 5-10 minute cameos chasing the ball down.
Cain Noble. Lad needs minutes, the one everyone has down to be a first teamer. Club captain in same position can't even get a start.
Iwan Murray. A classy footballer. Needs a run of games, against everyone, not just your Ashton Uniteds. We're crying out for a number 10/attacking midfielder.
(some of the lads mentioned are carrying injuries but lets be real, they'd still be warming the bench at best)
We're loaning James Jones for the season when we should be bringing in lads like Tom Ruffer.
I'd love to see our managers put more faith in youth, but the pressure and demand from fans is too high, I don't blame them in a way. It's promotion or nothing for majority of our fanbase. We're still in the "pub leagues".
We really need to look at what we want to be. Chasing the grail of the football league, all or nothing, turnover of players/managers until we get it right or becoming a club known for its academy, developing players the right way (the Crewe of the non leagues). Unfortunately our fans don't have the patience for the latter.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 12, 2019 7:34:36 GMT
His response is that they 'Are not setting up an academy in Chester. My role is to recruit and develop players just short of Cat 1 level. Only Crewe (Cat 2) can offer another pathway atm. Just another opportunity for boys on the Wirral, North Wales, Cheshire.' Also claims that the original tweet is misleading. Take from that what you will but it very much reads like Shrewsbury are parking him on our patch to poach players. Agree with the poster above though that there has been a ceiling on our youth players for a couple of seasons now. The managers need to trust them and blood them strategically. If I was Matty Waters/Iwan Murray/Cain Noble I would be what I had to do to get a regular game. We know they will have bad performances - as they did on occasion last season - but that's all part of their development and the managers have to work with that. Scott Burton can have a bad game every time he pulls a shirt on but they keep trusting him.
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Post by navajo on Aug 12, 2019 8:25:17 GMT
Reading on Social Media a coach of ours has jumped shipped which is fair enough. Bigger Club, better league, more money etc but to have this now being built just looks like the hard work from Chester’s academy has been discovered and an EFL Club is stealing that away from us. That's fair enough to jump ship for a paid role but for Shrewsbury to take 9 players who at the time were registered U12 players with Chester as part of the deal is a bit naughty don't you think?
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Post by Si on Aug 12, 2019 8:25:22 GMT
His response is that they 'Are not setting up an academy in Chester. My role is to recruit and develop players just short of Cat 1 level. Only Crewe (Cat 2) can offer another pathway atm. Just another opportunity for boys on the Wirral, North Wales, Cheshire.' Also claims that the original tweet is misleading. Take from that what you will but it very much reads like Shrewsbury are parking him on our patch to poach players. Agree with the poster above though that there has been a ceiling on our youth players for a couple of seasons now. The managers need to trust them and blood them strategically. If I was Matty Waters/Iwan Murray/Cain Noble I would be what I had to do to get a regular game. We know they will have bad performances - as they did on occasion last season - but that's all part of their development and the managers have to work with that. Scott Burton can have a bad game every time he pulls a shirt on but they keep trusting him. There's certainly a strong argument that Waters did well enough to retain his spot, and I think it's a shame Noble got loaned out but it might help him develop better in the long term. I'd like to see Murray given opportunities, given that we look short on creativity. Thomson did alright last season but still looks a bit raw and a loan spell would do him the world of good, and I don't think Marsh Hughes is quite at the required level yet so would like to see him go out and score some goals at a lower level. Unfortunately if we got bad results playing with those 4 youth team players then it wouldn't stop the managers from getting hammered on here. Fan's want to go out of this league quickly, and the pressure is on the managers who will then be resistant to playing the young lads. To be fair to them both, they gave opportunities last season and I do think its something they want to do, but it might be a case of picking and choosing the right game to put them in for. I genuinely think that Murray might get some games this season, they seem to rate him highly.
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Post by navajo on Aug 12, 2019 8:30:21 GMT
As great as our academy is, it's been coming. There is a ceiling here. We can't be dining on Sam Hughes and Tom Crawford forever We should be fielding at least 1 or 2 academy lads, every game, from the start, we are way off that. Waters/Thomson. Should be regulars. More than capable and both did great last season when the two full backs brought in were found not to be up to it. Having to spend this season behind Taylor and Morgan (who can't get in first XI) Lloyd Marsh-Hughes. A really good centre forward with bags of potential. Way down pecking order and never going to develop with just 5-10 minute cameos chasing the ball down. Cain Noble. Lad needs minutes, the one everyone has down to be a first teamer. Club captain in same position can't even get a start. Iwan Murray. A classy footballer. Needs a run of games, against everyone, not just your Ashton Uniteds. We're crying out for a number 10/attacking midfielder. (some of the lads mentioned are carrying injuries but lets be real, they'd still be warming the bench at best) We're loaning James Jones for the season when we should be bringing in lads like Tom Ruffer. I'd love to see our managers put more faith in youth, but the pressure and demand from fans is too high, I don't blame them in a way. It's promotion or nothing for majority of our fanbase. We're still in the "pub leagues". We really need to look at what we want to be. Chasing the grail of the football league, all or nothing, turnover of players/managers until we get it right or becoming a club known for its academy, developing players the right way (the Crewe of the non leagues). Unfortunately our fans don't have the patience for the latter. Wouldn't disagree about trusting young players however do you think Shrewsbury are going to throw them in their 1st team straight away?
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Post by sealandender1 on Aug 12, 2019 8:35:51 GMT
I’d be interested in Callum McIntyre’s take on all this. Peter Woolland needs to be confronted over his totally irresponsible actions - the group of young lads and their parents knew full well that they had signed for ‘Chester FC’ and not for a club 40 miles away in another county and certainly not for Mr. Woolland per se.
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Post by jb on Aug 12, 2019 8:38:54 GMT
Just had a look at the Shrewsbury Town squad and it appears that they only have only one home grown first teamer and that is the 34 year David Edwards. Hardly a glowing endorsement for blooding young talent! However, if you are a former Dagenham and Newport player you are more likely to get a game for them.
Crewe Alex have been looking around North Wales and Chester for players for years so its just another team looking for players from this area.
Maybe we should re-locate our proposed Sports Hub to Shropshire?
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Post by Moltisanti on Aug 12, 2019 8:39:02 GMT
His response is that they 'Are not setting up an academy in Chester. My role is to recruit and develop players just short of Cat 1 level. Only Crewe (Cat 2) can offer another pathway atm. Just another opportunity for boys on the Wirral, North Wales, Cheshire.' Also claims that the original tweet is misleading. Take from that what you will but it very much reads like Shrewsbury are parking him on our patch to poach players. Agree with the poster above though that there has been a ceiling on our youth players for a couple of seasons now. The managers need to trust them and blood them strategically. If I was Matty Waters/Iwan Murray/Cain Noble I would be what I had to do to get a regular game. We know they will have bad performances - as they did on occasion last season - but that's all part of their development and the managers have to work with that. Scott Burton can have a bad game every time he pulls a shirt on but they keep trusting him. There's certainly a strong argument that Waters did well enough to retain his spot, and I think it's a shame Noble got loaned out but it might help him develop better in the long term. I'd like to see Murray given opportunities, given that we look short on creativity. Thomson did alright last season but still looks a bit raw and a loan spell would do him the world of good, and I don't think Marsh Hughes is quite at the required level yet so would like to see him go out and score some goals at a lower level. Unfortunately if we got bad results playing with those 4 youth team players then it wouldn't stop the managers from getting hammered on here. Fan's want to go out of this league quickly, and the pressure is on the managers who will then be resistant to playing the young lads. To be fair to them both, they gave opportunities last season and I do think its something they want to do, but it might be a case of picking and choosing the right game to put them in for. I genuinely think that Murray might get some games this season, they seem to rate him highly. Nail on the head.
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Post by harrymc1234 on Aug 12, 2019 9:00:16 GMT
A worrying development but not one that is uncommon, Swansea have set up a similar model just over the boarder to attract players within our catchment area.
The managers have shown their commitment to playing youth team players but based on Saturday's performance I cannot see Waters displacing Taylor or Thomson displacing Kev Roberts or Jackson any time soon. Youth team players need to be of the right quality and brought in at the right time otherwise it can damage their careers. Looking at the successful players we have had come through they have had loan spells to support their development.
On the point of Waters it is worth noting he is only a year younger than Jackson and Taylor so less of a youngster than he is perceived.
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Post by Old Seal on Aug 12, 2019 9:04:36 GMT
I noticed two lads in Wrexham track suits getting on a train from Chester on the Manchester line too. Wonder if it's all connected.
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Post by Si on Aug 12, 2019 10:31:15 GMT
I noticed two lads in Wrexham track suits getting on a train from Chester on the Manchester line too. Wonder if it's all connected. When I used to get the train in to Chester for work years ago I'd always see Johnny Hunt and Obi Onorou in the Wrexham tracksuits on their way to training. That's always going to happen when there are so many local clubs. However, Wrexham didn't set up an academy base in Chester, so it's different. What Shrewsbury are doing is deliberately invasive and it's shocking that the FA can allow things like that to happen. Quite often the lifeblood of lower teams like ourselves is developing and selling on academy players, and now a club with more money and better facilities are planting themselves on our patch. Dreadful stuff, and really undermining to all the good work our academy do. The FA should put a stop to things like this.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 12, 2019 11:03:37 GMT
This is a hostile takeover. We can't let the big leagues cherry pick our best talent. We've never had a threat like this before. This is WARFARE! Gentlemen, there comes a time when every man must fight for what he believes in Now is the time, stand up and FIGHT! Crewe Alex used to take all our best players.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2019 11:22:39 GMT
It's frustrating because Shrewsbury have a huge catchment area as it is, and have done alright from that in recent years - Joe Hart being a notable example.
Losing out on local players is nothing new, but there's something about this that seems particularly galling. We've got huge clubs on our doorstep to contend with as it is, and now we've got another club - traditionally a similar sized club that basically doesn't have any competition in their area - seemingly trying to piggyback on something we've built from scratch.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 12, 2019 12:41:17 GMT
As great as our academy is, it's been coming. There is a ceiling here. We can't be dining on Sam Hughes and Tom Crawford forever We should be fielding at least 1 or 2 academy lads, every game, from the start, we are way off that. Waters/Thomson. Should be regulars. More than capable and both did great last season when the two full backs brought in were found not to be up to it. Having to spend this season behind Taylor and Morgan (who can't get in first XI) Lloyd Marsh-Hughes. A really good centre forward with bags of potential. Way down pecking order and never going to develop with just 5-10 minute cameos chasing the ball down. Cain Noble. Lad needs minutes, the one everyone has down to be a first teamer. Club captain in same position can't even get a start. Iwan Murray. A classy footballer. Needs a run of games, against everyone, not just your Ashton Uniteds. We're crying out for a number 10/attacking midfielder. (some of the lads mentioned are carrying injuries but lets be real, they'd still be warming the bench at best) We're loaning James Jones for the season when we should be bringing in lads like Tom Ruffer. I'd love to see our managers put more faith in youth, but the pressure and demand from fans is too high, I don't blame them in a way. It's promotion or nothing for majority of our fanbase. We're still in the "pub leagues". We really need to look at what we want to be. Chasing the grail of the football league, all or nothing, turnover of players/managers until we get it right or becoming a club known for its academy, developing players the right way (the Crewe of the non leagues). Unfortunately our fans don't have the patience for the latter. Do you think that Chester fans would be happy with us dropping points as long as we play some of the youth team , I think not we have a melt down on here if we don’t win games as it is. Of all the young lads only Murray and Walters are ready to get regular game time the rest would benefit from loan moves to get game time in senior football, I think we should be rotating our squad a little more during the first month as we have a lot of games to play in a short space of time. Most Managers have a tendency to play there best 11 in every game until injury dictates a change, but I think the squad we have is strong enough to allow some rotation to keep players fresh until the fixtures settle down to just playing on Saturdays.
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Post by thetheremin on Aug 12, 2019 14:48:30 GMT
It's frustrating because Shrewsbury have a huge catchment area as it is, and have done alright from that in recent years - Joe Hart being a notable example. Losing out on local players is nothing new, but there's something about this that seems particularly galling. We've got huge clubs on our doorstep to contend with as it is, and now we've got another club - traditionally a similar sized club that basically doesn't have any competition in their area - seemingly trying to piggyback on something we've built from scratch. That’s the point entirely. Can you imagine us doing the same thing to another club? Then parading the players we’d poached around the Deva. Then banging it on the website and all over social media. This isn’t any accident is it. This will have taken some planning. Signing up the coach, getting the kids signed up, dealing with the families, getting the kids down there, preparing all the media releases. It looks extremely hostile. I’ve seen similar things happen, but typically a junior side develops links with a EFL club. For example a side near us near Sheffield hooked up with Notts Forest. But that was a local junior league side. It must be very unusual for club a club to nick part of the junior section from a club of a similar size.
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