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Post by Moltisanti on Aug 13, 2019 22:46:51 GMT
Mahon and Dudley need to dropped, it’s been a long time since they’ve had a good run of form especially Mahon, who I’d love to rekindle the form from a few years ago, but he’s just not cutting it at the moment, Murray would be a better option imo. Dudley dropped Hahahaha. You haven’t got a clue
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Post by MPW on Aug 13, 2019 22:51:49 GMT
Mahon and Dudley need to dropped, it’s been a long time since they’ve had a good run of form especially Mahon, who I’d love to rekindle the form from a few years ago, but he’s just not cutting it at the moment, Murray would be a better option imo. Dudley dropped Hahahaha. You haven’t got a clue 🤫
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Post by sqzl on Aug 13, 2019 22:53:47 GMT
Didn't go heard it on the radio but apparently mahon was poor again and Matty Hughes made the difference swap them around Saturday we win think mahon should be put out to grass I went and you’re not wrong. Although Hughes came on as a central striker for Waring. He was quality when given the ball really tricky and won the penalty well, although I’d be fuming if that was given against us. I took a Wimbledon fan tonight as I mentioned and his assessment of us was very similar to mine. When we pass the ball on the deck we were the better side but it happened maybe twice in the whole game and it was two minute spells. We were poor generally. I thought Jackson tried but didn’t really have much to go off, when he gets the ball and runs he’s a threat. Mahon was terrible, my mate says that 10 always wants an extra turn or touch and he’s spot on. We also agreed on the night that we had no shape at all, once we made changes it was always 4-2-4 at times! That was at 0-0. What made that worse is when robbo drops deep it always left Stopforth totally isolated with 20 yards of ground around him. You could honestly see 20-30 yard gaps between Our midfield and the 4 forwards at times. Needs to improve but overall we stole a point so I’ll take it. I just hope the draw and another game unbeaten doesn’t totally mask the lack of shape, creativity and anonymous wingers in the first half.
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Post by Moltisanti on Aug 14, 2019 0:01:06 GMT
Dudley dropped Hahahaha. You haven’t got a clue 🤫 That’s made the journey home more bearable. How embarrassing for you saying that.
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Post by agl on Aug 14, 2019 0:17:37 GMT
Didn't go heard it on the radio but apparently mahon was poor again and Matty Hughes made the difference swap them around Saturday we win think mahon should be put out to grass I went and you’re not wrong. Although Hughes came on as a central striker for Waring. He was quality when given the ball really tricky and won the penalty well, although I’d be fuming if that was given against us. I took a Wimbledon fan tonight as I mentioned and his assessment of us was very similar to mine. When we pass the ball on the deck we were the better side but it happened maybe twice in the whole game and it was two minute spells. We were poor generally. I thought Jackson tried but didn’t really have much to go off, when he gets the ball and runs he’s a threat. Mahon was terrible, my mate says that 10 always wants an extra turn or touch and he’s spot on. We also agreed on the night that we had no shape at all, once we made changes it was always 4-2-4 at times! That was at 0-0. What made that worse is when robbo drops deep it always left Stopforth totally isolated with 20 yards of ground around him. You could honestly see 20-30 yard gaps between Our midfield and the 4 forwards at times. Needs to improve but overall we stole a point so I’ll take it. I just hope the draw and another game unbeaten doesn’t totally mask the lack of shape, creativity and anonymous wingers in the first half. Fair assessment of the game. Best you can say is that we worked hard and heads didn't drop, but there's not much in that team to inspire at the moment. Taylor and Jackson the pick of a poor bunch and Hughes looked lively when he came on and got the (soft) penalty. We shaded the first half without really getting a grip on the game and the lack of any creativity is worrying. Waring hardly got a look in, Dudley was anonymous and Mahon his usual self. Too many crosses just floated into the box for their hipster keeper to claim. Looked solid enough at the back but always had the feeling they could nick one and we duly obliged with another own goal. Looked like game over when they got the penalty but we got out of jail big time. Even when they went down to ten we still didn't have any grip on the game. Good to see Asante get some match time, in a last throw of the dice, and he put the pen away nicely. Think he emerged uninjured from the celebration. I've done both away games and we need to improve somehow if we are going to make top seven. Awful place to watch football...friendly enough but a stink from the nearby Weetabix factory, the grass was about an inch too long and the ground is dire...a field with a fence round it was one description. Still, everyone who wants us to consolidate will no doubt be happy to keep grinding out draws at places like that in front of less than a thousand fans. Nice touch by a few of the players to come and shake hands behind the goal after the game.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 14, 2019 7:58:36 GMT
I went and you’re not wrong. Although Hughes came on as a central striker for Waring. He was quality when given the ball really tricky and won the penalty well, although I’d be fuming if that was given against us. I took a Wimbledon fan tonight as I mentioned and his assessment of us was very similar to mine. When we pass the ball on the deck we were the better side but it happened maybe twice in the whole game and it was two minute spells. We were poor generally. I thought Jackson tried but didn’t really have much to go off, when he gets the ball and runs he’s a threat. Mahon was terrible, my mate says that 10 always wants an extra turn or touch and he’s spot on. We also agreed on the night that we had no shape at all, once we made changes it was always 4-2-4 at times! That was at 0-0. What made that worse is when robbo drops deep it always left Stopforth totally isolated with 20 yards of ground around him. You could honestly see 20-30 yard gaps between Our midfield and the 4 forwards at times. Needs to improve but overall we stole a point so I’ll take it. I just hope the draw and another game unbeaten doesn’t totally mask the lack of shape, creativity and anonymous wingers in the first half. Fair assessment of the game. Best you can say is that we worked hard and heads didn't drop, but there's not much in that team to inspire at the moment. Taylor and Jackson the pick of a poor bunch and Hughes looked lively when he came on and got the (soft) penalty. We shaded the first half without really getting a grip on the game and the lack of any creativity is worrying. Waring hardly got a look in, Dudley was anonymous and Mahon his usual self. Too many crosses just floated into the box for their hipster keeper to claim. Looked solid enough at the back but always had the feeling they could nick one and we duly obliged with another own goal. Looked like game over when they got the penalty but we got out of jail big time. Even when they went down to ten we still didn't have any grip on the game. Good to see Asante get some match time, in a last throw of the dice, and he put the pen away nicely. Think he emerged uninjured from the celebration. I've done both away games and we need to improve somehow if we are going to make top seven. Awful place to watch football...friendly enough but a stink from the nearby Weetabix factory, the grass was about an inch too long and the ground is dire...a field with a fence round it was one description. Still, everyone who wants us to consolidate will no doubt be happy to keep grinding out draws at places like that in front of less than a thousand fans. Nice touch by a few of the players to come and shake hands behind the goal after the game. That made me smile.
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Post by g1 on Aug 14, 2019 8:12:36 GMT
Mahon and Dudley need to dropped, it’s been a long time since they’ve had a good run of form especially Mahon, who I’d love to rekindle the form from a few years ago, but he’s just not cutting it at the moment, Murray would be a better option imo. mahon dropped yes I will let dudley off though cos he does work hard at least shove him further forward
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Post by Si on Aug 14, 2019 8:29:21 GMT
I think we've shown we can battle out results when we're on a tricky pitch or not at our best. What we still need to see is whether we can sweep past teams with the conviction of a team going for the league. We steamrollered teams at home in the early parts of last season when Mahon and Mooney were on fire but we've not looked convincing in this respect for a while. I think if we do manage to somehow go up it will be more of a grinding out results like Chorley did rather than scoring lots of goals. By the sounds of things last night, we weren't at our best on an awful surface so on a Tuesday night you take the point, stay unbeaten and make sure we win on Saturday.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 14, 2019 8:34:33 GMT
I went and you’re not wrong. Although Hughes came on as a central striker for Waring. He was quality when given the ball really tricky and won the penalty well, although I’d be fuming if that was given against us. I took a Wimbledon fan tonight as I mentioned and his assessment of us was very similar to mine. When we pass the ball on the deck we were the better side but it happened maybe twice in the whole game and it was two minute spells. We were poor generally. I thought Jackson tried but didn’t really have much to go off, when he gets the ball and runs he’s a threat. Mahon was terrible, my mate says that 10 always wants an extra turn or touch and he’s spot on. We also agreed on the night that we had no shape at all, once we made changes it was always 4-2-4 at times! That was at 0-0. What made that worse is when robbo drops deep it always left Stopforth totally isolated with 20 yards of ground around him. You could honestly see 20-30 yard gaps between Our midfield and the 4 forwards at times. Needs to improve but overall we stole a point so I’ll take it. I just hope the draw and another game unbeaten doesn’t totally mask the lack of shape, creativity and anonymous wingers in the first half. Fair assessment of the game. Best you can say is that we worked hard and heads didn't drop, but there's not much in that team to inspire at the moment. Taylor and Jackson the pick of a poor bunch and Hughes looked lively when he came on and got the (soft) penalty. We shaded the first half without really getting a grip on the game and the lack of any creativity is worrying. Waring hardly got a look in, Dudley was anonymous and Mahon his usual self. Too many crosses just floated into the box for their hipster keeper to claim. Looked solid enough at the back but always had the feeling they could nick one and we duly obliged with another own goal. Looked like game over when they got the penalty but we got out of jail big time. Even when they went down to ten we still didn't have any grip on the game. Good to see Asante get some match time, in a last throw of the dice, and he put the pen away nicely. Think he emerged uninjured from the celebration. I've done both away games and we need to improve somehow if we are going to make top seven. Awful place to watch football...friendly enough but a stink from the nearby Weetabix factory, the grass was about an inch too long and the ground is dire...a field with a fence round it was one description. Still, everyone who wants us to consolidate will no doubt be happy to keep grinding out draws at places like that in front of less than a thousand fans. Nice touch by a few of the players to come and shake hands behind the goal after the game. Petulant comments like that don't help. Nobody is happy about it, we just realise there's no point screaming and whinging about it and that we're going to have to be patient. Not sure what people think the alternative is unless you want us to adopt a 'promotion at any cost' attitude that will only lead to the same situation as 18 months ago.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 14, 2019 9:08:41 GMT
We've had a lack of creativity for the best part of 12 months. Only Asante's purple patch around Xmas improved things. Unsuuprised to hear Mahon yet again having a poor game. Should never have been retained but his fan club piped up on here as they do every year convincing us of his worth. Creates nothing, drifts in and out of games and doesn't seem to have the tactical nous to follow instructions. Jury's still out on Dudley for me. I've never seen the hype and he's another that offers very little for me. He's not a goalscorer and he's not opening up defences with creativity so what is he offering? Need to be a lot better going forwards if we are to compete at the top end but we are 1-2 players short of what's required.
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Post by agl on Aug 14, 2019 10:41:46 GMT
Fair assessment of the game. Best you can say is that we worked hard and heads didn't drop, but there's not much in that team to inspire at the moment. Taylor and Jackson the pick of a poor bunch and Hughes looked lively when he came on and got the (soft) penalty. We shaded the first half without really getting a grip on the game and the lack of any creativity is worrying. Waring hardly got a look in, Dudley was anonymous and Mahon his usual self. Too many crosses just floated into the box for their hipster keeper to claim. Looked solid enough at the back but always had the feeling they could nick one and we duly obliged with another own goal. Looked like game over when they got the penalty but we got out of jail big time. Even when they went down to ten we still didn't have any grip on the game. Good to see Asante get some match time, in a last throw of the dice, and he put the pen away nicely. Think he emerged uninjured from the celebration. I've done both away games and we need to improve somehow if we are going to make top seven. Awful place to watch football...friendly enough but a stink from the nearby Weetabix factory, the grass was about an inch too long and the ground is dire...a field with a fence round it was one description. Still, everyone who wants us to consolidate will no doubt be happy to keep grinding out draws at places like that in front of less than a thousand fans. Nice touch by a few of the players to come and shake hands behind the goal after the game. Petulant comments like that don't help. Nobody is happy about it, we just realise there's no point screaming and whinging about it and that we're going to have to be patient. Not sure what people think the alternative is unless you want us to adopt a 'promotion at any cost' attitude that will only lead to the same situation as 18 months ago. Assume you didn't go to the game last night? There's nothing petulant about suffering that environment and the quality of entertainment on offer and making my feelings clear. When you say patient, what exactly do you mean?
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Post by rcb on Aug 14, 2019 10:45:55 GMT
Fair assessment of the game. Best you can say is that we worked hard and heads didn't drop, but there's not much in that team to inspire at the moment. Taylor and Jackson the pick of a poor bunch and Hughes looked lively when he came on and got the (soft) penalty. We shaded the first half without really getting a grip on the game and the lack of any creativity is worrying. Waring hardly got a look in, Dudley was anonymous and Mahon his usual self. Too many crosses just floated into the box for their hipster keeper to claim. Looked solid enough at the back but always had the feeling they could nick one and we duly obliged with another own goal. Looked like game over when they got the penalty but we got out of jail big time. Even when they went down to ten we still didn't have any grip on the game. Good to see Asante get some match time, in a last throw of the dice, and he put the pen away nicely. Think he emerged uninjured from the celebration. I've done both away games and we need to improve somehow if we are going to make top seven. Awful place to watch football...friendly enough but a stink from the nearby Weetabix factory, the grass was about an inch too long and the ground is dire...a field with a fence round it was one description. Still, everyone who wants us to consolidate will no doubt be happy to keep grinding out draws at places like that in front of less than a thousand fans. Nice touch by a few of the players to come and shake hands behind the goal after the game. Petulant comments like that don't help. Nobody is happy about it, we just realise there's no point screaming and whinging about it and that we're going to have to be patient. Not sure what people think the alternative is unless you want us to adopt a 'promotion at any cost' attitude that will only lead to the same situation as 18 months ago. All a matter of opinions of course, but I don’t see why a touch of honesty should be regarded as petulance. I thought there was a two year plan, with playoffs as a minimum last season and definite promotion this season. Crowds dropped off last season and this season’s crowds are better than I had envisaged, which is pleasing. I do feel performances and outcomes need to improve, and I’m struggling to see that with this squad. I certainly don’t see any of them as National League quality, so not sure what we are supposed to be consolidating towards.
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Post by uptheseals on Aug 14, 2019 11:47:52 GMT
We've had a lack of creativity for the best part of 12 months. Only Asante's purple patch around Xmas improved things. Unsuuprised to hear Mahon yet again having a poor game. Should never have been retained but his fan club piped up on here as they do every year convincing us of his worth. Creates nothing, drifts in and out of games and doesn't seem to have the tactical nous to follow instructions. Jury's still out on Dudley for me. I've never seen the hype and he's another that offers very little for me. He's not a goalscorer and he's not opening up defences with creativity so what is he offering? Need to be a lot better going forwards if we are to compete at the top end but we are 1-2 players short of what's required. Behave one bad game and everyone wants mahon out ? You all loved him second half season last season He'll be back to his usual standard very soon I'd imagine
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Post by agl on Aug 14, 2019 12:37:28 GMT
We've had a lack of creativity for the best part of 12 months. Only Asante's purple patch around Xmas improved things. Unsuuprised to hear Mahon yet again having a poor game. Should never have been retained but his fan club piped up on here as they do every year convincing us of his worth. Creates nothing, drifts in and out of games and doesn't seem to have the tactical nous to follow instructions. Jury's still out on Dudley for me. I've never seen the hype and he's another that offers very little for me. He's not a goalscorer and he's not opening up defences with creativity so what is he offering? Need to be a lot better going forwards if we are to compete at the top end but we are 1-2 players short of what's required. Behave one bad game and everyone wants mahon out ? You all loved him second half season last season He'll be back to his usual standard very soon I'd imagine Actually, no, I didn't. Said he should have been released. Offers very little.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 14, 2019 13:04:53 GMT
Behave one bad game and everyone wants mahon out ? You all loved him second half season last season He'll be back to his usual standard very soon I'd imagine Actually, no, I didn't. Said he should have been released. Offers very little. Funny one Mahon. We should respect him at least as he’s been a good servant to us, and I think most agree that on his day he’s actually unplayable for a defender. The key issue is that his day is coming maybe 1/2 games a season now rather than every few weeks, that’s why people have lost patience slightly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 14:50:03 GMT
I think it's generally understood that mahon is a winger not a number 10. Dudley is a striker not attacking mid or winger. We are relying on long balls to waring and getting sussed out. 4 4 2 for me but change the options
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 14, 2019 15:25:56 GMT
My match vlog:
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Post by sqzl on Aug 14, 2019 15:41:20 GMT
It’s our shape in midfield that looks off. The wingers play far too high and so Roberts and Stopforth look so isolated. As a winger you can’t always be looking to get in behind. Dudley was poor last night but he’s playing in a 10, it’ll never be his position.
At the end of the day I’d have taken being unbeaten after 4 games but preferably less own goals 😂
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Post by keithm on Aug 14, 2019 15:49:55 GMT
I agree with most of the comments of those who were there. we definately got out of jail. I made the trip on the Hipkiss and my first impression of the ground was that if we want promotion we must win at places like this.A field with a fence around it is a good description.my feelings were backed up when I read the boardroom notes in the programme. Their ambition this season is just to stay up. On the Dudley Mahon debate, Dudley is a better player when playing as a target, not the deeper role he's playing this season and Mahon was playing inside last night, not his best position with Taylor making the runs down the left. If Taylor is playing in an attacking role maybe Waters should be brought in to provide the cover at left back.
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Post by MPW on Aug 14, 2019 17:05:36 GMT
That’s made the journey home more bearable. How embarrassing for you saying that. How old are you? 6? 🤔
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 14, 2019 17:07:57 GMT
We certainly got out of jail with a point last night. Fantastic travelling support at 300 or so. They Certainly don’t deserve that sort of backing on last nights showing
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Post by jb on Aug 14, 2019 17:49:56 GMT
Mahon and Dudley need to dropped, it’s been a long time since they’ve had a good run of form especially Mahon, who I’d love to rekindle the form from a few years ago, but he’s just not cutting it at the moment, Murray would be a better option imo. Dudley dropped Hahahaha. You haven’t got a clue What has Dudley actually contributed so far this season? No goals or assists and an absolute sitter missed against Altrincham. Sounds like he missed another one last night. Hopefully he is benched on Saturday because he looks a passenger at the moment. His Agent played a blinder getting him that deal because he’s looked off the pace since March. I hope that Hughes gets to start in that position on Saturday.
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Post by uptheseals on Aug 14, 2019 18:33:59 GMT
Dudley dropped Hahahaha. You haven’t got a clue What has Dudley actually contributed so far this season? No goals or assists and an absolute sitter missed against Altrincham. Sounds like he missed another one last night. Hopefully he is benched on Saturday because he looks a passenger at the moment. His Agent played a blinder getting him that deal because he’s looked off the pace since March. I hope that Hughes gets to start in that position on Saturday. Probably because he's not been played in his proper position? give him time and we're 4 games in
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:04:29 GMT
We certainly got out of jail with a point last night. Fantastic travelling support at 300 or so. They Certainly don’t deserve that sort of backing on last nights showing What on earth does this even mean? ‘They certainly don’t deserve that sort of backing’ hell fire!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:11:54 GMT
It was quite a boring game in all honesty that burst into life in the last 20 minutes with neither team deserving to win the game. The substitutions of Elliot and Hughes provided a much needed spark from an attacking point of view and Jackson seemed to see much more of the ball in the last half hour which asked them questions. The pitch was as bad as I’ve seen at the level too which killed any attempts at pretty football being played.
Surely as a team travelling for three hours on a Tuesday night a point is seen as a positive result?
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Post by sqzl on Aug 14, 2019 19:20:52 GMT
I agree with most of the comments of those who were there. we definately got out of jail. I made the trip on the Hipkiss and my first impression of the ground was that if we want promotion we must win at places like this.A field with a fence around it is a good description.my feelings were backed up when I read the boardroom notes in the programme. Their ambition this season is just to stay up. On the Dudley Mahon debate, Dudley is a better player when playing as a target, not the deeper role he's playing this season and Mahon was playing inside last night, not his best position with Taylor making the runs down the left. If Taylor is playing in an attacking role maybe Waters should be brought in to provide the cover at left back. I’ll be honest Keith, I didn’t see it that way on the night. I saw Mahon as our left winger and Dudley as playing inside. Taylor was often galloping ahead of him because Mahon looks to turn back inside onto his right foot way too often. I see Taylor as a huge attacking threat down that left, more so than Mahon, I’d be half tempted to play Hughes there next game with Taylor.
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Post by devadiva on Aug 14, 2019 19:24:57 GMT
Actually, no, I didn't. Said he should have been released. Offers very little. Funny one Mahon. We should respect him at least as he’s been a good servant to us, and I think most agree that on his day he’s actually unplayable for a defender. The key issue is that his day is coming maybe 1/2 games a season now rather than every few weeks, that’s why people have lost patience slightly. Listened to the match whilst on hols. Whenever Mahon was mentioned it was followed with him cutting inside and not providing any final product. Plus ca change. Wasn’t convinced last season and it sounds like no change this season. I don’t see how trying an alternative (Elliott or one of the youngsters would leave us worse off)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 20:29:26 GMT
Don't think Dudley had a bad game ok nothing special but not as bad as some are making out and does not deserve to be dropped
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Post by eltonblues on Aug 14, 2019 20:33:24 GMT
In a few pre season matches Dudley played the #10 position superbly well, I have only managed one league game so far due to holidays but he did well in that match.
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Post by Imperial on Aug 14, 2019 21:43:54 GMT
Dudley should under no circumstances be dropped, he was our top scorer last season & has been playing well those season albeit slightly out of position.
Mahon on the other hand hasn’t had a great start to the season, he works hard but he’s running into brick walls & giving the ball away too often. Waters LB with Taylor playing a bit further forward maybe?
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