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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 10:17:35 GMT
Nine points from five games constitutes a pretty good start in any teams book at the start of a season. One defeat in fourteen matches since the away defeat at Altrincham last season shows the the team are progressing really well.
I’ve seen something in here this morning that says ‘fans have bought into the managers yet’ and often see things like ‘Gallagher brothers out’. I think somebody last week had even put a screenshot of them asking a betting company what odds for them to be sacked.
They seem to love being at the club and engage with the supporters. The football played, especially at home is generally very good and their signings this summer have all proved to be excellent so far.
My question is why do so many people (on here) seem to have issues with them as managers of Chester?
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Post by Imperial on Aug 18, 2019 10:29:09 GMT
I think it’s a minority. But it comes from some of the worst defeats in the club’s history coming while under their stewardship last season. There’s a few who just aren’t convinced. I think what we’ve seen so far this season is a huge improvement on last season though, probably as a result of having the time to recruit properly.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 18, 2019 10:31:50 GMT
Nine points from five games constitutes a pretty good start in any teams book at the start of a season. One defeat in fourteen matches since the away defeat at Altrincham last season shows the the team are progressing really well. I’ve seen something in here this morning that says ‘fans have bought into the managers yet’ and often see things like ‘Gallagher brothers out’. I think somebody last week had even put a screenshot of them asking a betting company what odds for them to be sacked. They seem to love being at the club and engage with the supporters. The football played, especially at home is generally very good and their signings this summer have all proved to be excellent so far. My question is why do so many people (on here) seem to have issues with them as managers as Chester? To be fair Ian it’s always the same posters and they have had issues with every Manager we have have had, I don’t think they are being treated differently than any other Managers at the club.
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Post by agl on Aug 18, 2019 10:39:20 GMT
I posted that some fans haven't bought into the managers yet (you need to edit that post). Admittedly based on two away games that I've been to (I live in the south) I haven't been that impressed. Maybe I'm being unfair comparing the current team with the one that won NL North last time, but I still think we have the look of a top 10 side but not really a title or top three contender, which is where I expect us to be. No apology for setting the bar high. Too often the managers talk about lack of quality in the final third but what have they done to address it? We still look a midfielder short. Also think some of the drubbings last season left scars which will take time to heal. I guess it depends on expectations. Need to be better away from the Deva. We were very fortunate to get anything at Kettering. Genuine question...did you go? We were petty dire second half and only unbeaten because they missed a penalty. Struggled to put ten men under an sustained pressure. Easy to look from afar and say it's a decent point but that certainly wasn't the case. I will reserve judgement until 15 games have been played.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 10:50:41 GMT
I posted that some fans haven't bought into the managers yet (you need to edit that post). Admittedly based on two away games that I've been to (I live in the south) I haven't been that impressed. Maybe I'm being unfair comparing the current team with the one that won NL North last time, but I still think we have the look of a top 10 side but not really a title or top three contender, which is where I expect us to be. No apology for setting the bar high. Too often the managers talk about lack of quality in the final third but what have they done to address it? We still look a midfielder short. Also think some of the drubbings last season left scars which will take time to heal. I guess it depends on expectations. Need to be better away from the Deva. We were very fortunate to get anything at Kettering. Genuine question...did you go? We were petty dire second half and only unbeaten because they missed a penalty. Struggled to put ten men under an sustained pressure. Easy to look from afar and say it's a decent point but that certainly wasn't the case. I will reserve judgement until 15 games have been played. Yes I was there. I too thought the game was a poor spectacle but i take into account the time the team spent on the coach on a midweek game and the state of the pitch. I thought a draw was a fair result in terms of chances created for both teams. Their goal and missed penalty were their only chances as our only chances were the penalty scored and Hughes lob cleared off the line. I accept that being an ex league club you’re not prepared to lower expectation etc but to suggest a draw wasn’t deserved due to a last minute penalty doesn’t make much sense, a game is as long as the referee plays, does the same apply with Livesey’s first minute goal yesterday because the opposition perhaps weren’t ready?
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Post by agl on Aug 18, 2019 12:09:37 GMT
I thought overall at Kettering we were the poorer side. They moved the ball around much better, although like us created nothing. It was tough to watch. I don't get to home games so my opinions are based on what I see on the road. Kettering have said their aim this season is to stay up, nothing more. The managers have to find a way of going to places like that and nicking wins. No good having a decent spell here and there, or blaming the pitch. Good managers adapt. It's a risky strategy just to stay in the game. It was the same last season, such as Leamington away. We should be aiming for top three this season, not scraping into the play offs, to maintain interest and give us a better chance of promotion. I don't expect the managers to be here next season if we don't improve on last year's position. It's nothing to do with being ex league club, that's in the past. Apart from York I don't see any stand out teams in our league, early days as it is. It's crucial we move forwards, not stagnate. Looks like we've improved in some areas, by recruiting Jackson and Taylor, but they took the easy option with some of the re-signings (Mahon, Grand).
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 18, 2019 12:28:19 GMT
There are a small bunch of supporters that aren't happy with our manager(s). As someone else said, they're not happy with any of the managers.
Half of them still think we should still be league 2, and moan about the 'dross' we have to watch. They think we should win this league easily and anything else is failure. They don't seem to understand that having a crowd of 800, doesn't mean you have no money, if you have a someone pumping money in.
It's a rose tinted view of the past. I remember watching us in the 80s and it was mainly dreadful. They forget it takes two teams to make a good game. They also tend to be those who don't get the fans owned thing. They don't tend to come to CFU meetings, so stick to their original ideas without challenging them. They still wait for the Chairman to 'put his hand in his pocket' for a star striker, to get the crowds in.
The other half have grown up watching Barca and Man City on the tv, and expect us to play like that every week. They're the ones who use the hoof ball comments, at every opportunity.
The two years prior to Bern and Jonno coming in caused a problem too. Burr lost a few fans, and Macca lost most of the rest. Trust takes time. Some won't forgive. The results at Blyth and Dunston didnt help.
There's also an anti Manchester element to it. Not helped by the Class of 92 stuff.
I would suggest that any managers at any club at this level, and above. Will have the same proportion of people who want them out, or think they can do better, or know someone that can. It comes with the territory.
The internet just presents people with an opportunity to put their ideas out to a wider audience. Being negative makes them feel superior, and they will say 'told you so', when it goes wrong.
I suspect this attitude explains why managers rarely say anything honest in their interviews. Everything is a pr statement. Bern and Jonno seem to be exceptions to this. People can't always separate honesty from pr stuff. That counts against them too.
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Post by rcb on Aug 18, 2019 12:44:53 GMT
There are a small bunch of supporters that aren't happy with our manager(s). As someone else said, they're not happy with any of the managers. Half of them still think we should still be league 2, and moan about the 'dross' we have to watch. They think we should win this league easily and anything else is failure. They don't seem to understand that having a crowd of 800, doesn't mean you have no money, if you have a someone pumping money in. It's a rose tinted view of the past. I remember watching us in the 80s and it was mainly dreadful. They forget it takes two teams to make a good game. They also tend to be those who don't get the fans owned thing. They don't tend to come to CFU meetings, so stick to their original ideas without challenging them. They still wait for the Chairman to 'put his hand in his pocket' for a star striker, to get the crowds in. The other half have grown up watching Barca and Man City on the tv, and expect us to play like that every week. They're the ones who use the hoof ball comments, at every opportunity. The two years prior to Bern and Jonno coming in caused a problem too. Burr lost a few fans, and Macca lost most of the rest. Trust takes time. Some won't forgive. The results at Blyth and Dunston didnt help. There's also an anti Manchester element to it. Not helped by the Class of 92 stuff. I would suggest that any managers at any club at this level, and above. Will have the same proportion of people who want them out, or think they can do better, or know someone that can. It comes with the territory. The internet just presents people with an opportunity to put their ideas out to a wider audience. Being negative makes them feel superior, and they will say 'told you so', when it goes wrong. I suspect this attitude explains why managers rarely say anything honest in their interviews. Everything is a pr statement. Bern and Jonno seem to be exceptions to this. People can't always separate honesty from pr stuff. That counts against them too. What about Bignot?
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 18, 2019 12:53:11 GMT
The aim was to be in play-off picture last season. Although we missed out, I got the impression most fans felt the duo deserved another crack at it because, importantly, they'd got us moving in the right direction. Not to mention the stadium distruption at the start of the campaign and the injury crisis each playing a part.
Of course there will be critics but I've sensed no appetite among the majority for a managerial switch. A settled sustained period with the same management is exactly what the club needs after our disastrous and turbulent relegation season.
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Post by superman on Aug 18, 2019 14:01:58 GMT
Thought their initial appointment was a real positive at a time of extreme negativity. John McCarthy proved to be a disaster and Marcus Bignot failed to deliver and clearly lost the dressing room after about 2 games.He, perhaps understandably, never gave much cause for optimism and always seemed to have his own agenda of establishing a full time outfit with him as manager in National League North. Personally never really trusted the guy to turn things around under the difficult circumstances that existed.
Bernard and Jonno won’t be every-bodies cup of tea but I find their openness and honesty refreshing. Their direct, outspoken but enthusiastic and passionate desire to do well is obvious. This does not mean they will be successful but they will certainly give it their all and expect the same of everyone else. Also they are still learning in terms of coaching and recruitment, although they seem to have got the latter much better this time round. Good luck to them, I can’t think of anyone better at this time.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 18, 2019 14:06:36 GMT
Thought their initial appointment was a real positive at a time of extreme negativity. John McCarthy proved to be a disaster and Marcus Bignot failed to deliver and clearly lost the dressing room after about 2 games.He, perhaps understandably, never gave much cause for optimism and always seemed to have his own agenda of establishing a full time outfit with him as manager in National League North. Personally never really trusted the guy to turn things around under the difficult circumstances that existed. Bernard and Jonno won’t be every-bodies cup of tea but I find their openness and honesty refreshing. Their direct, outspoken but enthusiastic and passionate desire to do well is obvious. This does not mean they will be successful but they will certainly give it their all and expect the same of everyone else. Also they are still learning in terms of coaching and recruitment, although they seem to have got the latter much better this time round. Good luck to them, I can’t think of anyone better at this time. I think many people don't realise, or forget, that Bern and Jonno are the same age as Grand and Livesey. Their management careers began in the prime of their playing careers.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 18, 2019 14:36:41 GMT
Echo most of what's been said. The managers are generally popular. It's just there's a small number of persistent misery guts/trolls on here, and a lot of the more rational fans have become worn down by it and stopped posting on here.
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Post by trublu on Aug 18, 2019 15:06:38 GMT
At around the 15 minute mark yesterday some bloke in the west stand began loudly moaning at everything the team did that didn't come off.
People around us were laughing at him, but his voice was the one you could pick out.
The negative ones are often the loudest in life, being 2-0 up in the first 10 minutes wasnt going to dampen his day.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 18, 2019 15:08:44 GMT
At around the 15 minute mark yesterday some bloke in the west stand began loudly moaning at everything the team did that didn't come off. People around us were laughing at him, but his voice was the one you could pick out. The negative ones are often the loudest in life, being 2-0 up in the first 10 minutes wasnt going to dampen his day. Empty vessels make the loudest noise.
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 18, 2019 16:10:19 GMT
There are a small bunch of supporters that aren't happy with our manager(s). As someone else said, they're not happy with any of the managers. Half of them still think we should still be league 2, and moan about the 'dross' we have to watch. They think we should win this league easily and anything else is failure. They don't seem to understand that having a crowd of 800, doesn't mean you have no money, if you have a someone pumping money in. It's a rose tinted view of the past. I remember watching us in the 80s and it was mainly dreadful. They forget it takes two teams to make a good game. They also tend to be those who don't get the fans owned thing. They don't tend to come to CFU meetings, so stick to their original ideas without challenging them. They still wait for the Chairman to 'put his hand in his pocket' for a star striker, to get the crowds in. The other half have grown up watching Barca and Man City on the tv, and expect us to play like that every week. They're the ones who use the hoof ball comments, at every opportunity. The two years prior to Bern and Jonno coming in caused a problem too. Burr lost a few fans, and Macca lost most of the rest. Trust takes time. Some won't forgive. The results at Blyth and Dunston didnt help. There's also an anti Manchester element to it. Not helped by the Class of 92 stuff. I would suggest that any managers at any club at this level, and above. Will have the same proportion of people who want them out, or think they can do better, or know someone that can. It comes with the territory. The internet just presents people with an opportunity to put their ideas out to a wider audience. Being negative makes them feel superior, and they will say 'told you so', when it goes wrong. I suspect this attitude explains why managers rarely say anything honest in their interviews. Everything is a pr statement. Bern and Jonno seem to be exceptions to this. People can't always separate honesty from pr stuff. That counts against them too. What about Bignot? Absolutely right. How could I leave him out? His appointment after Macca left us on our knees. Emotionally and financially. May have been the final straw for some.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 18, 2019 17:51:26 GMT
Given the utter shambles they inherited, it was probably always too big a task to turn it around in one season. Their recruitment this time around has been much better, given that they had last season as a platform. I too like their honesty and passion and believe they will give it everything to be successful here. Also, there are a lot of experienced players here, who have won this league before or have played at a higher level and another lot who certainly have the ability too. eg Waring, Jackson, Taylor etc.
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Post by g1 on Aug 19, 2019 12:09:19 GMT
Absolutely right. How could I leave him out? His appointment after Macca left us on our knees. Emotionally and financially. May have been the final straw for some. only thing that saves bignot perhaps not that I was his number 1 fan he inherited a huge car crash but the other side of the coin he knew what he was taking on but still think it was harsh the way bignot was sacked
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Post by g1 on Aug 19, 2019 12:12:48 GMT
For what its worth I quite like the managers they r honest I think the fans expect too much to be honest this league is a different league to when we won it they have recruited better it seems this year what do people expect on the budget give them this season
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Post by steveo1 on Aug 19, 2019 12:52:25 GMT
Top guys and brutally honest which is refreshing, not bull or blame on budget like previous. If anyone outthere is basing there opinion on the managers due to watching a documentary about them at there old club then people really needs to give there heads a wobble.
The best part about them is they appear to be learning.
Last season we would have gone 2-0 up on saturday only to lose or draw. They have sorted the goalkeeping situation out, brought in two full backs who both have shown quality so far going forward and defensively., coupled with a couple of old pros at centre back, Robbo and Gazza infront doing the dog work letting the others get forward and do the damage. Matty Hughes on the weekend was quality, exactly what big George needed alongside him.
We are probably one or two positions light with cover but we will have to see how the season pans out with injuries and suspensions, but it was nice to see have some decent replacements to come off the bench on saturday. At home i think we can beat anyone in this league, just got to make sure we are tough to be on the road and so far have done that - long way to go yet but its a solid start.
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