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Post by 1967blue Chester Lads on Jan 29, 2020 7:32:49 GMT
This team is utterly USELESS! away from home, not really to sure why when you look at our team, the lack of goals we score away from home is a disgrace for a team in the play offs, when was the last time we scored more than 3 goals in an away match? wonder where we would be without Asante's goals too, someone please check as I am interested thanks. Realistically, how many times are you expecting four or more goals away from home? How many teams have come to our place and scored more than three over the last year and a half? Only Stockport I think. In fact I can only remember two scoring three - Bradford PA (who lost 5-3) and Leamington (3-3). 1 goal would be a start
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Post by 1967blue Chester Lads on Jan 29, 2020 7:38:50 GMT
Well I just got back to my B & B in Seaton Carew after that abysmal performance. That was pretty poor. We started off well enough but by half time you could tell that there was only going to be one result. I think the Chester players just wanted to get back on the bus. Only Joel Taylor and for a while Duds looked like they were interested. We were past the hour mark and still 0-0, but they were absolutely battering us. They had corner after corner. It was quite cagey in the first half, but I imagine their manager told them to just get at us in the 2nd half as we were toothless and giving the ball away constantly. Their goalkeeper could have brought a deckchair out with him as he had nothing to do. This inconsistency will cost us. Thank God we don't have to come to the North East again this season. I think we may have to settle for one of the lower play-off places. Only my 2nd miss of the season. My mate went and was on the phone to me when coming back. He said first 20 mins all Chester but then it went downhill. When we went 1 down bill and Ben didn't know how to change things to get us back into the game. Sounds very similar to the norm. Not good enough if we want to get promoted. But hang on...... Am the happyclappers will still be saying "keep the faith". How long do we keep the faith and not get out of this shit league.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 29, 2020 7:51:27 GMT
Not to feed the trolls but... USELESS! Away from home, 3rd best record in the league. When was the last time we scored more than 3 goals in an away match? - Nobody can really expect Away teams to score 4+ goals. We scored 3 Away goals almost exactly a month ago then won the next away and drew the next, before losing and drawing again. USELESS! The last team to score more than 3 away from home was Southport. at Blythe they then lost the next 6 games on the bounce... now that's USELESS! Where would we be without Asante's goals? Impossible to answer but it's incomparable, but we'd of won 2 - 0 on saturday. Drawn 0-0 at Leamington, Won 1-0 at Way Guiseley. Won 2-0 at home to Southport. Lost 1-0 to Curzon at home. Won 2-1 Away at Southport. Drawn 0-0 with Telford and Lost 2-0 to Darlington. That takes us back to December and every result is the same if you remove his goals. someone please check as I am interested thanks. Classic Deva Chat and fan of Chester FC. Someone else do it, I just want to moan about it. Turned out to be an obsessed Wrexham fan. If it was trolling, it certainly wasn't the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on here, and the less said about Facebook the better. I saw someone on there yesterday saying we should bring John Coleman in. Yeah, I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to leave a club where he's idolised and step down three divisions.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 29, 2020 8:04:02 GMT
If we’re 8th in a 22-team league isn’t that ABOVE average home form?
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 29, 2020 8:45:52 GMT
Well I just got back to my B & B in Seaton Carew after that abysmal performance. That was pretty poor. We started off well enough but by half time you could tell that there was only going to be one result. I think the Chester players just wanted to get back on the bus. Only Joel Taylor and for a while Duds looked like they were interested. We were past the hour mark and still 0-0, but they were absolutely battering us. They had corner after corner. It was quite cagey in the first half, but I imagine their manager told them to just get at us in the 2nd half as we were toothless and giving the ball away constantly. Their goalkeeper could have brought a deckchair out with him as he had nothing to do. This inconsistency will cost us. Thank God we don't have to come to the North East again this season. I think we may have to settle for one of the lower play-off places. Have to take issue with 'absolutely battering us.' That's a hell of an exaggeration! Two really poor teams with them just less so than us in the second half. They just took their chances. No chance of us breaking down a team with five at the back like them I'm afraid. I was very angry when I wrote that, but I think they had 12-15 corners. We didn't have any. They had a better game plan than us and you can't deny that their keeper must have had his easiest ever professional game. Despite our midfield being overrun we hadn't brought one sub on when I left with 15 minutes to go. I expected better than I witnessed. I sat next to Chas Summer and I hope he don't mind me saying he thought we'd lose here and win on Saturday, so I hope he is right. I think the club needs to hold some kind of summit to get to the bottom of why we nearly always just fold in the North East. As for them playing 5 at the back that was part of doing their homework. Do we ever do anything like that?
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Post by Si on Jan 29, 2020 9:07:33 GMT
Some people on here really need to learn how to accept a defeat without acting like a baby!
I still think there are some tactical issues away from home. We seem to concede a lot of chances and you always feel like the goal is coming. I've said this for a while, but we've got to roll up our sleeves and dig in much better. Stifle the opposition and then earn the right to play. We rarely seem to impose our game away from home, so setting up as hard to beat might be a better approach rather than trusting that our flair players can play in the same way they do at home more often than not. Either way, the inconsistency is frustrating and ultimately killed our title chances. We will have enough for the play offs, and hope in one off games we can perform. If we're still in this league next season, then some serious thought needs to go into our approach away from home, particularly in the north east!
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Post by Lobster on Jan 29, 2020 9:11:53 GMT
Some people on here really need to learn how to accept a defeat without acting like a baby! I still think there are some tactical issues away from home. We seem to concede a lot of chances and you always feel like the goal is coming. I've said this for a while, but we've got to roll up our sleeves and dig in much better. Stifle the opposition and then earn the right to play. We rarely seem to impose our game away from home, so setting up as hard to beat might be a better approach rather than trusting that our flair players can play in the same way they do at home more often than not. Either way, the inconsistency is frustrating and ultimately killed our title chances. We will have enough for the play offs, and hope in one off games we can perform. If we're still in this league next season, then some serious thought needs to go into our approach away from home, particularly in the north east! Agree. Also I think Gateshead is one of the smallest pitches around (as is always likely for one enclosed by an athletics track), which might be why it didn't sound like the wingers had much joy.
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Post by Si on Jan 29, 2020 9:42:43 GMT
Some people on here really need to learn how to accept a defeat without acting like a baby! I still think there are some tactical issues away from home. We seem to concede a lot of chances and you always feel like the goal is coming. I've said this for a while, but we've got to roll up our sleeves and dig in much better. Stifle the opposition and then earn the right to play. We rarely seem to impose our game away from home, so setting up as hard to beat might be a better approach rather than trusting that our flair players can play in the same way they do at home more often than not. Either way, the inconsistency is frustrating and ultimately killed our title chances. We will have enough for the play offs, and hope in one off games we can perform. If we're still in this league next season, then some serious thought needs to go into our approach away from home, particularly in the north east! Agree. Also I think Gateshead is one of the smallest pitches around (as is always likely for one enclosed by an athletics track), which might be why it didn't sound like the wingers had much joy. Also seems that when we lose it's never exactly an unlucky defeat. There's never a feeling that the opposition keeper has had a worldie or we've played well and it's just not been our day. A defeat is usually the result of a dismal display. I find that strange given the talent and experience in that squad (must be one of the strongest in the league) so it does point to something tactically that isn't quite right. I generally like the attitude of letting other teams worry about us, but I think at this level when the pitches are vastly different away from home then we have to pay a little bit more respect to opposition and make some adjustments based on the surroundings. Rocking up with the same players and tactics as Saturday might not have been the best idea - Wenger was the worst culprit when he'd set his team up the same as he had total belief in them, and the opposition were an after thought. Of course it can go too far the other way e.g. McCarthy who was petrified of the opposition, but there is a balance to be struck for sure. Unless you've got elite players who can perform in similar ways home and away (Liverpool, Man City) then we've got to be a bit smarter in how we approach the tough/tricky away games.
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Post by RonD on Jan 29, 2020 9:49:26 GMT
Heard Steve Watson was at the game last night. Hope we didn't give too much away before Saturday . . .
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 29, 2020 11:09:42 GMT
Well I just got back to my B & B in Seaton Carew after that abysmal performance. That was pretty poor. We started off well enough but by half time you could tell that there was only going to be one result. I think the Chester players just wanted to get back on the bus. Only Joel Taylor and for a while Duds looked like they were interested. We were past the hour mark and still 0-0, but they were absolutely battering us. They had corner after corner. It was quite cagey in the first half, but I imagine their manager told them to just get at us in the 2nd half as we were toothless and giving the ball away constantly. Their goalkeeper could have brought a deckchair out with him as he had nothing to do. This inconsistency will cost us. Thank God we don't have to come to the North East again this season. I think we may have to settle for one of the lower play-off places. Only my 2nd miss of the season. My mate went and was on the phone to me when coming back. He said first 20 mins all Chester but then it went downhill. When we went 1 down bill and Ben didn't know how to change things to get us back into the game. Sounds very similar to the norm. Not good enough if we want to get promoted. But hang on...... Am the happyclappers will still be saying "keep the faith". How long do we keep the faith and not get out of this shit league. You didn’t even go? Haha. Embarrassing from you. Fraud.
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2020 11:45:02 GMT
We approach these games not to lose, similar to Leamington playing for 0-0. I think the Blyth defeat last season caused so much damage the managers are to afraid to set up how they would like just in case that ever happened again.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jan 29, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
Some right pissed pants on this thread. We lost, were 3rd, we move onto Saturday.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 29, 2020 12:42:07 GMT
I can understand to some extent the 'walk this league' crew as they watched us annihilate this league in 2012-13. I don't subscribe to the mantra the league is tougher now, it's just that we have a poorer side and management. Thats not to say i don't think the current incumbents are anything but right for the club at the moment its just very clear what we are going to get from them.
I do think there were others in line to go out before Elliot who has at least scored goals when given chances. I fear Matty Hughes desperately needs a loan spell and i've just never warmed to Dudley, i just dont see the 'poacher' we were promised. I'm also incredibly surprised that The Gary's were both playing Tuesday following Saturday, they're both mid 30s its a really big ask to get up and down and create, especially once you spotted Gateshead took out your wingers.
We're a good-ish team at this level. We may possibly get promoted with some play-off luck, nothing more.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 29, 2020 12:54:55 GMT
Hahahahaha yeah course Burton and Glendon much better players and give 110% effort They all give effort. You maybe right that they are better players. Burton may well be the conference north Roy Keane but we never get him on the pitch for a consistent run of games. I personally think Glendon is a superb footballer. He’s just been a bit in and out of games. I just don’t get the weird hatred for Roberts. It’s bizarre. I certainly don't hate Roberts, or even question his place in the team, but I do sometimes think we need to ask a bit more from him.
It's to his credit that he's knuckled down since joining us and seems to have put a lot of his past troubles behind him, but he rarely looks like he's "too good" to be playing at this level as many were saying when he joined us.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 29, 2020 14:28:25 GMT
Perhaps we were a little optimistic, not taking into account the factors of them being full-time , being able to spend their day prepping for the day, relaxing, whatever they wanted as well as having had a 10 day rest, with no travel to the game, whilst our lads had to work and then make the long journey up.
These factors, excuses, whatever, mostly go out the window at York. I'm confident of a good performance and at least a point. They're not exactly blowing teams away like we have been doing at home.
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2020 15:00:29 GMT
Can we keep personal insults to Dm's
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Post by Matt on Jan 29, 2020 15:02:18 GMT
Perhaps we were a little optimistic, not taking into account the factors of them being full-time , being able to spend their day prepping for the day, relaxing, whatever they wanted as well as having had a 10 day rest, with no travel to the game, whilst our lads had to work and then make the long journey up. These factors, excuses, whatever, mostly go out the window at York. I'm confident of a good performance and at least a point. They're not exactly blowing teams away like we have been doing at home. Always a tough place to go. Even Alty who's have 25/30 points and bang in form couldn't get a result.
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Post by btb on Jan 29, 2020 15:59:43 GMT
They all give effort. You maybe right that they are better players. Burton may well be the conference north Roy Keane but we never get him on the pitch for a consistent run of games. I personally think Glendon is a superb footballer. He’s just been a bit in and out of games. I just don’t get the weird hatred for Roberts. It’s bizarre. I certainly don't hate Roberts, or even question his place in the team, but I do sometimes think we need to ask a bit more from him.
It's to his credit that he's knuckled down since joining us and seems to have put a lot of his past troubles behind him, but he rarely looks like he's "too good" to be playing at this level as many were saying when he joined us.
Centre midfield has been a problem position for me this season. Roberts, Stopforth and Burton are ageing players and whilst all three have proven they can do a job it’s difficult at times when they play together. Glendon has looked decent in some games and has real ability but again it probably hasn’t worked at times. At this level, I think to be successful you need a box to box player. The teams that have given us problems have had a lot of energy in midfield and we haven’t been able to match it at times. As I said last night, I just don’t understand the poster who keeps changing his name and his obsession with Roberts. The lad has played whilst obviously carrying injuries whilst others have sat in the stand for large chunks. And for that he has my respect.
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Post by devadiva on Jan 29, 2020 16:52:02 GMT
I partly get why folk are hacked off about last night - those that travelled are more entitled than others - but some of the posts on here are a bit OTT:
1. Our away record isn't that bad - otherwise we wouldn't be 3rd. It's just dis-proportionally bad in the N East. As I have posted before, the Club need to take a more careful/forensic look at this - as the consistency with which it happens suggests that it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to narrow down what the root cause(s) are.
2. We played on Saturday and from what I can tell, started Tue with the same team. I think we could have been a bit smarter in the Darlo game and rested some players (Livesey being the obvs one) by subbing them off earlier. I know playing Sat & Tue is not unusual but I think that some people forget the age of quite a lot of our players. We have a bigger (and better) squad than last year and the gaffers have spoken about the ability to do some rotation without weakening the team, so I think they just need to do a bit more of it - esp now we are at the business end of the season, with an extremely tough series of matches over the next month and when players are more likely to be nursing knocks etc. I do wonder whether getting players (and Physios?) to be more honest about their fitness is part of the answer to (1) and (2)?
3. And I don't see the point of querying where we would be/not be if Asante's goals were ignored, etc, etc - what use is that - you could just say the same of Marriott & KL or Salah & Liverpool or Vardy & Leicester....or that I would run slower if I only had one leg. Isn't the point that they are good players and the teams they play for have done well to secure them?
So let's move on to York (which my instinct says was always going to be an easier game for us to get something from than the Gateshead game). Hopefully it'll be a cracker and having watched him boss us season after season at Tranmere I truely am looking for our front line to run McNulty ragged for once.
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Post by billyw on Jan 29, 2020 17:10:20 GMT
I certainly don't hate Roberts, or even question his place in the team, but I do sometimes think we need to ask a bit more from him.
It's to his credit that he's knuckled down since joining us and seems to have put a lot of his past troubles behind him, but he rarely looks like he's "too good" to be playing at this level as many were saying when he joined us.
Centre midfield has been a problem position for me this season. Roberts, Stopforth and Burton are ageing players and whilst all three have proven they can do a job it’s difficult at times when they play together. Glendon has looked decent in some games and has real ability but again it probably hasn’t worked at times. At this level, I think to be successful you need a box to box player. The teams that have given us problems have had a lot of energy in midfield and we haven’t been able to match it at times. As I said last night, I just don’t understand the poster who keeps changing his name and his obsession with Roberts. The lad has played whilst obviously carrying injuries whilst others have sat in the stand for large chunks. And for that he has my respect. Agreed. We could really do with a Sarcevic type player.
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Post by waggoner on Jan 29, 2020 17:26:07 GMT
They all give effort. You maybe right that they are better players. Burton may well be the conference north Roy Keane but we never get him on the pitch for a consistent run of games. I personally think Glendon is a superb footballer. He’s just been a bit in and out of games. I just don’t get the weird hatred for Roberts. It’s bizarre. I certainly don't hate Roberts, or even question his place in the team, but I do sometimes think we need to ask a bit more from him.
It's to his credit that he's knuckled down since joining us and seems to have put a lot of his past troubles behind him, but he rarely looks like he's "too good" to be playing at this level as many were saying when he joined us.
When he was younger I thought he could play Championship level football at least, however G R is really playing at his level these days. He was a good player back in the day but it is over 8 years since he played in the football league. A good player at our level and at this time in his career but the days of being 'too good' for this level are long gone.
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 29, 2020 19:06:36 GMT
Centre midfield has been a problem position for me this season. Roberts, Stopforth and Burton are ageing players and whilst all three have proven they can do a job it’s difficult at times when they play together. Glendon has looked decent in some games and has real ability but again it probably hasn’t worked at times. At this level, I think to be successful you need a box to box player. The teams that have given us problems have had a lot of energy in midfield and we haven’t been able to match it at times. As I said last night, I just don’t understand the poster who keeps changing his name and his obsession with Roberts. The lad has played whilst obviously carrying injuries whilst others have sat in the stand for large chunks. And for that he has my respect. Agreed. We could really do with a Sarcevic type player. Josh Hancock.... of Altrincham. Elton Ngwatala looked really bright when he came on centrally last night to be fair. A few really sharp touches, turns and passes.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 29, 2020 19:26:44 GMT
Agreed. We could really do with a Sarcevic type player. Josh Hancock.... of Altrincham. Elton Ngwatala looked really bright when he came on centrally last night to be fair. A few really sharp touches, turns and passes. However, Elton has looked ineffective central and on the wing in the other games. Danger is, the managers react to 2nd half last night, and make changes for York. It's easy sometimes to look ok when you come on, and the game is lost. Difficult decisions for Saturday. The balance in centre midfield hasn't looked right for most of the season. Gary Roberts is often the only one to do the dirty stuff, especially if Stopforth isn't playing. Having two wingers and two strikers leaves us overrun there sometimes. Darlo tried it with their no.10 dropping in too. Caused us problems at times.
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Post by Jack on Jan 29, 2020 19:36:28 GMT
Agree that we need to look at how we approach away games.
Had some good results at Southport and Guiseley but there seems to be a few nights like last night as well. I wonder if we need a third central midfielder in there? Drop Dudley for a more disciplined, natural CM like Glendon and try and win the midfield battle. Think Stopforth and Roberts can't possibly protect the back 4 and support the front two, so we've often got a gap that is exploited away from home.
But overall, it's not a disaster. Tuesday night away at a decent, full-time side. Football teams can lose games without it being the end of the world.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 29, 2020 20:34:54 GMT
My match vlog:
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Jan 29, 2020 22:20:40 GMT
Some people on here really need to learn how to accept a defeat without acting like a baby! I still think there are some tactical issues away from home. We seem to concede a lot of chances and you always feel like the goal is coming. I've said this for a while, but we've got to roll up our sleeves and dig in much better. Stifle the opposition and then earn the right to play. We rarely seem to impose our game away from home, so setting up as hard to beat might be a better approach rather than trusting that our flair players can play in the same way they do at home more often than not. Either way, the inconsistency is frustrating and ultimately killed our title chances. We will have enough for the play offs, and hope in one off games we can perform. If we're still in this league next season, then some serious thought needs to go into our approach away from home, particularly in the north east! Si it really worries me the quite realistic chance of us being in this league next season. It may be a bridge to far for some. As you say we need to finish as high as possible ideally 3 rd to eliminate a play off round and then perform twice in one off games
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 30, 2020 6:24:34 GMT
Stockport were here for six years and they’re a bigger club than us.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 30, 2020 8:06:57 GMT
Some people on here really need to learn how to accept a defeat without acting like a baby! I still think there are some tactical issues away from home. We seem to concede a lot of chances and you always feel like the goal is coming. I've said this for a while, but we've got to roll up our sleeves and dig in much better. Stifle the opposition and then earn the right to play. We rarely seem to impose our game away from home, so setting up as hard to beat might be a better approach rather than trusting that our flair players can play in the same way they do at home more often than not. Either way, the inconsistency is frustrating and ultimately killed our title chances. We will have enough for the play offs, and hope in one off games we can perform. If we're still in this league next season, then some serious thought needs to go into our approach away from home, particularly in the north east! Si it really worries me the quite realistic chance of us being in this league next season. It may be a bridge to far for some. As you say we need to finish as high as possible ideally 3 rd to eliminate a play off round and then perform twice in one off games Why do a number of supporters EXPECT us to win this league? A number have expressed that view over the season. Not necessarily the previous poster. But what is that expectation based on? We probably have a lower play off budget. Certainly not the highest in this league. York were offering players more than double what we were able to offer. Remember too that crowd attendance doesn't limit budget, if there's a benefactor or two around. Agree we need to finish as high as possible in the play off places. We do seem to play better against the better teams at home. Nightmare would be finish 6th or 7th and end up away at Gateshead and Spennymoor!
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Post by btb on Jan 30, 2020 14:07:43 GMT
Si it really worries me the quite realistic chance of us being in this league next season. It may be a bridge to far for some. As you say we need to finish as high as possible ideally 3 rd to eliminate a play off round and then perform twice in one off games Why do a number of supporters EXPECT us to win this league? A number have expressed that view over the season. Not necessarily the previous poster. But what is that expectation based on? We probably have a lower play off budget. Certainly not the highest in this league. York were offering players more than double what we were able to offer. Remember too that crowd attendance doesn't limit budget, if there's a benefactor or two around. Agree we need to finish as high as possible in the play off places. We do seem to play better against the better teams at home. Nightmare would be finish 6th or 7th and end up away at Gateshead and Spennymoor! On one hand I feel, currently, this is our level but on the other we surely have to view ourselves as a bigger club than this? I do however think we could be stuck here for sometime, sadly. Even if we go up our budget would probably be bottom four. And as we know for a fact, the chester public won’t watch a losing team.
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Post by billyw on Jan 30, 2020 17:24:07 GMT
Why do a number of supporters EXPECT us to win this league? A number have expressed that view over the season. Not necessarily the previous poster. But what is that expectation based on? We probably have a lower play off budget. Certainly not the highest in this league. York were offering players more than double what we were able to offer. Remember too that crowd attendance doesn't limit budget, if there's a benefactor or two around. Agree we need to finish as high as possible in the play off places. We do seem to play better against the better teams at home. Nightmare would be finish 6th or 7th and end up away at Gateshead and Spennymoor! On one hand I feel, currently, this is our level but on the other we surely have to view ourselves as a bigger club than this? I do however think we could be stuck here for sometime, sadly. Even if we go up our budget would probably be bottom four. And as we know for a fact, the chester public won’t watch a losing team. They’re not keen on watching a winning team either.
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