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Post by MPW on Feb 2, 2020 19:53:52 GMT
So after a decent start to 2020 in the league, we have been brought back down to earth with 2 away defeats against 2 teams with 2nd and 3rd best home records. However, we are still 4th and still in a good position with quite a few home games coming up.
I didn’t attend either of the last 2 away games, but I’m as frustrated as most to hear that there were such poor performances. What disappoints me more is that we seem to have a minority of fans who feel that a bad defeat gives them justification to dish out a load of vitriolic comments to fellow fans, players, managers and board members. When we get behind the team, we brilliant, but we seem very quick to turn on our own when things aren’t going so well. I saw a few comments on twitter in the last 24 hours that are quite frankly embarrassing.
With another important run of games coming up, we all need to stick together now more than ever. I still don’t think we’ve seen the best of this team yet and we don’t have the resources that other rival clubs have, but yet we have a more than realistic chance of securing a play-off place and possibly promotion.
We are Chester, there aren’t loads of us and we never do anything the easy way! But let’s get behind the club and see what we can achieve together! ✊🏻
UTFS 💙
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Feb 2, 2020 20:16:20 GMT
Agreed. Win some. Lose some. Win more than we lose is a bonus.
We don't have the god given right to win games. We don't have the resources that some have. We do have a majority of great supporters with a few who seem to revel in our defeats. And we do have a pair of managers who are a great asset. They haven't got everything right but they are moving things in the right direction. Give them time, I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have right now.
Embrace the shitness. Get behind the lads. Our run in seems good with the majority of games at home.
I love being a Chester fan. Win, lose or draw, enjoy the ride.
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Post by weareblues on Feb 4, 2020 10:40:04 GMT
Spot on
Wish our fans could handle losing better rather then crying and wanting the managers out every 5 seconds it’s bizarre
People forget york have a budget of around 1.5 mill
they’re expected to be doing better then us
We’re not doing bad at all this season people think because we pissed it couple years ago it’s going to be like that again it’s really not
Our fans need to give teams this level bit more respect rather then going into meltdown when we don’t win...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 11:10:11 GMT
I may be the odd one out but I am enjoying this season. I don't go to away games so I haven't seen many defeats unlike the last two season s in the conference where I saw about two wins in 18 months I missed some wins due to holy days and illness. But this seems much more enjoyable
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Post by Si on Feb 4, 2020 12:23:47 GMT
This is Chester, the fanbase will never be entirely rational, it's just how we are! I for one am enjoying the season, but what concerns me is the nature of goals conceded and there seems to be no idea on how to work on them. Balls in the area have been a problem for a while now - as far as I can see we have a decent goalkeeper but seems reluctant to come off his line which puts pressure on the defence, opposition wideman afforded too much time and space to deliver crosses, and possibly two centre backs who aren't as sharp/quick as they once were in attacking a ball that comes towards them. Perhaps the marking needs to be reviewed too. The actual statistics can paint a picture of a fairly mean defence as we don't concede too many, but when we do they are literally all the same kind of goals!
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Post by rcb on Feb 4, 2020 15:59:25 GMT
This is Chester, the fanbase will never be entirely rational, it's just how we are! I for one am enjoying the season, but what concerns me is the nature of goals conceded and there seems to be no idea on how to work on them. Balls in the area have been a problem for a while now - as far as I can see we have a decent goalkeeper but seems reluctant to come off his line which puts pressure on the defence, opposition wideman afforded too much time and space to deliver crosses, and possibly two centre backs who aren't as sharp/quick as they once were in attacking a ball that comes towards them. Perhaps the marking needs to be reviewed too. The actual statistics can paint a picture of a fairly mean defence as we don't concede too many, but when we do they are literally all the same kind of goals! Wrong personnel, or wrong tactics. Either way, it looks like you are blaming the managers. |
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 4, 2020 16:36:42 GMT
Spot on Wish our fans could handle losing better rather then crying and wanting the managers out every 5 seconds it’s bizarre People forget york have a budget of around 1.5 mill they’re expected to be doing better then us We’re not doing bad at all this season people think because we pissed it couple years ago it’s going to be like that again it’s really not Our fans need to give teams this level bit more respect rather then going into meltdown when we don’t win... I don't think people went into meltdown because we lost to York City. I think it was the nature of the defeat, i.e. defensive frailties against a bog standard team. |
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Post by weareblues on Feb 4, 2020 17:29:36 GMT
Spot on Wish our fans could handle losing better rather then crying and wanting the managers out every 5 seconds it’s bizarre People forget york have a budget of around 1.5 mill they’re expected to be doing better then us We’re not doing bad at all this season people think because we pissed it couple years ago it’s going to be like that again it’s really not Our fans need to give teams this level bit more respect rather then going into meltdown when we don’t win... I don't think people went into meltdown because we lost to York City. I think it was the nature of the defeat, i.e. defensive frailties against a bog standard team. Wouldn’t call york a by standard team be real now |
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Post by agl on Feb 4, 2020 17:31:36 GMT
By the same token, do we need these rallying cries every time we lose and there is some justified questioning of the team and/ or the managers? It's all a bit needy.I know twitter was highlighted (and I've no idea what was said on there) but as far as I can see the reaction to two away defeats on this forum has been quite measured and rational (with one exception). What worries me is the blind faith some have in the managers.
I think the vast majority (myself included) would regard finishing in the top five as a good achievement, top seven would be acceptable but anything less must be regarded as disappointing given the money invested by our benefactor and the expectation of progress after finishing ninth last year. In other words they must be judged on the season as a whole, not the bad or good games. I keep hearing that the managers are a 'great asset' and this may turn out to be correct, but they've got to be judged on final league position not on being 'good blokes'. Even the thread starter says we are 'yet to see the best of this team' - 29 games gone, so when will see them at their best? One thing that really bugs me is the whole 'embrace the sh!tness' bollox - anyone who's over 12-years-old is well aware what supporting Chester is all about.
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Post by billyw on Feb 4, 2020 18:57:30 GMT
By the same token, do we need these rallying cries every time we lose and there is some justified questioning of the team and/ or the managers? It's all a bit needy.I know twitter was highlighted (and I've no idea what was said on there) but as far as I can see the reaction to two away defeats on this forum has been quite measured and rational (with one exception). What worries me is the blind faith some have in the managers. I think the vast majority (myself included) would regard finishing in the top five as a good achievement, top seven would be acceptable but anything less must be regarded as disappointing given the money invested by our benefactor and the expectation of progress after finishing ninth last year. In other words they must be judged on the season as a whole, not the bad or good games. I keep hearing that the managers are a 'great asset' and this may turn out to be correct, but they've got to be judged on final league position not on being 'good blokes'. Even the thread starter says we are 'yet to see the best of this team' - 29 games gone, so when will see them at their best? One thing that really bugs me is the whole 'embrace the sh!tness' bollox - anyone who's over 12-years-old is well aware what supporting Chester is all about. Good post but I think you are being a bit generous there mate. I agree about the blind faith being shown in the managers, I don’t get it myself, but to say finishing below the top 7 would be disappointing is an understatement - it would be disgraceful. |
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Post by MPW on Feb 4, 2020 20:56:56 GMT
By the same token, do we need these rallying cries every time we lose and there is some justified questioning of the team and/ or the managers? It's all a bit needy.I know twitter was highlighted (and I've no idea what was said on there) but as far as I can see the reaction to two away defeats on this forum has been quite measured and rational (with one exception). What worries me is the blind faith some have in the managers. I think the vast majority (myself included) would regard finishing in the top five as a good achievement, top seven would be acceptable but anything less must be regarded as disappointing given the money invested by our benefactor and the expectation of progress after finishing ninth last year. In other words they must be judged on the season as a whole, not the bad or good games. I keep hearing that the managers are a 'great asset' and this may turn out to be correct, but they've got to be judged on final league position not on being 'good blokes'. Even the thread starter says we are 'yet to see the best of this team' - 29 games gone, so when will see them at their best? One thing that really bugs me is the whole 'embrace the sh!tness' bollox - anyone who's over 12-years-old is well aware what supporting Chester is all about. Some of the comments on twitter were a complete overreaction and anything but measured. With regards to the comment about not seeing the best of this team yet, that is just my opinion and I might be wrong (I hope not). |
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Post by agl on Feb 4, 2020 23:49:10 GMT
By the same token, do we need these rallying cries every time we lose and there is some justified questioning of the team and/ or the managers? It's all a bit needy.I know twitter was highlighted (and I've no idea what was said on there) but as far as I can see the reaction to two away defeats on this forum has been quite measured and rational (with one exception). What worries me is the blind faith some have in the managers. I think the vast majority (myself included) would regard finishing in the top five as a good achievement, top seven would be acceptable but anything less must be regarded as disappointing given the money invested by our benefactor and the expectation of progress after finishing ninth last year. In other words they must be judged on the season as a whole, not the bad or good games. I keep hearing that the managers are a 'great asset' and this may turn out to be correct, but they've got to be judged on final league position not on being 'good blokes'. Even the thread starter says we are 'yet to see the best of this team' - 29 games gone, so when will see them at their best? One thing that really bugs me is the whole 'embrace the sh!tness' bollox - anyone who's over 12-years-old is well aware what supporting Chester is all about. Good post but I think you are being a bit generous there mate. I agree about the blind faith being shown in the managers, I don’t get it myself, but to say finishing below the top 7 would be disappointing is an understatement - it would be disgraceful. I was being diplomatic. |
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 5, 2020 7:47:27 GMT
I don't think people went into meltdown because we lost to York City. I think it was the nature of the defeat, i.e. defensive frailties against a bog standard team. Wouldn’t call york a by standard team be real now I didn't go on Saturday, but people who did referred to them as 'there to be beaten' and 'bog standard'. The fact that we gifted them four goals was the reason we lost. |
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Post by Si on Feb 5, 2020 9:05:49 GMT
This is Chester, the fanbase will never be entirely rational, it's just how we are! I for one am enjoying the season, but what concerns me is the nature of goals conceded and there seems to be no idea on how to work on them. Balls in the area have been a problem for a while now - as far as I can see we have a decent goalkeeper but seems reluctant to come off his line which puts pressure on the defence, opposition wideman afforded too much time and space to deliver crosses, and possibly two centre backs who aren't as sharp/quick as they once were in attacking a ball that comes towards them. Perhaps the marking needs to be reviewed too. The actual statistics can paint a picture of a fairly mean defence as we don't concede too many, but when we do they are literally all the same kind of goals! Wrong personnel, or wrong tactics. Either way, it looks like you are blaming the managers. Absolutely. The players have to take some responsibility as there are some basic marking errors that shouldn't be happening at this level, and failing to clear lines, but ultimately if the goals we're shipping have a recurring theme then it's the responsibility of the management to address that. I'm fully behind the managers and believe they are absolutely the right fit for this club, but they aren't beyond scrutiny, and I'm sure they don't expect to never be challenged on things. |
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Post by gezzer on Feb 5, 2020 10:23:53 GMT
Wrong personnel, or wrong tactics. Either way, it looks like you are blaming the managers. Absolutely. The players have to take some responsibility as there are some basic marking errors that shouldn't be happening at this level, and failing to clear lines, but ultimately if the goals we're shipping have a recurring theme then it's the responsibility of the management to address that. I'm fully behind the managers and believe they are absolutely the right fit for this club, but they aren't beyond scrutiny, and I'm sure they don't expect to never be challenged on things. Can we stop using this analogy, what does it even mean? Jon McCarthy was "the right fit" and "got what we're about" even after rightly getting sacked some were still using these phrases in his defence! Personally I'm still behind the managers but ultimately its results that will determine whether or not they are "the right fit" and for how long, as Neil Young would testify. |
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Post by Si on Feb 5, 2020 10:38:07 GMT
Absolutely. The players have to take some responsibility as there are some basic marking errors that shouldn't be happening at this level, and failing to clear lines, but ultimately if the goals we're shipping have a recurring theme then it's the responsibility of the management to address that. I'm fully behind the managers and believe they are absolutely the right fit for this club, but they aren't beyond scrutiny, and I'm sure they don't expect to never be challenged on things. Can we stop using this analogy, what does it even mean? Jon McCarthy was "the right fit" and "got what we're about" even after rightly getting sacked some were still using these phrases in his defence! Personally I'm still behind the managers but ultimately its results that will determine whether or not they are "the right fit" and for how long, as Neil Young would testify. I suppose it is a bit of a vague term. I'd say more often than not they put out a team the works their socks off, which is what we've wanted for a long time. They communicate with fans better than any previous manager, inviting comments after games. They appear to understand the structure of the club and buy in to the fans owned concept. Well respected at this level and have won the league before, so clearly know what it takes. Able to attract, and retain quality players - it's no coincidence that players who have previously played under them want to play for them again, and also players on the radar of other clubs like Jacko signing contract extensions. The are passionate and call things are they are, no shirking. McCarthy was undoubtedly hard working and I think he meant well but his end product was a very submissive team that was drab to watch, constantly bemoaned the budget, and became very arrogant and defensive at any suggestion of criticism. I have some tactical reservations about these managers, but ultimately I think they've got us on the right track and would rather us show the faith (which the club have done with the contracts) than start again with a new manager and players. It takes a bit of time to build in this league, as Stockport proved. Last season they steadied the ship after the club almost went bust, this year we're firmly in the play off mix. I would say that not getting in the play offs would be a failure, but as it stands I think we're a good bet for it so I wouldn't want to consider that right now. |
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