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Post by oldsealandroadender on Feb 17, 2020 19:04:36 GMT
With regards to Wolves' disallowed goal on Friday. I thought a player who was in an offside position was adjudged to be committing an offence if he was in the offside position at the moment the ball was played forward. In this instance the player took a short corner to a colleague who played the ball away from the goal line for the corner taker, who was also moving away from the goal line, to receive the ball. It is true the corner taker's heel was in an offside position when his colleague played the ball and that description in the laws of the game means he committed an offside offence. But here is an extract from the offside rule from Wikipedia:
An attacker who is able to receive the ball behind the opposition defenders is often in a good position to score. The offside rule limits attackers' ability to do this, requiring that they be onside when the ball is played forward.
So it seems this needs clarifying, can you only be offside from a forward pass?
My interpretation of that incident is that it was a backward pass with the offside player moving in the backwards direction so should not be deemed as having committed an offence and the resulting play which resulted in a good goal and should have stood.
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Post by sealandender1 on Feb 17, 2020 19:37:22 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Feb 17, 2020 23:12:53 GMT
I can't watch Premier League football at the moment. It's excruciating. We've forgotten what the offside rule is there for.
I'm hoping the Chelsea v Man Utd game tonight was the high-profile VAR shambles needed to at least highlight that it's not working in it's current form. When they're microanalysing every goal, and in doing so getting decisions wrong, the situation is out of control.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 18, 2020 7:32:48 GMT
The two disallowed goals last night were correct decisions, really. The first a blatant shove, the second was offside but by a proper margin this time (the foot) rather than the armpit or nose hair or whatever.
Still, the point remains - VAR has nailed the coffin of top level football.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 18, 2020 8:36:14 GMT
The first goal there were players pushing on both sides. They're too quick to give the decision to the defending team.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 18, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
The first goal there were players pushing on both sides. They're too quick to give the decision to the defending team. You could certainly make the case that Maguire shouldn't have been on the pitch either. What I don't like about VAR is that when a goal is scored the first thing I find myself saying is 'do you think VAR will let it stand?'. It would annoy the hell out of me if what we saw last night regularly happened at the Deva. Instead of cheering a goal I'd probably end up half cheering and then half cheering again once VAR had allowed it. |
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Post by chislenko2 on Feb 18, 2020 9:16:17 GMT
They had Chelsea Man Utd on in the pub I was in, luckily for me there was a wall in the way of the screen so I could hear it but not see it.
Halfway through the second half I did allow myself a chuckle though when the United fans started singing "hello hello United agro" Felt like I had been teleported back four decades!!
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Post by Anders on Feb 18, 2020 11:23:14 GMT
The two disallowed goals last night were correct decisions, really. The first a blatant shove, the second was offside but by a proper margin this time (the foot) rather than the armpit or nose hair or whatever. Still, the point remains - VAR has nailed the coffin of top level football. First disallowed goal should have stood as Fred starts all that. Maguire shouldn't have been on the pitch either. Farcical really, how Chris Kavanagh in the VAR room has got those wrong with the benefit of replays is staggering. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 11:47:41 GMT
Needs scrapping
Never watched either game but did the Ref actually look at the replay as they have been urged to
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 19, 2020 6:33:02 GMT
Just imagine as we were celebrating last night, with the ref having give it and the lino not flagging, a message comes up saying 'VAR checking possible foul'.
Even if the goal was eventually allowed to stand, what an incredibly sad way it would be to kill a special moment.
No thanks.
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 19, 2020 9:24:04 GMT
The two disallowed goals last night were correct decisions, really. The first a blatant shove, the second was offside but by a proper margin this time (the foot) rather than the armpit or nose hair or whatever. Still, the point remains - VAR has nailed the coffin of top level football. First disallowed goal should have stood as Fred starts all that. Maguire shouldn't have been on the pitch either. Farcical really, how Chris Kavanagh in the VAR room has got those wrong with the benefit of replays is staggering. They need people like you in the VAR room Anders. Better still get rid of VAR. |
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Feb 19, 2020 10:11:57 GMT
Just imagine as we were celebrating last night, with the ref having give it and the lino not flagging, a message comes up saying 'VAR checking possible foul'. Even if the goal was eventually allowed to stand, what an incredibly sad way it would be to kill a special moment. No thanks. Would you still feel this way, if the boot was on the other foot, and say the oppo scored a last minute winner in the play-off final, and a foul not seen by the ref or linesman, but was obvious when you watched it back yourself on a replay, had cost us a place in the National League ? |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 19, 2020 15:10:23 GMT
People keep saying VAR is still in it's early stages and we need to give it time, but in reality it's something they've been experimenting with for some years now and we should be seeing some signs that it's progressing, shouldn't we? In reality, I think it's going backwards. We had VAR in the last World Cup, and although there were a few iffy decisions, I don't remember any of these ridiculous offside decisions we're getting at the moment.
We have teams reluctant to celebrate goals because they're worried they might be chalked off. I also don't understand what the role of the linesman is now. They're told to let offsides go if they're not sure, but penalties and other decisive set pieces could end up being given in cases where ordinarily a player would be correctly flagged offside.
I simply don't think the sport is compatible with video replays. Football is fast-paced, and low scoring. A goal in football isn't the same as a try in rugby, a run in cricket or two points in basketball. The most common score in football is 1-0. I can't think of any other sport where scoring just once gives you a good chance of winning the game, and that's why goals are celebrated more enthusiastically than scores in other sports.
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