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Post by tonya on Feb 23, 2020 23:51:24 GMT
What is more concerning is that, whilst we are chasing a play off place, no one seems to be bothered that our new owner is bankrolling the club and paying a lot of money for these new signings. If we don’t go up and he realises that he is not going to get a return on his investment we will end up with player contracts that we cannot sustain. We will have learnt nothing from two years ago, and in all likelihood will be in a position that we can’t get out of this time. Borderlands (apologies if I know you) there is a forum where you can raise such queries and concerns and it’s the CFU formal meeting. There is no point in winding other supporters up after a disappointing defeat yesterday as most of us don’t know the answers but in the running of the club it is very relevant and could be clarified by the Board. The next formal CFU meeting (for members) will be taking place on Thursday 9 April (I assume in the Blues Bar) and for anyone who can’t get there like us Exiles the meeting is streamed. Just contact Jeff Banks on jeff.banks@chesterfc.com and I am sure Jeff would be very happy to send you the link and also receive any questions for the meeting if you cannot be there. It’s up to us collectively to make sure the club is being run professionally and within our means. There’s no point in throwing bricks on here. All well and good Pauline but i like many here probably don't realise there is another online link to the club. I thought this was the main means of communication. Perhaps there should be a permanent link on his forum. That way there will be less confusion and disinformation. As fans we are all with the club.
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Post by keithm on Feb 24, 2020 0:24:45 GMT
We can talk about players being not up to it, different formations and so on but we are leaking goals all over the place, 12 in the last 5 games, we couldn’t even keep a clean sheet against Blythe and it’s not just about not defending corners, which we can’t, it’s also about giving teams far too much time and space when they have possession. Our forwards don’t press opposition defenders, our midfield stand off instead of getting some tackles in which expose our back 4 to last ditch defending. I think our centre backs have been ok but they’re constantly under pressure. I went to York and are defending was an absolute joke, our midfield was not existent when they had the ball, we just let them run right through us. We had conceded 4 and were down to 10 men before the managers made a change. I like Bernie and Jonno but the buck stops with them I’m afraid. coming back from behind and scoring a 92 minute winner against the top of the league made great entertainment but a team that ships more than 2 goals a game isn’t going to win anything. We need to scrap this expansive style and become a well drilled side who don’t give the opposition any time on the ball, like Brackley did on Saturday
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Feb 24, 2020 9:06:42 GMT
A little concerning that our most recent new signings haven’t really lived up to expectations so far What is more concerning is that, whilst we are chasing a play off place, no one seems to be bothered that our new owner is bankrolling the club and paying a lot of money for these new signings. If we don’t go up and he realises that he is not going to get a return on his investment we will end up with player contracts that we cannot sustain. We will have learnt nothing from two years ago, and in all likelihood will be in a position that we can’t get out of this time. I think if you read back over other posts you will find a few people who are bothered. It is a takeover by stealth. He has our danglers in his hands now, and knows if he pulled the plug tomorrow he would be able to buy the club as a white knight. What is also worrying is that since signing 2 1/2 year deals our managers have signed two left sided players (less than successfully too) when it is glaringly obvious that we need a goalkeeper. As for bringing this up at CFU meetings, you end up getting shouted down by the "no crisps in the bar" and "bring Michael Wilde back" brigades.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 9:28:10 GMT
I find hard to see people going on about Stuart Bank rolling the club. One player is his AA he bought him he pays his wages. any other players we have that he has paid a fee for we the club pay their wages. These wages are in our budget so if he walked away we can still afford these players contracts. This forum is not a direct link to the club it's basically a moaning/guessing page. We communicate with the club by firstly joining c f u then attend the meetings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 9:44:09 GMT
We can talk about players being not up to it, different formations and so on but we are leaking goals all over the place, 12 in the last 5 games, we couldn’t even keep a clean sheet against Blythe and it’s not just about not defending corners, which we can’t, it’s also about giving teams far too much time and space when they have possession. Our forwards don’t press opposition defenders, our midfield stand off instead of getting some tackles in which expose our back 4 to last ditch defending. I think our centre backs have been ok but they’re constantly under pressure. I went to York and are defending was an absolute joke, our midfield was not existent when they had the ball, we just let them run right through us. We had conceded 4 and were down to 10 men before the managers made a change. I like Bernie and Jonno but the buck stops with them I’m afraid. coming back from behind and scoring a 92 minute winner against the top of the league made great entertainment but a team that ships more than 2 goals a game isn’t going to win anything. We need to scrap this expansive style and become a well drilled side who don’t give the opposition any time on the ball, like Brackley did on Saturday I was a both games this week so I feel I can give my point of view after missing a few since new year. I thought thought the midfield two (the same two who played away at Telford) were outstanding on Tuesday night. They ontrolled the whole game, dictating possession and winning second balls constantly and then getting the counter attack going. Both wide player stretched the opposition back 4 which allowed the space for Hughes and Asante to pick up spaces and attack the KL box. From memory they only had 3 real chances, two which were taken and a point blank save from the goalie off a corner. It was thoroughly deserved 3 points and brilliant performance. On Saturday both teams played the same formation with a 4 man midfield and 2 strikers which meant at times it was man for man all over the pitch. They were much more direct in their play and got the ball inyo Ndlove constanwho was just too strong for the centre backs, it allowed their CM players to squeeze right up the pitch and join in. Every time the ball went into Asante in the first half he was bullied off the ball so it never allowed the midfield to get up the pitch and join in and when they did have the ball back their only option were to play side ways to the full backs because of how deep they were. The second half felt like a barrage of Chester through balls with the tactic looking like it was to play down the sides of the CBS of Brackley which worked. Jackson, Johnston and had terrific chances to score and it looked like if not when the goals would come. Somehow Brackley managed to score two goals in a second half that was dominated in the Brackley half. The one and only fact here is that two howlers from the goalie cost the team 1 maybe 3 points. If anyone else’s can think of more than 6/7 attempts the opposition have had in the last 2 games but have scored 5 goals please let me know. Two 3–2 games both won in the last minute albeit a win and loss against teams in the top 5. Funny game football.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 24, 2020 14:31:32 GMT
Couldn't go Saturday so was waiting for the highlights. Dear oh dear, i would say the keeper can do better for all three goals really. First one is a simple save or a parry to his left, he does neither. Second one is a corner into his 6 yard box, he should mop them up all day Third one, Waters is shielding the ball and looks in control of the situation, no need to get involved. Having said that, Waters should have cleared it earlier and Jackson should have done better for his chance earlier in the game.
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Post by g1 on Feb 24, 2020 16:49:05 GMT
Couldn't go Saturday so was waiting for the highlights. Dear oh dear, i would say the keeper can do better for all three goals really. First one is a simple save or a parry to his left, he does neither. Second one is a corner into his 6 yard box, he should mop them up all day Third one, Waters is shielding the ball and looks in control of the situation, no need to get involved. Having said that, Waters should have cleared it earlier and Jackson should have done better for his chance earlier in the game. no mention of grands embarrassing jump for the second goal but agreed on the other two comments
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Post by g1 on Feb 24, 2020 16:51:05 GMT
I felt we missed Matty Hughes Saturday offers more than dudley and has a bit about him give Elliott a go Saturday
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Post by billyw on Feb 24, 2020 19:35:30 GMT
I felt we missed Matty Hughes Saturday offers more than dudley and has a bit about him give Elliott a go Saturday When did Matty last have a good game?
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Post by Harry Lime on Feb 25, 2020 9:02:08 GMT
We can talk about players being not up to it, different formations and so on but we are leaking goals all over the place, 12 in the last 5 games, we couldn’t even keep a clean sheet against Blythe and it’s not just about not defending corners, which we can’t, it’s also about giving teams far too much time and space when they have possession. Our forwards don’t press opposition defenders, our midfield stand off instead of getting some tackles in which expose our back 4 to last ditch defending. I think our centre backs have been ok but they’re constantly under pressure. I went to York and are defending was an absolute joke, our midfield was not existent when they had the ball, we just let them run right through us. We had conceded 4 and were down to 10 men before the managers made a change. I like Bernie and Jonno but the buck stops with them I’m afraid. coming back from behind and scoring a 92 minute winner against the top of the league made great entertainment but a team that ships more than 2 goals a game isn’t going to win anything. We need to scrap this expansive style and become a well drilled side who don’t give the opposition any time on the ball, like Brackley did on Saturday Any coincidence that we since we went to a system with 2 upfront, 2 wingers and only 2 in central midfield, we conceded more goals? There is less protection for the centre halves and keeper in the current system. We've also got Glendon in there now, who's better on the ball, than without it. Roberts does protect the centre halves a lot better. He does all the covering. On the plus side we can stretch teams across the pitch now. I just think we had a better balance with Dudley tucking in, to allow Taylor to overlap. It gave us the extra body in midfield too. Against Brackley we could have done with that, especially first half.
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Post by Si on Feb 25, 2020 10:49:27 GMT
I've just looked at that 3rd goal a few times. At source, Glendon loses out in the air and really he's gotta be either winning that or taking the lad out. Glendon only jogs back so then it's Elton's turn to make a tackle which he doesn't do. Then Grand has an opportunity to clear but cocks that up. Then it progresses to the Waters/Griffiths calamity. An absolute series of awful decision making from a number of players.
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Post by agl on Feb 25, 2020 11:04:49 GMT
I've just looked at that 3rd goal a few times. At source, Glendon loses out in the air and really he's gotta be either winning that or taking the lad out. Glendon only jogs back so then it's Elton's turn to make a tackle which he doesn't do. Then Grand has an opportunity to clear but cocks that up. Then it progresses to the Waters/Griffiths calamity. An absolute series of awful decision making from a number of players. Maybe just coincidence but I suspect four of the five players you mention won't be here next season
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Post by eddieshead on Feb 25, 2020 12:00:34 GMT
Has anybody heard how the brackley defender is after being strechered off on Saturday, never like to to see that
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Post by ilshifomd on Feb 25, 2020 12:23:43 GMT
I've just looked at that 3rd goal a few times. At source, Glendon loses out in the air and really he's gotta be either winning that or taking the lad out. Glendon only jogs back so then it's Elton's turn to make a tackle which he doesn't do. Then Grand has an opportunity to clear but cocks that up. Then it progresses to the Waters/Griffiths calamity. An absolute series of awful decision making from a number of players. Maybe just coincidence but I suspect four of the five players you mention won't be here next season Why wouldn't we want Waters here next season? We're not going to want to sign a left back who would start ahead of Taylor who has been dubbed by opposition fans as "the best left back in the league" and imo Waters is more than adequate cover for Taylor, despite his mistake. Has almost always put in a solid performance when called upon this season and his set pieces are probably up there with the best in this team.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 25, 2020 12:40:01 GMT
Maybe just coincidence but I suspect four of the five players you mention won't be here next season Why wouldn't we want Waters here next season? We're not going to want to sign a left back who would start ahead of Taylor who has been dubbed by opposition fans as "the best left back in the league" and imo Waters is more than adequate cover for Taylor, despite his mistake. Has almost always put in a solid performance when called upon this season and his set pieces are probably up there with the best in this team. Maybe Waters was the one out of the five he suspects will be?
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Post by ilshifomd on Feb 25, 2020 12:56:05 GMT
Why wouldn't we want Waters here next season? We're not going to want to sign a left back who would start ahead of Taylor who has been dubbed by opposition fans as "the best left back in the league" and imo Waters is more than adequate cover for Taylor, despite his mistake. Has almost always put in a solid performance when called upon this season and his set pieces are probably up there with the best in this team. Maybe Waters was the one out of the five he suspects will be? I assume the one out of 5 was Glendon since he's under contract but I suppose there's a chance someone could come in for him
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Post by agl on Feb 25, 2020 13:10:52 GMT
Maybe Waters was the one out of the five he suspects will be? I assume the one out of 5 was Glendon since he's under contract but I suppose there's a chance someone could come in for him Yes, Glendon.
I just think Waters has had enough opportunity to establish himself, without really cutting it. Tidy player, decent delivery, but if we want to go improve the squad I think we have to look for better. In his favour is his versatility but if we are looking purely for cover for Taylor then Kev Roberts can play on the left if needs be. I see on another thread he is here for next season.
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Post by ilshifomd on Feb 25, 2020 13:20:00 GMT
I assume the one out of 5 was Glendon since he's under contract but I suppose there's a chance someone could come in for him Yes, Glendon.
I just think Waters has had enough opportunity to establish himself, without really cutting it. Tidy player, decent delivery, but if we want to go improve the squad I think we have to look for better. In his favour is his versatility but if we are looking purely for cover for Taylor then Kev Roberts can play on the left if needs be. I see on another thread he is here for next season.
Suppose that's just where we disagree. Imo he's already proven himself as worthy cover for Taylor and we'd be hard pressed to find a player much better than Waters who's willing to sit on the bench for 30-35 games a season as cover for Taylor. I also don't think we should be relying on our first choice right back to provide cover at left back as that would mean injury problems at left back could spark issues at right back and have a knock on effect throughout the team.
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Post by agl on Feb 25, 2020 15:12:58 GMT
Yes, Glendon.
I just think Waters has had enough opportunity to establish himself, without really cutting it. Tidy player, decent delivery, but if we want to go improve the squad I think we have to look for better. In his favour is his versatility but if we are looking purely for cover for Taylor then Kev Roberts can play on the left if needs be. I see on another thread he is here for next season.
Suppose that's just where we disagree. Imo he's already proven himself as worthy cover for Taylor and we'd be hard pressed to find a player much better than Waters who's willing to sit on the bench for 30-35 games a season as cover for Taylor. I also don't think we should be relying on our first choice right back to provide cover at left back as that would mean injury problems at left back could spark issues at right back and have a knock on effect throughout the team. All good points and tbh I wouldn't be too unhappy if Waters was given another year. Still only 22. All I would add , is do we really need players who will sit on the bench for 30 games rather than provide genuine competition. Don't forget we also have Morgan on the right side who does offer a proper alternative to Roberts, not just a make-do. If Matty does stay he should spend some more time in the gym.
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Post by Si on Feb 26, 2020 12:25:55 GMT
Suppose that's just where we disagree. Imo he's already proven himself as worthy cover for Taylor and we'd be hard pressed to find a player much better than Waters who's willing to sit on the bench for 30-35 games a season as cover for Taylor. I also don't think we should be relying on our first choice right back to provide cover at left back as that would mean injury problems at left back could spark issues at right back and have a knock on effect throughout the team. All good points and tbh I wouldn't be too unhappy if Waters was given another year. Still only 22. All I would add , is do we really need players who will sit on the bench for 30 games rather than provide genuine competition. Don't forget we also have Morgan on the right side who does offer a proper alternative to Roberts, not just a make-do. If Matty does stay he should spend some more time in the gym.
That's assuming he's happy being that kind of squad player. He can stay at a big non-league club like us and likely get 10-15 appearances a season, or chance his luck at a lesser club to be a regular. At his age, I'd think about the latter. From our point of view, then unless we were replacing Taylor with someone better then Waters would be an adequate back up. You ain't gonna sign a top draw full back who's going to be happy with sitting on the Judi Dench. The alternative is pushing Taylor forwards which does play to his strengths but then again we've got Jacko and Johnson that fill those positions.
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Post by chesterken on Feb 26, 2020 13:51:35 GMT
I think he’s worth another deal we have seen a fair few lads of his age on loan from league teams who have been far worse than him plus no one at the club can put the ball in from corners as well as him that includes Taylor.
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Post by happyclapper on Feb 26, 2020 17:58:21 GMT
All good points and tbh I wouldn't be too unhappy if Waters was given another year. Still only 22. All I would add , is do we really need players who will sit on the bench for 30 games rather than provide genuine competition. Don't forget we also have Morgan on the right side who does offer a proper alternative to Roberts, not just a make-do. If Matty does stay he should spend some more time in the gym.
That's assuming he's happy being that kind of squad player. He can stay at a big non-league club like us and likely get 10-15 appearances a season, or chance his luck at a lesser club to be a regular. At his age, I'd think about the latter. From our point of view, then unless we were replacing Taylor with someone better then Waters would be an adequate back up. You ain't gonna sign a top draw full back who's going to be happy with sitting on the Judi Dench. The alternative is pushing Taylor forwards which does play to his strengths but then again we've got Jacko and Johnson that fill those positions. Yeah I think its time he moved on unfortunately, he's at an age where he needs to be starting games on a regular basis and that isn't going to happen with Taylor there. I think with a run of games he'd be flying.
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Post by devadiva on Feb 26, 2020 23:11:42 GMT
I think he’s worth another deal we have seen a fair few lads of his age on loan from league teams who have been far worse than him plus no one at the club can put the ball in from corners as well as him that includes Taylor. Not just corners. He takes as good a free kick as anyone else in the team as well. Incidentally, is it just me or would other like to see Taylor stop making those long throws into the box with no weight on them and instead throw the odd short ball to someone to cross in with a bit of speed on it? I recon the latter will give us more joy than the former and if not at least it will mix things up a bit.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Feb 27, 2020 8:40:58 GMT
I think he’s worth another deal we have seen a fair few lads of his age on loan from league teams who have been far worse than him plus no one at the club can put the ball in from corners as well as him that includes Taylor. We have signed 2 left sided players in the last 2 months who are both less effective than Matty Waters. Probably should have cleared the ball down at the end of the Brackley game but has every right to expect the keeper to move quicker in collecting it. Griffiths wants jailing for that goal.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 27, 2020 13:20:56 GMT
WOW. Where is Griffiths going? Why come out? Most the Brackley player gets is a corner. Absolutely embarrassing. Waters does really well tbf, he doesn’t bank on his keeper to come charging out. Keeper poor for first goal as well. waters should belt it out but agreed he should do better Why give away a corner? shields it towards the line and if striker gets a wind toe keeper collects. Absolute nonsence to be critical of waters.
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Post by agl on Feb 27, 2020 15:22:41 GMT
waters should belt it out but agreed he should do better Why give away a corner? shields it towards the line and if striker gets a wind toe keeper collects. Absolute nonsence to be critical of waters. Waters was at least 50 per cent to blame. Point is he didn't shield it....he let the attacker get a good toe poke on the ball and direct it goalwards when any decent defender would do the job properly. Waters was weak and didn't leave enough space between himself and the ball. It's basic schoolboy stuff. You see that happening every week and the attacker never gets a sniff, invariably fouling the defender who is using his body to block him.
Any doubt, put it away for a throw or corner but there was no need for that. The keeper is taken by surprise because he, justifiably, expects Waters to do the job for which he is paid. Griffiths then makes matters worse by not covering the goal, so has to take 50 per cent of the blame. But he should never have been exposed like that. To say it's absolute nonsense to blame Waters is...absolute nonsense. The managers blamed him, that's for sure. Anthony Johnson: "The rest of it, from the goalkeeper and Matty himself is poor."
Dave Powell match report: "An awful mix up at the back saw Waters try to shield a ball out in the box when he should have cleared his lines, Griffiths showing no conviction to come out and claim the ball, too slow off his line which allowed Lowe to nip into to tuck home from an almost impossible angle."
Can't be clearer than that.
OK, it happens, move on but let's not heap it all on the keeper. Anyone else think Waters shouldn't be criticised for his part in that shambles?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 27, 2020 15:30:39 GMT
Probably slightly equally at fault... slightly. Keeper had absolutely no need to be in the position he was though. Caught in no-mans land, and would've easily stopped the goal had he stayed in position.
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Post by Harry Lime on Feb 27, 2020 18:52:29 GMT
Probably slightly equally at fault... slightly. Keeper had absolutely no need to be in the position he was though. Caught in no-mans land, and would've easily stopped the goal had he stayed in position. Keeper had to come in the end, as the ball didn't look to be rolling out. I think he was waiting for Matty to put it out for a throw. Had it rolled out, it's good defending. When the ball stops, it isn't. There was obviously no communication between the two either.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 27, 2020 19:42:24 GMT
Lack of communication between keeper and defence has been a problem all season.
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Post by chesterken on Feb 27, 2020 19:43:19 GMT
Probably slightly equally at fault... slightly. Keeper had absolutely no need to be in the position he was though. Caught in no-mans land, and would've easily stopped the goal had he stayed in position. Keeper had to come in the end, as the ball didn't look to be rolling out. I think he was waiting for Matty to put it out for a throw. Had it rolled out, it's good defending. When the ball stops, it isn't. There was obviously no communication between the two either. That’s his biggest fault Harry he just doesn’t communicate with his defenders we should be hearing him every time the ball comes near our penalty area.
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