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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 8, 2020 21:15:29 GMT
Last season we finished 9th with a minus 2 goal difference. We're currently in the playoffs with a +20 goal difference. And some on here want to sack the managers. Just because we have improved on last year does not mean they’re doing as well as they should be. Hang on, I thought this thread was started by you because you don't like the managers use of Twitter. Now it seems that's not really the issue, it's the fact you think the managers are underachieving, which is not the same thing, unless tweeting makes you become a bad manager, but I'll let you run with that one in due course. As I said, Jonno hasn't tweeted anything for the past fortnight, but don't let that fact stop you either. Think they are underachieving by all means but don't bring pointless drivel into it just to whip up some hysteria amongst the serial moaners
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Post by chislenko2 on Mar 8, 2020 21:15:56 GMT
I'm not on twitter!
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Post by g1 on Mar 8, 2020 22:31:42 GMT
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Post by sammychester on Mar 8, 2020 22:55:20 GMT
Christ, lost a game have we? We are a Conf North team, we are as inconsistent as all the other teams. Sack him, sack them, social media use, blah blah blah. At the end of the day some of you need to realise we aren't a full time league team anymore and haven't been for decades! That doesn't mean we don't have expectations..
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Post by villagercfc on Mar 8, 2020 23:15:24 GMT
Just because we have improved on last year does not mean they’re doing as well as they should be. Hang on, I thought this thread was started by you because you don't like the managers use of Twitter. Now it seems that's not really the issue, it's the fact you think the managers are underachieving, which is not the same thing, unless tweeting makes you become a bad manager, but I'll let you run with that one in due course. As I said, Jonno hasn't tweeted anything for the past fortnight, but don't let that fact stop you either. Think they are underachieving by all means but don't bring pointless drivel into it just to whip up some hysteria amongst the serial moaners Seems to me as if you’re very pro Johnson and Morley. I want this football club to be the best version of itself it can be, sorry for having ambition which is something you don’t have and accept “improvement on last season”.
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Post by Moltisanti on Mar 8, 2020 23:57:36 GMT
Hang on, I thought this thread was started by you because you don't like the managers use of Twitter. Now it seems that's not really the issue, it's the fact you think the managers are underachieving, which is not the same thing, unless tweeting makes you become a bad manager, but I'll let you run with that one in due course. As I said, Jonno hasn't tweeted anything for the past fortnight, but don't let that fact stop you either. Think they are underachieving by all means but don't bring pointless drivel into it just to whip up some hysteria amongst the serial moaners Seems to me as if you’re very pro Johnson and Morley. I want this football club to be the best version of itself it can be, sorry for having ambition which is something you don’t have and accept “improvement on last season”. Supporting the managers of our team? How dare he.
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Post by g1 on Mar 9, 2020 8:06:16 GMT
Christ, lost a game have we? We are a Conf North team, we are as inconsistent as all the other teams. Sack him, sack them, social media use, blah blah blah. At the end of the day some of you need to realise we aren't a full time league team anymore and haven't been for decades! its the way we lost I can take losing used to it being a chester fan but show some pride we lost to a team bottom of the league with a minus 54 goal difference if you except that fine
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Post by harrymc1234 on Mar 9, 2020 8:11:46 GMT
Christ, lost a game have we? We are a Conf North team, we are as inconsistent as all the other teams. Sack him, sack them, social media use, blah blah blah. At the end of the day some of you need to realise we aren't a full time league team anymore and haven't been for decades! its the way we lost I can take losing used to it being a chester fan but show some pride we lost to a team bottom of the league with a minus 54 goal difference if you except that fine I agree except this performance it has been a fine season , big ten games to go
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 9, 2020 8:49:57 GMT
Last season we finished 9th with a minus 2 goal difference. We're currently in the playoffs with a +20 goal difference. And some on here want to sack the managers. Nobody has said sack the managers. What people are saying is that giving them a two year contract extension was unwise. We did that with McCarthy and it nearly killed the club. The truth is the managers are not improving us. The goal difference is because we haven't had an 8-1 or 0-6, but otherwise we are in the same position as last season. We probably need to win at least 5 of the last 10 games to get into the bottom end of the play-offs, but on current form that will not happen.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 9, 2020 9:02:08 GMT
Last season we finished 9th with a minus 2 goal difference. We're currently in the playoffs with a +20 goal difference. And some on here want to sack the managers.
Nobody has said sack the managers. What people are saying is that giving them a two year contract extension was unwise. We did that with McCarthy and it nearly killed the club. The truth is the managers are not improving us. The goal difference is because we haven't had an 8-1 or 0-6, but otherwise we are in the same position as last season. We probably need to win at least 5 of the last 10 games to get into the bottom end of the play-offs, but on current form that will not happen.
Your hyperbole, and frequent inaccuracy, is panicky and unhelpful.
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Post by Si on Mar 9, 2020 9:08:40 GMT
Last season was progress from where we were at. Narrowly missing out on the play offs wasn't a bad achievement, this season the expectation is play offs. I'll judge them at the end of the season - if we miss out on the play offs then the season will be a failure, and the managers will feel that themselves. As it stands, we are in the play off places and could get promoted this season, so I'm not going to start getting hysterical even though Saturday was a dreadful result. Judge them on that league table at the end of the season.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 9, 2020 10:01:07 GMT
Last season we finished 9th with a minus 2 goal difference. We're currently in the playoffs with a +20 goal difference. And some on here want to sack the managers. Nobody has said sack the managers. What people are saying is that giving them a two year contract extension was unwise. We did that with McCarthy and it nearly killed the club. The truth is the managers are not improving us. The goal difference is because we haven't had an 8-1 or 0-6, but otherwise we are in the same position as last season. We probably need to win at least 5 of the last 10 games to get into the bottom end of the play-offs, but on current form that will not happen. It's not the length of the contract that is important, rather the performance and termination clauses that are built into it. You could give a ten year contract, but have a one month payment termination clause. I'd expect a league position clause built in, and some sort of limited pay off clause.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 9, 2020 10:01:45 GMT
Nobody has said sack the managers. What people are saying is that giving them a two year contract extension was unwise. We did that with McCarthy and it nearly killed the club. The truth is the managers are not improving us. The goal difference is because we haven't had an 8-1 or 0-6, but otherwise we are in the same position as last season. We probably need to win at least 5 of the last 10 games to get into the bottom end of the play-offs, but on current form that will not happen.
Your hyperbole, and frequent inaccuracy, is panicky and unhelpful.
Are you stalking me? Get yourself a hobby. We are in a position where we've lost 4 out of the last 6 games and just lost to a team who had less points than we had at the end of August. We've got games coming up against teams we don't do well against (Altrincham, Hereford, Gateshead, Spennymoor) and others who are bang in form (Kidderminster, Boston). The others we should get something from, but if we cannot beat Bradford PA these are worrying times.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 9, 2020 10:04:28 GMT
Your hyperbole, and frequent inaccuracy, is panicky and unhelpful.
Are you stalking me? Get yourself a hobby. We are in a position where we've lost 4 out of the last 6 games and just lost to a team who had less points than we had at the end of August. We've got games coming up against teams we don't do well against (Altrincham, Hereford, Gateshead, Spennymoor) and others who are bang in form (Kidderminster, Boston). The others we should get something from, but if we cannot beat Bradford PA these are worrying times. Btw I didn't say sack the managers . I think I said it was resignation territory which is not the same.
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Post by rcb on Mar 9, 2020 10:56:41 GMT
Quote from Cheshire Live - “ When speaking to the media after the match, a dejected Morley said: "I've said to the lads in there, there is only so far you can go and only so many excuses you can make.
"We've turned up with a 20-man squad, fully fit, and had to leave three or four players out. We've got it wrong, me and Jonno, ultimately, have got it wrong.”
From a point of honesty this was an excellent statement. However, it was made in hindsight and needs to be followed by a statement about how they got it wrong, and what they could have done differently to get the performance and result that was needed. That is what distinguishes managers from enthusiastic supporters. Ultimately the managers will be judged on output and success on the pitch rather than being honest nice lads.
I don’t follow Twitter, but if anyone does find anything of managerial substance, please be kind enough to share it on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 11:57:50 GMT
Quote from Cheshire Live - “ When speaking to the media after the match, a dejected Morley said: "I've said to the lads in there, there is only so far you can go and only so many excuses you can make. "We've turned up with a 20-man squad, fully fit, and had to leave three or four players out. We've got it wrong, me and Jonno, ultimately, have got it wrong.” From a point of honesty this was an excellent statement. However, it was made in hindsight and needs to be followed by a statement about how they got it wrong, and what they could have done differently to get the performance and result that was needed. That is what distinguishes managers from enthusiastic supporters. Ultimately the managers will be judged on output and success on the pitch rather than being honest nice lads. I don’t follow Twitter, but if anyone does find anything of managerial substance, please be kind enough to share it on this forum. Sorry, are you saying your judging them by what they say in their interviews or what they’re doing on the pitch rcb?
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Post by Lobster on Mar 9, 2020 12:04:31 GMT
Your hyperbole, and frequent inaccuracy, is panicky and unhelpful.
Are you stalking me? Get yourself a hobby. We are in a position where we've lost 4 out of the last 6 games and just lost to a team who had less points than we had at the end of August. We've got games coming up against teams we don't do well against (Altrincham, Hereford, Gateshead, Spennymoor) and others who are bang in form (Kidderminster, Boston). The others we should get something from, but if we cannot beat Bradford PA these are worrying times. I've got a hobby thanks, it's Chester FC, and that means I read and take interest in the views of other fans - even you!
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Post by hackett on Mar 9, 2020 12:33:44 GMT
Good job Jon McCarthy never had Twitter.
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Post by devablue on Mar 9, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
For those that don't have twitter, the managers (mostly Jonno who posts) come across very well and are happy to debate/talk about any issues around Chester FC/results. It is some of the 'fans' who are the ones that don't come across so well..
In saying that, what shouldn't be forgotten is the amount of really positive engagements that fans have had with the them, which without twitter probably wouldn't have happened e.g. questions about team selection, tactics etc. where Jonno has replied as honestly as possible to them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 13:40:25 GMT
Good job Jon McCarthy never had Twitter. He did
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Post by devadiva on Mar 9, 2020 14:27:46 GMT
Don't do twitter (too old) but am usually impressed at their willingness to talk/front up to the fans at matches when things go wrong (eg York). I'm usually less convinced with their media interviews post match - when things go wrong they often say they don't know why. However the key for me is the extent to which they have the respect of the players. It seems to me they do but for the life of me I don't understand why any managers in oor position should need to be battling to get the players "up for it". I'm not sure what more needs to happen for this to occur...after all it doesn't appear to be an issue for Brackley, Boston, Alty, etc, etc
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Post by The Swansway on Mar 9, 2020 14:32:33 GMT
Here is his latest Tweet.
Anthony Johnson @amjonno · 17h Honestly, I don’t care if anyone thinks a crappy part time football manager like me is unprofessional for being on Twitter. I like being on here, I like engaging with Chester fans, Salford fans, my Bury brethren and even the stick I get off anyone else.
No likey, no ready...
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 9, 2020 14:45:48 GMT
On the subject of Twitter, Gary Roberts has just posted this
(If it won't appear: "Hearing talk of a rift in the changing room, the lads love each other and have just lost one game, please keep supporting us every week and we will give everything for you #UTS"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 15:54:40 GMT
Don't do twitter (too old) but am usually impressed at their willingness to talk/front up to the fans at matches when things go wrong (eg York). I'm usually less convinced with their media interviews post match - when things go wrong they often say they don't know why. However the key for me is the extent to which they have the respect of the players. It seems to me they do but for the life of me I don't understand why any managers in oor position should need to be battling to get the players "up for it". I'm not sure what more needs to happen for this to occur...after all it doesn't appear to be an issue for Brackley, Boston, Alty, etc, etc For the purpose of perspective Altrincham and Boston have both lost 8 games just like Chester and also Altrincham lost away at Bradford (PA).
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Post by bluejay on Mar 9, 2020 16:30:33 GMT
Nobody has said sack the managers. What people are saying is that giving them a two year contract extension was unwise. We did that with McCarthy and it nearly killed the club. The truth is the managers are not improving us. The goal difference is because we haven't had an 8-1 or 0-6, but otherwise we are in the same position as last season. We probably need to win at least 5 of the last 10 games to get into the bottom end of the play-offs, but on current form that will not happen. It's not the length of the contract that is important, rather the performance and termination clauses that are built into it. You could give a ten year contract, but have a one month payment termination clause. I'd expect a league position clause built in, and some sort of limited pay off clause. I was talking to a Wrexham director who told me that standard management contracts for clubs in the conference is 3 months notice either way (all they paid Barrow even though he had a 2 year contract). He reckoned we would be about the same or even less so it's not as onerous a commitment as it sounds.
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Post by gezzer on Mar 9, 2020 16:57:46 GMT
Don't do twitter (too old) but am usually impressed at their willingness to talk/front up to the fans at matches when things go wrong (eg York). I'm usually less convinced with their media interviews post match - when things go wrong they often say they don't know why. However the key for me is the extent to which they have the respect of the players. It seems to me they do but for the life of me I don't understand why any managers in oor position should need to be battling to get the players "up for it". I'm not sure what more needs to happen for this to occur...after all it doesn't appear to be an issue for Brackley, Boston, Alty, etc, etc For the purpose of perspective Altrincham and Boston have both lost 8 games just like Chester and also Altrincham lost away at Bradford (PA). Get what your saying Ian but the worrying thing is we have lost 4 of the last 6 where as the teams around us have shown more consistency. Also since the end of September (24 points in 11 games) we have only picked up 30 points in the next 21 games which is the lowest of the top 8. We really need a good run of wins to cement a play off berth or it could go to the wire.
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Post by rcb on Mar 9, 2020 16:58:22 GMT
Quote from Cheshire Live - “ When speaking to the media after the match, a dejected Morley said: "I've said to the lads in there, there is only so far you can go and only so many excuses you can make. "We've turned up with a 20-man squad, fully fit, and had to leave three or four players out. We've got it wrong, me and Jonno, ultimately, have got it wrong.” From a point of honesty this was an excellent statement. However, it was made in hindsight and needs to be followed by a statement about how they got it wrong, and what they could have done differently to get the performance and result that was needed. That is what distinguishes managers from enthusiastic supporters. Ultimately the managers will be judged on output and success on the pitch rather than being honest nice lads. I don’t follow Twitter, but if anyone does find anything of managerial substance, please be kind enough to share it on this forum. Sorry, are you saying your judging them by what they say in their interviews or what they’re doing on the pitch rcb? I didn’t say I was judging them. I have highlighted the sentence in respect of judgement.
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Post by agl on Mar 9, 2020 17:56:40 GMT
On the subject of Twitter, Gary Roberts has just posted this (If it won't appear: "Hearing talk of a rift in the changing room, the lads love each other and have just lost one game, please keep supporting us every week and we will give everything for you #UTS" Classic example of why footballers and managers love Twitter. They can just spout bullshit soundbites like this, and my favourite "we go again". What about the fans who went to Bradford to support the team....did they get everything?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 18:01:45 GMT
On the subject of Twitter, Gary Roberts has just posted this (If it won't appear: "Hearing talk of a rift in the changing room, the lads love each other and have just lost one game, please keep supporting us every week and we will give everything for you #UTS" Classic example of why footballers and managers love Twitter. They can just spout bullshit soundbites like this, and my favourite "we go again". What about the fans who went to Bradford to support the team....did they get everything? He’s clearly taken umbrage to the rumour that there a rift in the changing room. Is it so bad that he wants to stop the rumours and lies that are doing the rounds?
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Post by billyw on Mar 9, 2020 18:06:39 GMT
Classic example of why footballers and managers love Twitter. They can just spout bullshit soundbites like this, and my favourite "we go again". What about the fans who went to Bradford to support the team....did they get everything? He’s clearly taken umbrage to the rumour that there a rift in the changing room. Is it so bad that he wants to stop the rumours and lies that are doing the rounds? I think agl is referring to the ‘we will give everything for you’ - didn’t appear to do that on Saturday.
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