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Post by bluegazza on Mar 8, 2020 10:07:06 GMT
Other than the players already signed up for next season, who should we retain and who should definitely go?
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Post by g1 on Mar 8, 2020 10:13:26 GMT
Livesy Waters Jones stay Asante if we can Morgan stay the rest can go
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Post by g1 on Mar 8, 2020 10:21:15 GMT
Add waring to my list and Elliott but the rest can leave
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 8, 2020 10:35:07 GMT
James Jones Jamie Morgan Matty Waters Gary Roberts Iwan Murray Akwasi Asante George Waring.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 8, 2020 12:22:20 GMT
Also... Murray Noble Marsh-Hughes Thomson
Would rather see the above in the team over Burton, Johnston, Elton.
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Post by agl on Mar 8, 2020 12:41:13 GMT
Livesey, Asante, Morgan, Waring and which ever of the kids are deemed good enough. Time to rip up this squad and get some hungry players on the way up, not old lags who are there for the beer money. It's all a bit too cosy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 13:11:32 GMT
Livesey, Asante, Morgan, Waring and which ever of the kids are deemed good enough. Time to rip up this squad and get some hungry players on the way up, not old lags who are there for the beer money. It's all a bit too cosy. Been at the back of my mind for some time but it's purely a hunch. But perhaps the players and managers need to realise just how lucky they are. Look at our stadium, the pitch, the decent crowds, the terrific away support etc and compare it with Bradford PA, Leamington , Guiseley etc Most players at this level would walk over broken glass to play for us. But it comes with heightened expectations, rightly or wrongly. If certain players can't or won't step up to the mark, then they are the ones who should be released
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Post by billyw on Mar 8, 2020 13:19:48 GMT
Doesn’t matter who is retained and who goes - while we have managers with very limited ability the result will be the same next season.
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Post by eltonblues on Mar 8, 2020 16:30:59 GMT
Personally I wouldn't keep Livesey or Gary Roberts.
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Post by agl on Mar 8, 2020 17:15:52 GMT
I think you need to have one experienced centre half. LIvesey is solid, but needs a younger, more mobile player next to him.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 8, 2020 17:38:12 GMT
Other than the players already signed up for next season, who should we retain and who should definitely go? I actually think that this issue maybe part of the problem at the moment. As far as I know the managers do not have coaching badges and are very much man managers. They operate an all lads in it together sort of culture which a lot of players like. Whilst there is undoubtedly a positive to getting players signed up for next season what effect does that have on other players and team moral ? If you are a player who thinks they maybe going or will certainly get binned off how does that effect the all lads in it together culture ? I also think that some players see other players getting paid much more that they are worth, and more that they are getting paid, and it does not go down well. I think this maybe happening at the moment with us hence displays like yesterday. Last season Stockport made it clear they would be giving all the players a chance in the National League if they got promoted. We are taking the opposite approach partly on age grounds and partly because some are clearly not good enough. Perhaps a lack of forward planning on our part ?
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Post by Lobster on Mar 8, 2020 17:51:10 GMT
At the moment, I feel a bit like last season. There aren't many players I really want out, but also not many I'd be dreadfully upset to see gone.
Straight after a game like yesterday's is probably not the best time to be having this discussion. As poor as we can be, I do still think we'll make the playoffs. If we do, that suggests wholesale changes aren't necessary - just a few changes in the right places. Central midfield would be a start.
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Post by sqzl on Mar 9, 2020 18:22:52 GMT
Morgan Glendon Livesy Asante Jackson Waters (maybe)
I wouldn’t keep any aging midfielders as my belief is that’s where we’re lost games this season, bypassing the midfield. I’d adopt a policy to only sign up to five players over 30, the rest kee young and hungry! It’s nothing against the older lads we have, who have had some great moments individually, but as a club we should be looking to make money from players not pay over the odds for experience without the potential of future sales.
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Post by agl on Mar 9, 2020 19:05:26 GMT
Morgan Glendon Livesy Asante Jackson Waters (maybe) I wouldn’t keep any aging midfielders as my belief is that’s where we’re lost games this season, bypassing the midfield. I’d adopt a policy to only sign up to five players over 30, the rest kee young and hungry! It’s nothing against the older lads we have, who have had some great moments individually, but as a club we should be looking to make money from players not pay over the odds for experience without the potential of future sales. You can add Johnson and Kevin Roberts to your list as they are under contract.
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Post by sealandender1 on Mar 9, 2020 19:37:57 GMT
Churton Blue states earlier in the thread that he believes that B&J don’t have the required coaching badges - surely this cannot be true. Anyone have a definitive answer as to what qualifications they both have?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 19:57:23 GMT
Churton Blue states earlier in the thread that he believes that B&J don’t have the required coaching badges - surely this cannot be true. Anyone have a definitive answer as to what qualifications they both have? Since Saturdays defeat I’ve seen rumours on here that there’s a DRINKING CULTURE, a RIFT IN THE CHANGING ROOMS and now the MANAGERS DONT HAVE COACHING QUALIFICATIONS. I hope none of them read this forum for god sake.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 9, 2020 22:05:42 GMT
Churton Blue states earlier in the thread that he believes that B&J don’t have the required coaching badges - surely this cannot be true. Anyone have a definitive answer as to what qualifications they both have? Since Saturdays defeat I’ve seen rumours on here that there’s a DRINKING CULTURE, a RIFT IN THE CHANGING ROOMS and now the MANAGERS DONT HAVE COACHING QUALIFICATIONS. I hope none of them read this forum for god sake. So are you saying that they do have a uefa a or b licence ? That is the level of qualification I am referring to and if they do I can only apologise as I have been misinformed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 22:13:22 GMT
Since Saturdays defeat I’ve seen rumours on here that there’s a DRINKING CULTURE, a RIFT IN THE CHANGING ROOMS and now the MANAGERS DONT HAVE COACHING QUALIFICATIONS. I hope none of them read this forum for god sake. So are you saying that they do have a uefa a or b licence ? That is the level of qualification I am referring to and if they do I can only apologise as I have been misinformed. I’m saying you’re wrong on two fronts. Firstly with your statement with regards to them not being qualified coaches and secondly by spreading more unsubstantiated rumours that are only spread to hurt the managers names or at least discredit their competence to the job. Garry Roberts has felt the need to tweet that there is no rift within the squad due to the constant rumour mongering that goes on.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 9, 2020 22:46:49 GMT
So are you saying that they do have a uefa a or b licence ? That is the level of qualification I am referring to and if they do I can only apologise as I have been misinformed. I’m saying you’re wrong on two fronts. Firstly with your statement with regards to them not being qualified coaches and secondly by spreading more unsubstantiated rumours that are only spread to hurt the managers names or at least discredit their competence to the job. Garry Roberts has felt the need to tweet that there is no rift within the squad due to the constant rumour mongering that goes on. If you do not know the answer to the question please say so rather than trying to divert attention. As far as I know Neil Hart was appointed because he has a uefa b licence and he is the coach and the managers manage. It appears Chester supporters are not allowed to express an opinion on some matters these days without being attacked by somebody.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 9, 2020 22:48:42 GMT
I’m saying you’re wrong on two fronts. Firstly with your statement with regards to them not being qualified coaches and secondly by spreading more unsubstantiated rumours that are only spread to hurt the managers names or at least discredit their competence to the job. Garry Roberts has felt the need to tweet that there is no rift within the squad due to the constant rumour mongering that goes on. If you do not know the answer to the question please say so rather than trying to divert attention. As far as I know Neil Hart was appointed because he has a uefa b licence and he is the coach and the managers manage. It appears Chester supporters are not allowed to express an opinion on some matters these days without being attacked by somebody. For a while I was convinced that “Ian Robinson” was Derek Egan. I now know that not to be the case but it’s definitely someone who knows the managers personally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 23:08:46 GMT
If you do not know the answer to the question please say so rather than trying to divert attention. As far as I know Neil Hart was appointed because he has a uefa b licence and he is the coach and the managers manage. It appears Chester supporters are not allowed to express an opinion on some matters these days without being attacked by somebody. For a while I was convinced that “Ian Robinson” was Derek Egan. I now know that not to be the case but it’s definitely someone who knows the managers personally. lol not this again. If you think starting rumours about the managers qualifications or suggesting there’s a rift in the camp (not you) or there’s a drinking culture (not you either) and that is normal because it’s a fans forum then that’s your prerogative but I don’t think any of that is constructive. I try to post on some of the games I get to, I try to put some stats up occasionally as I enjoy that stuff but as soon as I question why would rumour mongering be good for morale and general atmosphere I’m seen as an outcast who shouldn’t get involved, weird.
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Post by tonya on Mar 9, 2020 23:30:10 GMT
I’m saying you’re wrong on two fronts. Firstly with your statement with regards to them not being qualified coaches and secondly by spreading more unsubstantiated rumours that are only spread to hurt the managers names or at least discredit their competence to the job. Garry Roberts has felt the need to tweet that there is no rift within the squad due to the constant rumour mongering that goes on. If you do not know the answer to the question please say so rather than trying to divert attention. As far as I know Neil Hart was appointed because he has a uefa b licence and he is the coach and the managers manage. It appears Chester supporters are not allowed to express an opinion on some matters these days without being attacked by somebody. We can all let off steam on here. Its our prerogative as fans. I would hope club and players don't 'listen in' and take it to heart. We don't expect to be privy to their banter in the dressing room etc. We generally sway with results and performances in particular. When it appears we aren't going to go up its natural to feel disappointed and the knives come out. But no one is quicker to forgive and move on if we get some positive results. The worst thing that could happen is we all became apathetic and accepted bad results and performances
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 9, 2020 23:31:09 GMT
For a while I was convinced that “Ian Robinson” was Derek Egan. I now know that not to be the case but it’s definitely someone who knows the managers personally. lol not this again. If you think starting rumours about the managers qualifications or suggesting there’s a rift in the camp (not you) or there’s a drinking culture (not you either) and that is normal because it’s a fans forum then that’s your prerogative but I don’t think any of that is constructive. I try to post on some of the games I get to, I try to put some stats up occasionally as I enjoy that stuff but as soon as I question why would rumour mongering be good for morale and general atmosphere I’m seen as an outcast who shouldn’t get involved, weird. I agree with you, although I don’t think anybody started any rumours about the qualifications - looks to me as if the question was asked, that’s all. As I said, I agree that none of the above is helpful. I didn’t call you an outcast, nor did I say you shouldn’t get involved.
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Post by gezzer on Mar 10, 2020 14:21:36 GMT
CBA starting a new thread. Anyone know the extent of Gary Stops injury on Saturday?
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Post by agl on Mar 10, 2020 16:41:54 GMT
For a while I was convinced that “Ian Robinson” was Derek Egan. I now know that not to be the case but it’s definitely someone who knows the managers personally. lol not this again. If you think starting rumours about the managers qualifications or suggesting there’s a rift in the camp (not you) or there’s a drinking culture (not you either) and that is normal because it’s a fans forum then that’s your prerogative but I don’t think any of that is constructive. I try to post on some of the games I get to, I try to put some stats up occasionally as I enjoy that stuff but as soon as I question why would rumour mongering be good for morale and general atmosphere I’m seen as an outcast who shouldn’t get involved, weird. No, you are seen as a fan of the managers whereas everyone else on here is a fan of the club. Maybe that gives you more objectivity, but it's fair enough that fans should seek answers when we've just been rolled over by a team that hasn't won in 11 games and only has three or four victories all season. We went through a phase under McCarthy, a weak board and a poor chief executive when not enough questions were asked and almost went under. As for the rumour mongering, I mentioned the drinking culture. Do a little bit of research and you will see that it is no rumour. Is this a factor in these occasional meltdowns in away games, I don't know but I'm entitled to ask the question. Don't forget that many of us are ploughing money into the club, via squad builder, Seals lottery etc, so we have an expectation that everything is run as professionally as possible. It should never spill over into personal abuse, of course, but there's nothing wrong with a lively debate. I'd be more worried if we'd just lost to BPA and no one posted.
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Post by rcb on Mar 15, 2020 17:15:35 GMT
If I dare, may I raise a football issue on a football forum? Under normal circumstances a seasonal contract covers the period of the season. Looks like we will be contractually paying players wages for an extended period when the season has been suspended, and possibly ended prematurely. Likewise, the possibility of a significantly delayed start to next season would raise the probability of paying players for weeks/months before they are needed and end the season with many of the squad out of contract. I’m sure there is no legal precedent for this in contract or employment law. Clearly a difficult situation for clubs so dependent on turnstile income, and indeed on players for short term v long term income. Not a time to be critical of clubs directors or players. All the best to all involved.
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Post by Imperial on Mar 16, 2020 11:44:33 GMT
I wonder if contracts could be adjusted to cover the periods where games are actually played instead?
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Post by exiled on Mar 16, 2020 12:14:24 GMT
Also... Murray Noble Marsh-Hughes Thomson Would rather see the above in the team over Burton, Johnston, Elton. Marsh-Hughes Definitely worth retaining, and Murray. Both are still young and will only get better, always done well in the games I've seen them play in.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Mar 17, 2020 8:53:18 GMT
Crilly and Goodwin both extremely promising and should be given game time as soon as our fate is sealed this season.
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Post by Grimreaper on May 13, 2020 7:58:16 GMT
James Jones Jamie Morgan Matty Waters Gary Roberts Iwan Murray Akwasi Asante George Waring. Asante is out of contract now. A free agent, who else in the first team squad is out of contract?
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