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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 14:21:08 GMT
I do understand the difference but find it hypocritical to accuse someone else when you have done the same. And starmer says he would sack if it was his own party but doesn't. So you see there are rules for some as long as its not my party. If one is wrong then all are wrong or none are wrong. By the way I don't read papers get my info of the net or news channels
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May 31, 2020 14:29:57 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 31, 2020 14:29:57 GMT
The idea that most people will tolerate more death and devastation just so they can have a few drinks in the park with their mates is terrifying. Sadly it appears that the carrot of “freedom” being dangled by the government is working judging by opinion polls.
Covid-19 is obviously only something that happens to other people isn’t it?
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May 31, 2020 16:54:14 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on May 31, 2020 16:54:14 GMT
The idea that most people will tolerate more death and devastation just so they can have a few drinks in the park with their mates is terrifying. Sadly it appears that the carrot of “freedom” being dangled by the government is working judging by opinion polls. Covid-19 is obviously only something that happens to other people isn’t it? You’re correct about the lockdown being softened too early. The British public has decided that it’s all gone away, and it’s not a minority that’s thinking it now. The seven day rolling death graph was level today, although the medical expert said it was still showing a downward trend. No it wasn’t it has levelled off, do they think people can’t read a graph? The attitude seems to be ‘why should we bother social distancing, how bad can it be?’. There’s no doubt there’ll be a second peak and when the British public is told to lockdown again I can see things really kicking off, especially if there’s no furlough scheme extension. I’m not political in the slightest, but this government look to have taken a serious gamble in order to get the economy going again. |
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2020 17:34:35 GMT
I do understand the difference but find it hypocritical to accuse someone else when you have done the same. And starmer says he would sack if it was his own party but doesn't. So you see there are rules for some as long as its not my party. If one is wrong then all are wrong or none are wrong. By the way I don't read papers get my info of the net or news channels He's a hypocrite, yes I agree. And I'm annoyed with him, as I am with anyone who breached the lockdown. But, he's just Joe Bloggs from Durham, or wherever. We should not hold him to the same standards as the chief strategist for the UK government. And anyone who broke the lockdown should be denounce whoever they are. Boris Johnson and is ilk have not criticised Cummings AT ALL. They have actually praised him and insulted everyone who stuck to the guidance. If your blood isn't boiling about this, you need to check it's still flowing. |
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2020 17:43:23 GMT
Also, while I'm not a big fan of Starmer and don't think his party have covered themselves in glory, a Labour MP has stood down from the frontbench yesterday having been found to have broken lockdown. A token gesture maybe, but at least it's a start. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52867324By contrast, the steadfast denial that Cummings did anything wrong from the vast majority of Conservative MPs is absolutely disgusting. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 18:06:06 GMT
Don't deny he did wrong and if I'm honest until I saw him on the TV I would not have known who he was. But he must bring something to the party as the tories don't want him to go. Now on the other hand labour and the media want him gone. I think the media have acted badly and told a lot of lies as have the government. It looks as if he is feared because of his power. I saw on one site today even if he went he would be back next week as a freelance advisor don't know how true this is
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May 31, 2020 18:27:49 GMT
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2020 18:27:49 GMT
Don't deny he did wrong and if I'm honest until I saw him on the TV I would not have known who he was. But he must bring something to the party as the tories don't want him to go. Now on the other hand labour and the media want him gone. I think the media have acted badly and told a lot of lies as have the government. It looks as if he is feared because of his power. I saw on one site today even if he went he would be back next week as a freelance advisor don't know how true this is Yes he does. Brains, corruption and malintent. He still broke the rules, and surely should be reprimanded for it? They have not even criticised him, they've praised his actions. Last time I looked a whopping 8% of Conservative MPs were calling for Cummings to go. The rest are clearly not that bothered. What I'm getting at is are you happy for the government to be operating in that way? If yes, good luck to you. If no, why are you being an apologist for them? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 18:54:00 GMT
Not an apologist I read things I take them on board think about it and make a decision. He should have been fined yet the police said he hadn't done any wrong. I did not like that mob outside his house spreading more germs than he possibly could have again police decided they broke no rules. It looks to me like they tried very hard but failed to move him so best move on to hound someone else. Sorry we don't agree on this but I think it has taken enough time and energy away from the bigger problem
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May 31, 2020 19:45:53 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 31, 2020 19:45:53 GMT
I do understand the difference but find it hypocritical to accuse someone else when you have done the same. And starmer says he would sack if it was his own party but doesn't. So you see there are rules for some as long as its not my party. If one is wrong then all are wrong or none are wrong. By the way I don't read papers get my info of the net or news channels He's a hypocrite, yes I agree. And I'm annoyed with him, as I am with anyone who breached the lockdown. But, he's just Joe Bloggs from Durham, or wherever. We should not hold him to the same standards as the chief strategist for the UK government. And anyone who broke the lockdown should be denounce whoever they are. Boris Johnson and is ilk have not criticised Cummings AT ALL. They have actually praised him and insulted everyone who stuck to the guidance. If your blood isn't boiling about this, you need to check it's still flowing. The suggestion that any parent who followed government guidance and stayed at home if they were showing symptoms are now terrible parents is disgusting; the idea that certain MPs have “admitted” (ahem) to driving to test their eyesight “on occasion” is laughable. |
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Post by Ian H Block on May 31, 2020 20:26:02 GMT
Not an apologist I read things I take them on board think about it and make a decision. He should have been fined yet the police said he hadn't done any wrong. I did not like that mob outside his house spreading more germs than he possibly could have again police decided they broke no rules. It looks to me like they tried very hard but failed to move him so best move on to hound someone else. Sorry we don't agree on this but I think it has taken enough time and energy away from the bigger problem Aye, a cynic would say the whole affair has been allowed to fester precisely to deflect attention from the bigger problem: namely, how murderously incompetent the Tories have been. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 1, 2020 6:06:13 GMT
Spain - 96 new cases recorded yesterday.
UK - 8000 new cases recorded yesterday.
Guess which one of these countries HASN'T extended lockdown until late June and has disregarded serious concerns from health chiefs to send kids to school and advised the most vulnerable at risk people to stop shielding from today?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 6:12:00 GMT
Not an apologist I read things I take them on board think about it and make a decision. He should have been fined yet the police said he hadn't done any wrong. I did not like that mob outside his house spreading more germs than he possibly could have again police decided they broke no rules. It looks to me like they tried very hard but failed to move him so best move on to hound someone else. Sorry we don't agree on this but I think it has taken enough time and energy away from the bigger problem Aye, a cynic would say the whole affair has been allowed to fester precisely to deflect attention from the bigger problem: namely, how murderously incompetent the Tories have been. I don't see the two as unconnected, myself. The Cummings episode is a symptom of a wider problem - they don't give clear advice, they lie, they change the rules to benefit their own interests, and they don't care about the rest of us. If a government acts like idiots, so will its people. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 1, 2020 7:19:10 GMT
Spain - 96 new cases recorded yesterday. UK - 8000 new cases recorded yesterday. Guess which one of these countries HASN'T extended lockdown until late June and has disregarded serious concerns from health chiefs to send kids to school and advised the most vulnerable at risk people to stop shielding from today? I'm not doubting you for one minute, but where do you get the 8000 figure from? |
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Post by Al on Jun 1, 2020 7:21:02 GMT
So how can we speed it up. Is this your attempt at humour. By easing lockdown restrictions too early that's how. New confirmed cases per day are still in the thousands, deaths still in the 3-400s. All scientific groups advising the government are warning that it is too early to lift restrictions as we are doing. Only one way this is heading and that is straight back into lockdown. Only problem now is, people are hardly going to comply with a return to full lockdown. Any further measures would need to be enforced accordingly to ensure people comply |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 7:23:17 GMT
I have been looking back over all the posts on this topic and I feel I am quite welcomed on here. Because if I was not here the other four people would not have anybody to debate and fall out with. To be honest I would expect a lot more people to have an interest unfortunately that does not appear so
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 1, 2020 7:29:20 GMT
I have been looking back over all the posts on this topic and I feel I am quite welcomed on here. Because if I was not here the other four people would not have anybody to debate and fall out with. To be honest I would expect a lot more people to have an interest unfortunately that does not appear so I don't know why you're surprised, not everyone comes on to a football message board for a political debate. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 1, 2020 8:49:40 GMT
I have been looking back over all the posts on this topic and I feel I am quite welcomed on here. Because if I was not here the other four people would not have anybody to debate and fall out with. To be honest I would expect a lot more people to have an interest unfortunately that does not appear so Wasn’t aware anybody had fell out, it’s all healthy debate as far as I am concerned. The only poster who really seemed to have issues with other people has apparently taken his ball home, the big girl’s blouse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 9:01:48 GMT
should have said fall out in a light hearted way.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 9:04:52 GMT
Masks - are they beneficial or not? It appears that the jury's still out on that one. Why? This is clearly up for debate in the scientific community.
I suspect the answer to the masks question is that anything that helps prevent the spread of droplets is beneficial, but the scientific community are reluctant to announce that because you'll get people being stupid, touching and hugging each other, leaning in to talk to shop assistants and believing that, like a superhero, they're invincible with a mask on. It's the false sense of security masks give that's the problem.
I also think it's a little unfair for people to have a pop at scientists for not knowing everything. Scientists can only work with the science available. Science is our best understanding of a given situation, and sometimes our best understanding is "we don't know" or "we're working on it". It's better to admit that and exercise caution than to use guesswork.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 9:41:06 GMT
Thanks to new lockdown rules, from today, anybody caught having sex at home with somebody who doesn't live there could land themselves with a criminal record.
As part of a new government rule, it is now illegal to get intimate with someone from a different household. Now how do you police and gather evidence for that one and is it ok in a car in a dark lane (oh my youthful memories)
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 1, 2020 9:47:50 GMT
I suspect the answer to the masks question is that anything that helps prevent the spread of droplets is beneficial, but the scientific community are reluctant to announce that because you'll get people being stupid, touching and hugging each other, leaning in to talk to shop assistants and believing that, like a superhero, they're invincible with a mask on. It's the false sense of security masks give that's the problem.
I also think it's a little unfair for people to have a pop at scientists for not knowing everything. Scientists can only work with the science available. Science is our best understanding of a given situation, and sometimes our best understanding is "we don't know" or "we're working on it". It's better to admit that and exercise caution than to use guesswork.
The problem with masks is that the government has been saying from the start that they didn't believe that there was any benefit to the general public to wear masks. Now if they start saying everyone should wear a mask then people are going to say, and rightly so, why didn't you tell us to wear masks from the start if you thought they were a benefit? The advice regarding masks is as confusing as the rest of the advice being dished out by the government, confusing and in a lot of cases contradictory. It's like the advice regarding kids returning to school. The government has said that they are 'reasonably confident' that it is safe for kids to return to school. Is 'reasonably confident' really good enough when it comes to the health and safety of your kids and those expected to teach them? |
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Post by paikallinen on Jun 1, 2020 9:56:45 GMT
Thanks to new lockdown rules, from today, anybody caught having sex at home with somebody who doesn't live there could land themselves with a criminal record. As part of a new government rule, it is now illegal to get intimate with someone from a different household. Now how do you police and gather evidence for that one and is it ok in a car in a dark lane (oh my youthful memories) It seems slightly more complicated than that. Outdoors (e.g. garden) OK, providing you don't offend public decency. Indoors OK, if it's an 'escort' who's working. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 10:03:55 GMT
Thanks to new lockdown rules, from today, anybody caught having sex at home with somebody who doesn't live there could land themselves with a criminal record. As part of a new government rule, it is now illegal to get intimate with someone from a different household. Now how do you police and gather evidence for that one and is it ok in a car in a dark lane (oh my youthful memories) How many blokes will try and boast that they're able to have sex while maintaining 2 metre distancing? |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 10:57:25 GMT
Thanks to new lockdown rules, from today, anybody caught having sex at home with somebody who doesn't live there could land themselves with a criminal record. As part of a new government rule, it is now illegal to get intimate with someone from a different household. Now how do you police and gather evidence for that one and is it ok in a car in a dark lane (oh my youthful memories) How many blokes will try and boast that they're able to have sex while maintaining 2 metre distancing? Not me thats for sure  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 12:57:06 GMT
they say on the update .the capacity for testing is 200000 and number of tests sent out and combined tests is the daily total.if you can understand my explanation.not sure i do lol
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 1, 2020 15:53:20 GMT
I see public trust in the UK government as a source of accurate information about the coronavirus has collapsed in recent weeks. No doubt the Cummings affair has been a catalyst for this. No matter where your political affiliations lie, I think we can all agree the Government’s response to the crisis has been an absolute car crash. Just waiting for them to announce Mark Maguire as the new Covid19 Tsar now he’s left Hartlepool.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 16:00:48 GMT
I see public trust in the UK government as a source of accurate information about the coronavirus has collapsed in recent weeks. No doubt the Cummings affair has been a catalyst for this. No matter where your political affiliations lie, I think we can all agree the Government’s response to the crisis has been an absolute car crash. Just waiting for them to announce Mark Maguire as the new Covid19 Tsar now he’s left Hartlepool. I will agree with you on this one the Cummings affair has been completely mishandled and you never know about MM he always seems to sneak in somewhere |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 1, 2020 16:03:58 GMT
I see public trust in the UK government as a source of accurate information about the coronavirus has collapsed in recent weeks. No doubt the Cummings affair has been a catalyst for this. No matter where your political affiliations lie, I think we can all agree the Government’s response to the crisis has been an absolute car crash. Just waiting for them to announce Mark Maguire as the new Covid19 Tsar now he’s left Hartlepool. I will agree with you on this one the Cummings affair has been completely mishandled and you never know about MM he always seems to sneak in somewhere I think everything has been completely mishandled, unless you can point to something the Government has got right. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 16:35:42 GMT
I will agree with you on this one the Cummings affair has been completely mishandled and you never know about MM he always seems to sneak in somewhere I think everything has been completely mishandled, unless you can point to something the Government has got right. That is of course your opinion and I respect that however, I agree some things could have been handled better but hindsight is wonderful and I believe there are a number of things they have got right. Of course you would not agree with any of them as is your right. |
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