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Post by delamereal on Jun 1, 2020 16:36:51 GMT
Spain - 96 new cases recorded yesterday. UK - 8000 new cases recorded yesterday. Guess which one of these countries HASN'T extended lockdown until late June and has disregarded serious concerns from health chiefs to send kids to school and advised the most vulnerable at risk people to stop shielding from today? Invented like the rest of his figures. 1570 new recorded case yesterday, a far cry from 8000. Before you say that's because it's Sunday's figures and they are always low I do realise that but it just gives balance to the Tuesday and Wednesday figures that are always given which are always the 2 highest days figures of the week. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 16:52:52 GMT
I think everything has been completely mishandled, unless you can point to something the Government has got right. That is of course your opinion and I respect that however, I agree some things could have been handled better but hindsight is wonderful and I believe there are a number of things they have got right. Of course you would not agree with any of them as is your right. Can you name a few of them? |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 17:04:00 GMT
That is of course your opinion and I respect that however, I agree some things could have been handled better but hindsight is wonderful and I believe there are a number of things they have got right. Of course you would not agree with any of them as is your right. Can you name a few of them? I believe the lockdown was right not sure about lifting it so quickly though and also the furlough scheme I believe to be as good as possible, to name but 2 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 17:23:37 GMT
I think the furlough scheme was too generous(as he runs for cover) but they got the homeless of the streets. They made sure there was over capacity with hospital beds despite being citicized for not having enough. Then being critized for having too many. Managed the ventilater situation to a stage where we did not run out and then we got too many. Mortgage breaks. Loans to business. Yes got some wrong got some right.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 17:36:16 GMT
Can you name a few of them? I believe the lockdown was right not sure about lifting it so quickly though and also the furlough scheme I believe to be as good as possible, to name but 2 Full lockdown probably came at about the right time, but the preamble leading up to it was poor and I don't accept the "hindsight is a wonderful thing" excuse as plenty were saying it at the time. We were much more relaxed than most of Europe and went largely against WHO advice. On that Friday 13th when Ireland was shutting schools and public spaces, we were saying don't go on a cruise if you're over 70! And football would've been played that weekend if the leagues hadn't taken it upon themselves to suspend matches. The furlough scheme has been decent to be fair. After 10 years of austerity I don't think they dared be anything but charitable. Riki Sunak could have made himself the most universally popular Tory ever but he blew it with his snivelling support for Cummings. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 17:44:27 GMT
I think the furlough scheme was too generous(as he runs for cover) but they got the homeless of the streets. Which begs the question why does it take a pandemic for that to happen? |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 1, 2020 17:52:50 GMT
I think the furlough scheme was too generous(as he runs for cover) but they got the homeless of the streets. Which begs the question why does it take a pandemic for that to happen? Unfortunately, both Conservative and Labour governments have failed to solve that problem in the past, hopefully, now it will not be allowed to return to its former unacceptable scale |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 17:55:50 GMT
Why have they always been there. They were there when I was a kid. The amount on the streets has grown. I don't get into Chester much now but have been to Wrexham a few times and from what I saw there they were mainly pissed or spaced out in the bus station and doorways of boarded up shops.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 1, 2020 18:59:18 GMT
Its a documented fact that homelessness has soared since the Conservatives came into government in 2010. Its also quite clear that the means to eradicate it have always been there, as was proven, when overnight, the government gave them all shelter for the pandemic. It is the willpower that has not and does not exist.
Just shrugging shoulders and saying 'its always been there' just isn't good enough anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 19:18:23 GMT
Did you not see and hear the housing women last night don't know her name been given funds to build 6000 places to get people back into society
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 1, 2020 20:55:15 GMT
I'm not doubting you for one minute, but where do you get the 8000 figure from? Invented like the rest of his figures. 1570 new recorded case yesterday, a far cry from 8000. Before you say that's because it's Sunday's figures and they are always low I do realise that but it just gives balance to the Tuesday and Wednesday figures that are always given which are always the 2 highest days figures of the week. I see they are reporting 111 Covid19 deaths for yesterday, yet the cumulative total increased by 556. Are they trying to sneak them in without anybody noticing? As the resident Covid19 Stattos, thought you or upsidedown would be all over this like a bad suit. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2020 21:17:30 GMT
Why have they always been there. They were there when I was a kid. The amount on the streets has grown. I don't get into Chester much now but have been to Wrexham a few times and from what I saw there they were mainly pissed or spaced out in the bus station and doorways of boarded up shops. Something to do with this maybe? www.nao.org.uk/report/the-impact-funding-reductions-local-authorities/" In a complementary report, Impacts of funding reductions on local authorities, the NAO found that there is significant variation in the way that authorities have responded to the funding reductions. Authorities that have had larger cuts in government funding have not been able to protect funding of adults’ and children’s social care to the same extent as those with lower cuts. The report also shows that certain sub-services have experienced very substantial cuts in spending. Spending on the Supporting People programme, housing support and advice for vulnerable people fell by 45%. Between 2010-11 and 2013-14, budgeted real terms spending on services for young people fell by 34%." |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 2, 2020 9:12:22 GMT
The UK’s death toll from Covid-19 is on the brink of exceeding 50,000, according to the ONS. Absolute scandal and heads should roll.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 2, 2020 9:56:15 GMT
Invented like the rest of his figures. 1570 new recorded case yesterday, a far cry from 8000. Before you say that's because it's Sunday's figures and they are always low I do realise that but it just gives balance to the Tuesday and Wednesday figures that are always given which are always the 2 highest days figures of the week. I see they are reporting 111 Covid19 deaths for yesterday, yet the cumulative total increased by 556. Are they trying to sneak them in without anybody noticing? As the resident Covid19 Stattos, thought you or upsidedown would be all over this like a bad suit. An additional 445 people who died with Covid-19 have been added to the UK total following the introduction of a new reporting process. The new cumulative total of 39,045 deaths, announced on June 1, now includes cases identified under “Pillar 2” of the Government’s testing strategy. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 2, 2020 9:58:56 GMT
The UK’s death toll from Covid-19 is on the brink of exceeding 50,000, according to the ONS. Absolute scandal and heads should roll. The new cumulative total of 39,045 deaths, announced on June 1, whilst far too many, its not on the brink of exceeding 50,000 but on the brink of 40,000 |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 2, 2020 10:11:47 GMT
The UK’s death toll from Covid-19 is on the brink of exceeding 50,000, according to the ONS. Absolute scandal and heads should roll. The new cumulative total of 39,045 deaths, announced on June 1, whilst far too many, its not on the brink of exceeding 50,000 but on the brink of 40,000 says you are wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 10:43:33 GMT
The extra figures yesterday date back to April and are the equivalent to 10 per day almost All of these deaths were in care homes. Who for some reason under reports amount of deaths. Also some health authorities in Wales have been criticised for under or late reporting.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 2, 2020 10:50:58 GMT
The new cumulative total of 39,045 deaths, announced on June 1, whilst far too many, its not on the brink of exceeding 50,000 but on the brink of 40,000 says you are wrong. The government’s figure includes only deaths of people who had tested positive for the coronavirus. Whereas the ONS includes all mortalities in which Covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate, so it includes suspected cases. Also note 5 of how the ONS figures are calculated states A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Because pneumonia may be a consequence of COVID-19, deaths where both were mentioned have been counted only in the COVID-19 category. So with this in mind then the ONS figures will be inflated |
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Post by delamereal on Jun 2, 2020 13:24:44 GMT
I also think it's easy for doctors to say death due to coronavirus on the death certificate as no blame is attached to hospitals, whereas a lot have been mainly due to other reasons as you mentioned.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 2, 2020 16:21:22 GMT
I see it’s being reported today that scientists and civil servants have boycotted the Downing Street Briefing because of the Government’s under-reporting of coronavirus deaths. Clearly these so-called ‘experts’ need to speaking to Delemereal or Upsidedown to get the correct numbers.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 2, 2020 16:39:17 GMT
I also think it's easy for doctors to say death due to coronavirus on the death certificate as no blame is attached to hospitals, whereas a lot have been mainly due to other reasons as you mentioned. It's weird that none of the other countries doctors have thought to do this. Is there some unique trait in UK doctors that you think makes them dishonest? And do you have any evidence whatsoever for such a deeply offensive claim? Also, I'm assuming one of the reasons a chart regularly released is 'excess deaths' is to stop precisely the sort of malicious conspiracy theories you've just come out with. Those figures show that during the pandemic, the UK has had 60% more deaths than is normal. So 60% more people are dying than historically die at this time of year. How do you explain that? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 2, 2020 16:41:13 GMT
I also think it's easy for doctors to say death due to coronavirus on the death certificate as no blame is attached to hospitals, whereas a lot have been mainly due to other reasons as you mentioned. It's weird that none of the other countries doctors have thought to do this. Is there some unique trait in UK doctors that you think makes them dishonest? And do you have any evidence whatsoever for such a deeply offensive claim? Also, I'm assuming one of the reasons a chart regularly released is 'excess deaths' is to stop precisely the sort of malicious conspiracy theories you've just come out with. Those figures show that during the pandemic, the UK has had 60% more deaths than is normal. How do you explain that? There’s a theme running here - every single independent body (and there have been many) is wrong and the government is right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 17:04:55 GMT
its being reported that i can hardly stand up straght nevermind upside down just cut the sarcasm because people dont agree with you i thought you said friendly debate .were you and frank spencer the school bullies
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 2, 2020 18:28:33 GMT
The Government’s test and trace programme sounds predictably rubbish. Who’d have imagined that?
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 3, 2020 13:28:32 GMT
It is being reported that Health and social care workers could be asked to volunteer to look after people with Covid-19 without wearing protective equipment in the event of extreme shortages. Volunteer to die in Tory Britain. What a wonderful country this is.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2020 14:19:10 GMT
I also think it's easy for doctors to say death due to coronavirus on the death certificate as no blame is attached to hospitals, whereas a lot have been mainly due to other reasons as you mentioned. The virus weakens the immune system, meaning many deaths are as a result of pneumonia and other diseases while the body is trying to fight COVID-19. Plus, as with any traumatic illness, some will die of heart failure.
That's why we're often hearing that people are dying WITH coronavirus rather than OF it. As we know, most of these deaths are elderly people or those with underlying health conditions, but coronavirus is what's causing them to go before their time, sadly.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 3, 2020 18:29:21 GMT
C4 Dispatches is required viewing tonight. Apparently Boris Johnson told the Italian PM that the UK was aiming for herd immunity, and an Italian health minister will confirm this on the show. The lies and murderous incompetence of Johnson and Cummings will be exposed for all to see, but no doubt many will prefer to look the other way. Uncomfortable truths for Tory Genocide apologists.
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Post by paulie on Jun 4, 2020 5:22:53 GMT
C4 Dispatches is required viewing tonight. Apparently Boris Johnson told the Italian PM that the UK was aiming for herd immunity, and an Italian health minister will confirm this on the show. The lies and murderous incompetence of Johnson and Cummings will be exposed for all to see, but no doubt many will prefer to look the other way. Uncomfortable truths for Tory Genocide apologists. I watched it last night, i don't see how Boris or any of the other top heads in the Tory party keep their jobs once a full investigation happens after this pandemic. Boris clearly didn't take this virus serious in the early days, and once the penny sunk, it was too late. Shocking. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 4, 2020 6:27:26 GMT
C4 Dispatches is required viewing tonight. Apparently Boris Johnson told the Italian PM that the UK was aiming for herd immunity, and an Italian health minister will confirm this on the show. The lies and murderous incompetence of Johnson and Cummings will be exposed for all to see, but no doubt many will prefer to look the other way. Uncomfortable truths for Tory Genocide apologists. More deaths in one day than the EU 27 nations combined and Johnson told the Commons that he was “proud” of his governments handling of it. Now we know why he’s proud - it’s intentional. Most of our deaths have been of the “economically inactive” elderly, disabled, and BAME. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 4, 2020 6:28:13 GMT
I notice he was apparently wearing an earpiece during PMQs yesterday. We all know who was on the other side of it.
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