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Jun 6, 2020 9:47:45 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 6, 2020 9:47:45 GMT
The UK daily Covid-19 death toll is now higher than the rest of Europe combined, so a nation of people taking day trips to the beach are going to blame black people fighting for their lives and completely absolve the Tories of wrongdoing. Seen it already on the socials.
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Post by Si on Jun 6, 2020 12:05:04 GMT
The UK daily Covid-19 death toll is now higher than the rest of Europe combined, so a nation of people taking day trips to the beach are going to blame black people fighting for their lives and completely absolve the Tories of wrongdoing. Seen it already on the socials. The protests aren't exactly helping though are they? I don't doubt the importance of the message and I fully support it, but we're in the middle of a pandemic therefore large gatherings of people seems absurd to me, no matter how noble the cause. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 6, 2020 12:09:29 GMT
The UK daily Covid-19 death toll is now higher than the rest of Europe combined, so a nation of people taking day trips to the beach are going to blame black people fighting for their lives and completely absolve the Tories of wrongdoing. Seen it already on the socials. So are you saying that herd immunity is ok if its because of a protest? |
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Jun 6, 2020 14:18:48 GMT
The UK daily Covid-19 death toll is now higher than the rest of Europe combined, so a nation of people taking day trips to the beach are going to blame black people fighting for their lives and completely absolve the Tories of wrongdoing. Seen it already on the socials. lol. |
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Jun 6, 2020 15:01:26 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 6, 2020 15:01:26 GMT
The UK daily Covid-19 death toll is now higher than the rest of Europe combined, so a nation of people taking day trips to the beach are going to blame black people fighting for their lives and completely absolve the Tories of wrongdoing. Seen it already on the socials. I don’t see who you’re having a go at now. Are you blaming the Tories for George Floyds death? Weren’t you having a go recently at people standing too close together when clapping the NHS, but it’s okay to stand shoulder to shoulder at a protest? You change your argument to suit yourself, are you Dominic Cummings’ long lost relative? |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 7, 2020 17:43:08 GMT
I'm a bit torn on these protests. I'm annoyed by anyone breaking the restrictions and causing the virus to spread, so I kind of think now's not the time, but then now is the time, because this is when it's happening. And racism can't exactly wait until later, especially if it costs lives.
It's a shame really that this is happening now (well, it's a shame at any time but you know what I mean) as you feel that this is something a lot more people would support under normal circumstances and could be a catalyst for change. Plus I feel a lot of people are now educating themselves a little better on what Black Lives Matter is all about. Sadly because of the timing it's attracting a lot of finger-wagging.
My worry is that this is going to be used as a ready-made excuse for what I fear is the inevitable second wave of the virus. You can see the narrative being set even now. The worst thing is that they always drag out the loathsome Priti Patel to be the anti-immigrant and anti-race equality voice. The Tory logic is that it can't be racist if she's saying it.
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Jun 7, 2020 17:58:43 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 7, 2020 17:58:43 GMT
I'm a bit torn on these protests. I'm annoyed by anyone breaking the restrictions and causing the virus to spread, so I kind of think now's not the time, but then now is the time, because this is when it's happening. And racism can't exactly wait until later, especially if it costs lives. It's a shame really that this is happening now (well, it's a shame at any time but you know what I mean) as you feel that this is something a lot more people would support under normal circumstances and could be a catalyst for change. Plus I feel a lot of people are now educating themselves a little better on what Black Lives Matter is all about. Sadly because of the timing it's attracting a lot of finger-wagging. My worry is that this is going to be used as a ready-made excuse for what I fear is the inevitable second wave of the virus. You can see the narrative being set even now. The worst thing is that they always drag out the loathsome Priti Patel to be the anti-immigrant and anti-race equality voice. The Tory logic is that it can't be racist if she's saying it. Like I’ve said previously I’m not political, but this really is the Tory get out of jail card. Now they can blame these protests for the second wave rather than it being blamed on lockdown being relaxed too early, lack of testing or any of the other ridiculous decisions made by them. The other really sad thing is that the virus has already been proven to be more easily spread in the black and ethnic minority communities. I pity those in the NHS bracing themselves in anticipation. |
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Jun 8, 2020 7:46:01 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 8, 2020 7:46:01 GMT
The good thing about the events of the weekend is we can see which MPs and members of the Twitterati would definitely have owned slaves.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 8, 2020 8:04:06 GMT
The good thing about the events of the weekend is we can see which MPs and members of the Twitterati would definitely have owned slaves. You forgot to mention all those hypocrites who don't really give a shit about the NHS you know the ones who have been clapping on their doorsteps for the last 10 weeks then hey its a nice day lets all go and gather on a crowded beach or visit a crowded beauty spot, then hey what's the next crowded event we can go to oh yeah there's mass demonstrations going on let's all go to them. Now everyone has the right to demonstrate peacefully and the current reason for these protests is absolutely right there is no place in this world for what happened to Goerge Floyd but now is not the time for it |
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Jun 8, 2020 9:25:48 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 8, 2020 9:25:48 GMT
When IS the time to protest against deeply systemic racism?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 8, 2020 9:41:16 GMT
When IS the time to protest against deeply systemic racism? When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 8, 2020 9:49:28 GMT
When IS the time to protest against deeply systemic racism? When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that What if another black person is killed by police brutality this week, because nobody protested last week?
I don't disagree with you by the way, I personally wouldn't get involved in any public protests right now, but I don't blame anyone who is. Easy for me as a white indigenous Brit to think the priority is staying safe from the virus rather than tackling racism.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 8, 2020 10:07:19 GMT
When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that What if another black person is killed by police brutality this week, because nobody protested last week?
I don't disagree with you by the way, I personally wouldn't get involved in any public protests right now, but I don't blame anyone who is. Easy for me as a white indigenous Brit to think the priority is staying safe from the virus rather than tackling racism.
So it's the green light for mass gatherings if it's a legitimate protest and don't get me wrong this is a legitimate protest, but is it against racism or authoritarian brutality or both, if its the latter, which IMO it should be, we will be having protests every week with against all the authoritarian brutality going on around the world |
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Jun 8, 2020 19:07:41 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 8, 2020 19:07:41 GMT
When IS the time to protest against deeply systemic racism? When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that As someone who works in the NHS, which is propped up by all kinds of colours creeds and backgrounds, I stand with the protestors. I’m not the only NHS staff member to say so. Where is your outrage of the return of horse racing or of the expected pub openings in due course? Or is Covid only a problem when people gather to support black people? |
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Post by noddy on Jun 8, 2020 20:34:32 GMT
When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that As someone who works in the NHS, which is propped up by all kinds of colours creeds and backgrounds, I stand with the protestors. I’m not the only NHS staff member to say so. Where is your outrage of the return of horse racing or of the expected pub openings in due course? Or is Covid only a problem when people gather to support black people? To be fair the link between the return of horse racing and the current protests aren't even a tenuous link FOP. Shockingly bad comparison. |
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Post by Al on Jun 8, 2020 23:25:43 GMT
When IS the time to protest against deeply systemic racism? When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that That horse bolted the moment Dominic Cummings was found to have breached the very lockdown conditions he helped to create. We saw it the very next weekend when people packed beaches up and down the country and we've seen it continue since. For what I agree with the demonstrations as long as they remain peaceful. Easy for us all to sit here and comment on whether we think the timing is right or whether they're right to march at all. We're mostly 30+ year old white blokes. We have no idea what these men and women have been through in their lives to feel like they have no other choice but to march in protest during the middle of a pandemic |
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Jun 9, 2020 5:55:56 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 9, 2020 5:55:56 GMT
I see a team of doctors, lawyers and campaigners for older people’s welfare have issued legal proceedings against the Government for their refusal to order an urgent investigation into the shortages of PPE in the NHS.
Of course they aren’t going to order an investigation into something that highlights their abject failure - what do you expect from a Government that solely operates in the interest of its rich donors and nobody else.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 9, 2020 7:44:21 GMT
When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that That horse bolted the moment Dominic Cummings was found to have breached the very lockdown conditions he helped to create. Exactly. To me, that was the clearest example of a corrupt government I've ever seen. For him to so clearly break the conditions, come up with the bullshit excuse he did that made no sense, and for the PM and some many brown-nosing Tories to come out defiantly in support and even praise of him was utterly revolting. I simply cannot understand how anybody can be anything but disgusted about that. It's notable that things like social distancing and the Clap for Carers have been less embraced since as the mood of the country has gone from compliant to angry.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 8:02:03 GMT
When it is safe to do so surely as someone who works in the NHS should know that
We saw it the very next weekend when people packed beaches up and down the country and we've seen it continue since. For what I agree with the demonstrations as long as they remain peaceful. Easy for us all to sit here and comment on whether we think the timing is right or whether they're right to march at all. We're mostly 30+ year old white blokes. We have no idea what these men and women have been through in their lives to feel like they have no other choice but to march in protest during the middle of a pandemic 2 wrongs don't make a right or if I put my hand in the fire will you, what are we sheep |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 9, 2020 8:21:05 GMT
That horse bolted the moment Dominic Cummings was found to have breached the very lockdown conditions he helped to create.
We saw it the very next weekend when people packed beaches up and down the country and we've seen it continue since. For what I agree with the demonstrations as long as they remain peaceful. Easy for us all to sit here and comment on whether we think the timing is right or whether they're right to march at all. We're mostly 30+ year old white blokes. We have no idea what these men and women have been through in their lives to feel like they have no other choice but to march in protest during the middle of a pandemic 2 wrongs don't make a right or if I put my hand in the fire will you, what are we sheep Of course they don't, but it's naive to think that if some people see figures of authority breaking the rules, they won't ask why they should have to stick to them. That's human nature.
He and the government have a responsibility to behave better than that. If they refuse to do so, they have to take their share of the responsibility for the consequences.
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Jun 9, 2020 8:51:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 8:51:47 GMT
The clap for carers was cancelled as the instigator said it had gone far enough. It was announced on TV 2 weeks ago.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 8:56:21 GMT
2 wrongs don't make a right or if I put my hand in the fire will you, what are we sheep Of course they don't, but it's naive to think that if some people see figures of authority breaking the rules, they won't ask why they should have to stick to them. That's human nature.
He and the government have a responsibility to behave better than that. If they refuse to do so, they have to take their share of the responsibility for the consequences.
Absolutely agree with that statement and I must admit the government have handled that situation extremely badly almost like putting 2 fingers up to everybody but that still does not excuse what followed, an almost complete disregard for the lockdown rules. I was always brought up to do the right thing and follow the rules (although as a youth I didn't always:) ) and rise above the temptation to do something "just because he did" |
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Jun 9, 2020 9:23:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 9:23:11 GMT
I think cummings will go when brexit is complete. I don't believe the way he has been hounded had anything to do with lockdown more to the fact he was the brains behind brexit and the last election victory. I believe he will resign and reappear as a freelance advisor. Imo
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Jun 9, 2020 9:31:54 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 9, 2020 9:31:54 GMT
Covid-19 has been completely eradicated in New Zealand.
What happens when your Leader is a progressive social democrat with compassion and care for their nation’s inhabitants over the profit margins of millionaire corporations.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 9, 2020 9:34:19 GMT
The public's reaction to Cummings failure to adhere to lockdown rules was for themselves, in the main to go out and break them, packed beaches, parks and a general stuff you attitude with 5 mile queues getting into Ikea.
Couple this with mass demonstrations up and down the country, its almost as if we have herd immunity by stealth.
If any one is still yet to be convinced by the Governments complete shambolic approach by putting economics over peoples lives during this crisis, Sky News aired an amazing special on Saturday morning, i hope its available on catch up, its on for about an hour and a half. It is a must watch.
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Jun 9, 2020 9:44:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 9:44:58 GMT
I do not have sky or any of the other pay for channels. If people have decided they would do all the things they have because of one man then there is no hope for this country. They are either short of brain cells or have a death wish.
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Jun 9, 2020 9:45:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 9:45:45 GMT
Covid-19 has been completely eradicated in New Zealand. What happens when your Leader is a progressive social democrat with compassion and care for their nation’s inhabitants over the profit margins of millionaire corporations. |
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Jun 9, 2020 9:49:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 9:49:42 GMT
They also went into lockdown the day after the UK. You for ever quote how much better other country's are but you still stay triggered in this country.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 9:53:06 GMT
Covid-19 has been completely eradicated in New Zealand. What happens when your Leader is a progressive social democrat with compassion and care for their nation’s inhabitants over the profit margins of millionaire corporations. From the Deputy Leader who is also a progressive social democrat. The protests in New Zealand were condemned by the deputy Prime Minister, Winston Peters, who said they violated the country’s social distancing rules and called the protesters “a small group who think they know better than everyone else.” (New Zealand has been praised for successfully containing its COVID-19 outbreak, with just 1,154 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.) So a progressive social democrat condemns the protest as it violates the rules |
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Jun 9, 2020 10:24:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 9, 2020 10:24:05 GMT
Covid-19 has been completely eradicated in New Zealand. What happens when your Leader is a progressive social democrat with compassion and care for their nation’s inhabitants over the profit margins of millionaire corporations. From the Deputy Leader who is also a progressive social democrat. The protests in New Zealand were condemned by the deputy Prime Minister, Winston Peters, who said they violated the country’s social distancing rules and called the protesters “a small group who think they know better than everyone else.” (New Zealand has been praised for successfully containing its COVID-19 outbreak, with just 1,154 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.) So a progressive social democrat condemns the protest as it violates the rules Yep, that’s because it would’ve undermined their governments bid to curb and banish the virus. Difference here is our government have been practicing herd immunity right from the start so they shouldn’t be too bothered about demonstrations - they’re only bothered about these ones because it was in support of BAMEs. |
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