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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 10:30:17 GMT
From the Deputy Leader who is also a progressive social democrat. The protests in New Zealand were condemned by the deputy Prime Minister, Winston Peters, who said they violated the country’s social distancing rules and called the protesters “a small group who think they know better than everyone else.” (New Zealand has been praised for successfully containing its COVID-19 outbreak, with just 1,154 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.) So a progressive social democrat condemns the protest as it violates the rules Yep, that’s because it would’ve undermined their governments bid to curb and banish the virus. Difference here is our government have been practicing herd immunity right from the start so they shouldn’t be too bothered about demonstrations - they’re only bothered about these ones because it was in support of BAMEs. From your earlier post "As someone who works in the NHS, which is propped up by all kinds of colours creeds and backgrounds, I stand with the protestors. I’m not the only NHS staff member to say so". You can't have both ways, you cant quote socialism in one breath then go against in the next and you also agreed that with the lockdown we cannot be practising "herd immunity" |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 9, 2020 10:34:02 GMT
I think cummings will go when brexit is complete. I don't believe the way he has been hounded had anything to do with lockdown more to the fact he was the brains behind brexit and the last election victory. I believe he will resign and reappear as a freelance advisor. Imo ‘Brains behind Brexit’; had to laugh at that one. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 9, 2020 10:34:12 GMT
Yep, that’s because it would’ve undermined their governments bid to curb and banish the virus. Difference here is our government have been practicing herd immunity right from the start so they shouldn’t be too bothered about demonstrations - they’re only bothered about these ones because it was in support of BAMEs. From your earlier post "As someone who works in the NHS, which is propped up by all kinds of colours creeds and backgrounds, I stand with the protestors. I’m not the only NHS staff member to say so". You can't have both ways, you cant quote socialism in one breath then go against in the next and you also agreed that with the lockdown we cannot be practising "herd immunity" I said our government shouldn’t be too bothered; difference is in New Zealand they’ve genuinely been trying to contain and eradicate the virus so you can understand why the Deputy PM said what he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 10:47:44 GMT
I think cummings will go when brexit is complete. I don't believe the way he has been hounded had anything to do with lockdown more to the fact he was the brains behind brexit and the last election victory. I believe he will resign and reappear as a freelance advisor. Imo ‘Brains behind Brexit’; had to laugh at that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 10:51:11 GMT
Laugh all you like but it worked. And if you see the last three letters in my post IMO. Which you have said on numerous posts we are all entitled to one.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 9, 2020 10:57:57 GMT
Covid-19 has been completely eradicated in New Zealand. What happens when your Leader is a progressive social democrat with compassion and care for their nation’s inhabitants over the profit margins of millionaire corporations. From the Deputy Leader who is also a progressive social democrat. The protests in New Zealand were condemned by the deputy Prime Minister, Winston Peters, who said they violated the country’s social distancing rules and called the protesters “a small group who think they know better than everyone else.” (New Zealand has been praised for successfully containing its COVID-19 outbreak, with just 1,154 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.) So a progressive social democrat condemns the protest as it violates the rules FACT CHECK. I'm really sorry to have to give you a lecture in New Zealand politics by breaking this to you, but the Deputy Leader of New Zealand is not a progressive social democrat. The government of New Zealand is a coalition of Jacinda Adern's social democratic Labour party and a smaller party called New Zealand First, led by Winston Peters. Their name probably gives you a pretty good idea that they are not 'progressive social democrats' - they're a nationalist, anti-immigrant, right-wing party! So no, a progressive social democrat does not condemn the protest. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 11:23:01 GMT
From your earlier post "As someone who works in the NHS, which is propped up by all kinds of colours creeds and backgrounds, I stand with the protestors. I’m not the only NHS staff member to say so". You can't have both ways, you cant quote socialism in one breath then go against in the next and you also agreed that with the lockdown we cannot be practising "herd immunity" I said our government shouldn’t be too bothered; difference is in New Zealand they’ve genuinely been trying to contain and eradicate the virus so you can understand why the Deputy PM said what he did. No, you said you stand with the protesters and a leading social democrat condemns the protesters so which is it are you behind the protesters or behind the Social Democrat and don't come out with its this country because we have a Conservative Government surely the social democrats' policy is basically the same no matter what country it's in |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 9, 2020 11:29:33 GMT
I said our government shouldn’t be too bothered; difference is in New Zealand they’ve genuinely been trying to contain and eradicate the virus so you can understand why the Deputy PM said what he did. No, you said you stand with the protesters and a leading social democrat condemns the protesters so which is it are you behind the protesters or behind the Social Democrat and don't come out with its this country because we have a Conservative Government surely the social democrats' policy is basically the same no matter what country it's in As Deva Chanter said, he isn’t a social democrat. He’s a nationalist. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 11:30:10 GMT
From the Deputy Leader who is also a progressive social democrat. The protests in New Zealand were condemned by the deputy Prime Minister, Winston Peters, who said they violated the country’s social distancing rules and called the protesters “a small group who think they know better than everyone else.” (New Zealand has been praised for successfully containing its COVID-19 outbreak, with just 1,154 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.) So a progressive social democrat condemns the protest as it violates the rules FACT CHECK. I'm really sorry to have to give you a lecture in New Zealand politics by breaking this to you, but the Deputy Leader of New Zealand is not a progressive social democrat. The government of New Zealand is a coalition of Jacinda Adern's social democratic Labour party and a smaller party called New Zealand First, led by Winston Peters. Their name probably gives you a pretty good idea that they are not 'progressive social democrats' - they're a nationalist, anti-immigrant, right-wing party! So no, a progressive social democrat does not condemn the protest. My apologies my mistake one shouldn't assume |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 9, 2020 11:31:48 GMT
No, you said you stand with the protesters and a leading social democrat condemns the protesters so which is it are you behind the protesters or behind the Social Democrat and don't come out with its this country because we have a Conservative Government surely the social democrats' policy is basically the same no matter what country it's in As Deva Chanter said, he isn’t a social democrat. He’s a nationalist. My apologies FOP I shouldn't have assumed |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 9, 2020 11:33:58 GMT
I do not have sky or any of the other pay for channels. If people have decided they would do all the things they have because of one man then there is no hope for this country. They are either short of brain cells or have a death wish. You have missed my point. The arrogance and selfishness of one mans actions had rubbed off an a portion of the population. You could ask then "Was this deliberate"? Given the governments policy of wanting herd immunity, as i said this was made very clear in the interviews with the top Health advisors to the government in the programme. The Government made a dramatic u-turn on this when they were running out of body bags. By that time it was too late to save thousands of people, they know this and are delighted to see the beaches packed at the weekends. Sky News can be found on Freeview by the way. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 9, 2020 12:21:25 GMT
FACT CHECK. I'm really sorry to have to give you a lecture in New Zealand politics by breaking this to you, but the Deputy Leader of New Zealand is not a progressive social democrat. The government of New Zealand is a coalition of Jacinda Adern's social democratic Labour party and a smaller party called New Zealand First, led by Winston Peters. Their name probably gives you a pretty good idea that they are not 'progressive social democrats' - they're a nationalist, anti-immigrant, right-wing party! So no, a progressive social democrat does not condemn the protest. My apologies my mistake one shouldn't assume Easy mistake to make to be fair and it is a bit of an odd coalition on the face of it! Peters has been around forever in New Zealand and his party have often held the balance of power. They've been in coalition with both the Labour party and the National party before. I think they're more populist than anything so they're happy to take advantage of the political tides! |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 10, 2020 14:16:12 GMT
The clap for carers was cancelled as the instigator said it had gone far enough. It was announced on TV 2 weeks ago. True but I get the impression it was fizzling out anyway. I think a lot of the bonhomie of the early stages of lockdown has been replaced by frustration and resentment now. People would keep it going if the mood was still there. On another note, I've more or less given up on the coronavirus briefings, but I caught yesterday's and I thought Alok Sharma died on his arse. Couldn't answer a single question the journalists were asking and just kept repeating the same wishy-washy nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 14:36:39 GMT
I turned over to watch pointless got fed up of the same question being repeatedly asked. If they watched the news before they would already have the answer.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 10, 2020 15:24:12 GMT
I turned over to watch pointless got fed up of the same question being repeatedly asked. If they watched the news before they would already have the answer. To be fair to the journalists, a lot of the questions need only be asked once if the politicians were to answer them properly. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 10, 2020 15:27:32 GMT
I turned over to watch pointless got fed up of the same question being repeatedly asked. If they watched the news before they would already have the answer. To be fair to the journalists, a lot of the questions need only be asked once if the politicians were to answer them properly. Whenever has any Politician answered a question properly |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 10, 2020 15:51:49 GMT
To be fair to the journalists, a lot of the questions need only be asked once if the politicians were to answer them properly. Whenever has any Politician answered a question properly To be fair to Jeremy Corbyn, he always tried to give thoughtful answers to any question put to him. Clearly not what a large section of society who prefer simple slogans and empty rhetoric, wanted to hear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 17:38:47 GMT
This Neil Ferguson is good one. He says if we locked down 1 week earlier we would have halved the amount of deaths. Why has he waited eleven weeks to tell us.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 10, 2020 17:58:37 GMT
Plenty of people were saying the very same even on this forum, well before we locked down. It didn't take a scientist to realise that - but good on him for saying it.
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Post by superman on Jun 10, 2020 18:11:42 GMT
This Neil Ferguson is good one. He says if we locked down 1 week earlier we would have halved the amount of deaths. Why has he waited eleven weeks to tell us. Probably because he didn’t have all the data 11 weeks ago. Historical data from this pandemic is still being analysed. The scientists learn all the time, and retrospectively can reflect on what could have been done differently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 18:17:03 GMT
Everyone had an opinion on lockdown they all wanted it. Two weeks later they didn't.unfortunately not everyone is right and as the scientists said today yes mistakes are made but they are still learning about covid it was totally new to them all.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 10, 2020 18:47:19 GMT
Yet the government just did whatever the eff they wanted to do anyway.
Second worst death rate in the entire world.
Unforgivable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 18:56:36 GMT
On the 13th of March sage scientists voted unanimously that it was too early to lockdown and advised the government of their findings
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 10, 2020 19:11:51 GMT
Given King Eugenics Cummings involvement on the SAGE committee you have to question what came out of those discussions. The scientists always looked uncomfortable and almost shackled at the daily press conferences, as if they wanted to scream out what they really thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 19:17:00 GMT
I don't have to question anything. Why should I not believe them there were five of them.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 10, 2020 19:37:33 GMT
I don't have to question anything. Why should I not believe them there were five of them. Probably why you hold the “opinions” you do if you never question anything you’re told. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 19:41:54 GMT
Thank you. it's not about me so please don't make it personal
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 10, 2020 22:29:44 GMT
Channel 4 News tonight saying that Imperial College advised the Government in the starkest possible terms that it should lockdown immediately on 9 March. Nobody has denied this and given that Boris Johnson only announced lockdown on 23 March, a full 14 days later, the Tories really do have blood on their hands.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 11, 2020 6:09:51 GMT
The decision to prioritise the economy over people’s lives hasn’t worked - it transpires that not only has the U.K. recorded the worst death toll in Europe but we’ve also taken the biggest economic hit in the OECD (projected change in GDP).
Even the financial experts have said it would’ve been better for the economy had we locked down immediately and stringently, for four to six weeks or so, saving tens of thousands of lives and being able to come out of it quicker for the economy to recover.
An abject Tory failure on both counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 7:02:28 GMT
You two go your way I'll go with what we had at the time. Do you honestly think the government and the scientists read this thread.you have an opinion and no doubt Frank has been up all night trying to find something to prove the UK scientists wrong. I am sorry for you that your party was defeated in the last three elections. But your bitterness is not a good look. I am now on my way out for a day's fishing
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