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Jun 11, 2020 7:11:26 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 11, 2020 7:11:26 GMT
You two go your way I'll go with what we had at the time. Do you honestly think the government and the scientists read this thread.you have an opinion and no doubt Frank has been up all night trying to find something to prove the UK scientists wrong. I am sorry for you that your party was defeated in the last three elections. But your bitterness is not a good look. I am now on my way out for a day's fishing U.K. scientists right, Tory politicians wrong. Not a difficult concept really. |
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Jun 11, 2020 7:43:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 11, 2020 7:43:30 GMT
You two go your way I'll go with what we had at the time. Do you honestly think the government and the scientists read this thread.you have an opinion and no doubt Frank has been up all night trying to find something to prove the UK scientists wrong. I am sorry for you that your party was defeated in the last three elections. But your bitterness is not a good look. I am now on my way out for a day's fishing I think you’ve missed the point I was making - the scientists were RIGHT, not wrong. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 11, 2020 8:32:19 GMT
The decision to prioritise the economy over people’s lives hasn’t worked - it transpires that not only has the U.K. recorded the worst death toll in Europe but we’ve also taken the biggest economic hit in the OECD (projected change in GDP). Even the financial experts have said it would’ve been better for the economy had we locked down immediately and stringently, for four to six weeks or so, saving tens of thousands of lives and being able to come out of it quicker for the economy to recover. An abject Tory failure on both counts. To be fair it's easy to say that the economy would have been better if it had been closed down earlier after the event. I'm not doubting the word of the financial experts but hindsight is a wonderful thing. |
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Jun 11, 2020 8:39:52 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 11, 2020 8:39:52 GMT
The decision to prioritise the economy over people’s lives hasn’t worked - it transpires that not only has the U.K. recorded the worst death toll in Europe but we’ve also taken the biggest economic hit in the OECD (projected change in GDP). Even the financial experts have said it would’ve been better for the economy had we locked down immediately and stringently, for four to six weeks or so, saving tens of thousands of lives and being able to come out of it quicker for the economy to recover. An abject Tory failure on both counts. To be fair it's easy to say that the economy would have been better if it had been closed down earlier after the event. I'm not doubting the word of the financial experts but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I agree with your point; however the government were advised in no uncertain terms to “LOCK DOWN NOW” two weeks (and a Cheltenham festival and a Liverpool vs Atletico match) before they did. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 11, 2020 9:00:46 GMT
To be fair it's easy to say that the economy would have been better if it had been closed down earlier after the event. I'm not doubting the word of the financial experts but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I agree with your point; however the government were advised in no uncertain terms to “LOCK DOWN NOW” two weeks (and a Cheltenham festival and a Liverpool vs Atletico match) before they did. Don't get me wrong I agree with your point regarding the ignoring of the scientists. Obviously if the government were given that advice from their scientists and they chose to ignore it then that is unforgiveable, given that they've said all along that they would 'follow scientific advice' . I thought the Cheltenham Festival and the Liverpool v Athletico match going ahead were ridiculous, but to be honest I can't remember if I thought it was ridiculous at the time or a week later when it became apparent how serious the pandemic was going to be. Personally I thought, early March, that it was going to be some kind of 'super flu' that would go away in due course. Although I didn't have a team of scientific advisors telling me how serious it was going to be. As has been said many times during this thread, from both political sides of the argument. The government have made some right f**k up during this crisis, I say this as someone who's dad is currently in a care home, and you'd like to think that if/when there is a second wave they will not make the same mistakes again. But I still think that experts coming out after the event and making statements regarding the timing of the lockdown and the economy is all well and good after the event. |
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Jun 11, 2020 9:33:44 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 11, 2020 9:33:44 GMT
I agree with your point; however the government were advised in no uncertain terms to “LOCK DOWN NOW” two weeks (and a Cheltenham festival and a Liverpool vs Atletico match) before they did. Don't get me wrong I agree with your point regarding the ignoring of the scientists. Obviously if the government were given that advice from their scientists and they chose to ignore it then that is unforgiveable, given that they've said all along that they would 'follow scientific advice' . I thought the Cheltenham Festival and the Liverpool v Athletico match going ahead were ridiculous, but to be honest I can't remember if I thought it was ridiculous at the time or a week later when it became apparent how serious the pandemic was going to be. Personally I thought, early March, that it was going to be some kind of 'super flu' that would go away in due course. Although I didn't have a team of scientific advisors telling me how serious it was going to be. As has been said many times during this thread, from both political sides of the argument. The government have made some right f**k up during this crisis, I say this as someone who's dad is currently in a care home, and you'd like to think that if/when there is a second wave they will not make the same mistakes again. But I still think that experts coming out after the event and making statements regarding the timing of the lockdown and the economy is all well and good after the event. Scientists were saying it before, during and after the event. Not helped by the fact that Johnson is on record as saying he doesn’t read scientific papers. The guy is asleep at the wheel and should be prosecuted for criminal negligence. |
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Jun 11, 2020 10:07:53 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 11, 2020 10:07:53 GMT
Don't get me wrong I agree with your point regarding the ignoring of the scientists. Obviously if the government were given that advice from their scientists and they chose to ignore it then that is unforgiveable, given that they've said all along that they would 'follow scientific advice' . I thought the Cheltenham Festival and the Liverpool v Athletico match going ahead were ridiculous, but to be honest I can't remember if I thought it was ridiculous at the time or a week later when it became apparent how serious the pandemic was going to be. Personally I thought, early March, that it was going to be some kind of 'super flu' that would go away in due course. Although I didn't have a team of scientific advisors telling me how serious it was going to be. As has been said many times during this thread, from both political sides of the argument. The government have made some right f**k up during this crisis, I say this as someone who's dad is currently in a care home, and you'd like to think that if/when there is a second wave they will not make the same mistakes again. But I still think that experts coming out after the event and making statements regarding the timing of the lockdown and the economy is all well and good after the event. Scientists were saying it before, during and after the event. Not helped by the fact that Johnson is on record as saying he doesn’t read scientific papers. The guy is asleep at the wheel and should be prosecuted for criminal negligence. You need to read the previous posts again. I was commenting about the economic experts comments/statements not the scientific experts. |
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Jun 11, 2020 12:17:55 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 11, 2020 12:17:55 GMT
Scientists were saying it before, during and after the event. Not helped by the fact that Johnson is on record as saying he doesn’t read scientific papers. The guy is asleep at the wheel and should be prosecuted for criminal negligence. You need to read the previous posts again. I was commenting about the economic experts comments/statements not the scientific experts. I doubt very much that any economic forecasters could have predicted how badly the Government has handled this crisis. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 11, 2020 16:05:13 GMT
So a child living with one parent can now visit two grandparents who are living together, but a child living with two parents can only visit a grandparent who is living alone.
More deliberately ambiguous and confusing messaging to shunt the blame onto the general public if the numbers get worse...
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Post by Si on Jun 11, 2020 17:58:01 GMT
So a child living with one parent can now visit two grandparents who are living together, but a child living with two parents can only visit a grandparent who is living alone. More deliberately ambiguous and confusing messaging to shunt the blame onto the general public if the numbers get worse... I got a headache trying to get my head around it all. Totally confusing bollocks at a point where people need a bit of clarity, especially after the famous ‘don’t go out but go to work but don’t get the bus’ statement. I think I’ll just back my own common sense to do what I feel is appropriate, in the lack of clear guidance from the government. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 11, 2020 19:38:33 GMT
You do almost wonder if the ambiguity is deliberate so that almost anyone can be blamed (Joe Public) or absolved (Dominic Cummings) as the government sees fit.
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Jun 11, 2020 23:44:35 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 11, 2020 23:44:35 GMT
The UK economy allows 54 billionaires to live tax-free whilst taking away mobility from disabled people and school dinners away from children.
The economy has been broken for years. COVID-19 simply exposed this.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 12, 2020 8:40:13 GMT
The UK economy allows 54 billionaires to live tax-free whilst taking away mobility from disabled people and school dinners away from children. The economy has been broken for years. COVID-19 simply exposed this. How the hell can the UK economy allow them to live in tax havens they are free to live where they want and that began when Labour were charging them 19/6 (971/2p) in the pound super tax yes they should pay a lot more tax than the ordinary working man but you have to leave them with something |
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Jun 12, 2020 9:16:45 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 12, 2020 9:16:45 GMT
The UK economy allows 54 billionaires to live tax-free whilst taking away mobility from disabled people and school dinners away from children. The economy has been broken for years. COVID-19 simply exposed this. How the hell can the UK economy allow them to live in tax havens they are free to live where they want and that began when Labour were charging them 19/6 (971/2p) in the pound super tax yes they should pay a lot more tax than the ordinary working man but you have to leave them with something Yeah, wouldn’t want them going hungry. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 12, 2020 9:26:30 GMT
How the hell can the UK economy allow them to live in tax havens they are free to live where they want and that began when Labour were charging them 19/6 (971/2p) in the pound super tax yes they should pay a lot more tax than the ordinary working man but you have to leave them with something Yeah, wouldn’t want them going hungry. No mate we do't want them walking away either |
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Jun 12, 2020 9:32:58 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 12, 2020 9:32:58 GMT
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realise you were a billionaire. Are you a CFU member? 🤞🤞🤞
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Jun 12, 2020 9:33:24 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 12, 2020 9:33:24 GMT
Yeah, wouldn’t want them going hungry. No mate we do't want them walking away either Waking away from what? If they don’t offer anything... |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 12, 2020 9:43:32 GMT
Unfortunately these people provide jobs for millions of people just look at the arsehole that is Branson how many does he employ
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 12, 2020 9:47:00 GMT
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realise you were a billionaire. Are you a CFU member? 🤞🤞🤞 If I were a billionaire mate CFC would have the finest stadium in the best location the planners would allow and a pledge that would keep our club alive and thriving for years. Unfortunately, I am just a pensioner who has worked and paid standard tax rate for nigh on 50 years |
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Jun 12, 2020 10:33:57 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 12, 2020 10:33:57 GMT
Unfortunately these people provide jobs for millions of people just look at the arsehole that is Branson how many does he employ Branson is just a parasite, feeding off the public finances. He makes his money by providing crap services for outsourced contracts whilst paying poverty wages. It’s a myth (probably put out by his PR team and lapped up by the Tory Press) that he’s some kind of brilliant entrepreneur. If he wasn’t here we might get better public services paying decent wages to their staff. |
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Jun 12, 2020 10:36:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 12, 2020 10:36:32 GMT
Branson is the torch bearer for brilliant billionaire philanthropist citizens - he’s a tax exile who sued the NHS for millions because his company weren’t awarded a contract, whilst threatening his staff with job losses and asking the government for a massive bailout at the same time.
What a lad x
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 12, 2020 10:48:19 GMT
Branson is the torch bearer for brilliant billionaire philanthropist citizens - he’s a tax exile who sued the NHS for millions because his company weren’t awarded a contract, whilst threatening his staff with job losses and asking the government for a massive bailout at the same time. What a lad x Which is why I said he was an areshole |
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Jun 12, 2020 11:05:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 12, 2020 11:05:32 GMT
And it’s why I said he offers nothing to the country.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 12, 2020 11:22:57 GMT
Unfortunately these people provide jobs for millions of people just look at the arsehole that is Branson how many does he employ Another way of looking at is that people like him put thousands of small companies out of business, hurting the economy and keeping wage growth low.
If large tax-dodging companies like Amazon, Virgin etc didn't exist, people would still need their services, so they would just get them from somewhere else. They don't magically create jobs, they take them off other employers.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 16, 2020 8:53:06 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 16, 2020 12:35:14 GMT
"A former minister told the Mail that fears the UK was heading for a no-deal Brexit led to THRCC (Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee) being scrapped in late 2018 by Sir Mark", hardly 6months and hindsight is wonderful |
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Jun 16, 2020 12:41:02 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 16, 2020 12:41:02 GMT
"A former minister told the Mail that fears the UK was heading for a no-deal Brexit led to THRCC (Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee) being scrapped in late 2018 by Sir Mark", hardly 6months and hindsight is wonderful Oh that’s ok then 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 16, 2020 14:56:39 GMT
"A former minister told the Mail that fears the UK was heading for a no-deal Brexit led to THRCC (Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee) being scrapped in late 2018 by Sir Mark", hardly 6months and hindsight is wonderful To be fair even if the pandemic didn't happen, you'd have thought that any committee that dealt with 'Threats' would be essential during these times of terrorist attacks. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 16, 2020 15:18:02 GMT
"A former minister told the Mail that fears the UK was heading for a no-deal Brexit led to THRCC (Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee) being scrapped in late 2018 by Sir Mark", hardly 6months and hindsight is wonderful To be fair even if the pandemic didn't happen, you'd have thought that any committee that dealt with 'Threats' would be essential during these times of terrorist attacks. Indeed. "Hindsight is wonderful" is no excuse. Would you say that if a building burned down because it had no smoke alarms? If they have to scrap essential teams to "focus on Brexit", then Brexit is inoperable as far as I'm concerned. I still think the government should apologise to the nation for a poorly though out referendum that included a promise they couldn't responsibly deliver. Of course, that would require some degree of courage and humility - two qualities they don't have. |
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Jun 16, 2020 16:24:53 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 16, 2020 16:24:53 GMT
"A former minister told the Mail that fears the UK was heading for a no-deal Brexit led to THRCC (Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee) being scrapped in late 2018 by Sir Mark", hardly 6months and hindsight is wonderful Aye, and a no-deal Brexshit promises absolutely no threats at all to trade or economic security. |
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