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Post by dmcnally on Mar 25, 2020 1:34:06 GMT
Can't help but think this is the sort of thing that should be in writing somewhere. There are all sorts of reasons why a season might not finish, whether it's a pandemic like this, war, or the league going bust. Put something in the constitution saying if the competition can't finish it goes on points per game, the league is voided or whatever. If teams don't like it, tough, they've agreed to it by joining. I support points per game myself. If you've left it too long to start playing that's the risk you take. You're right but there will certainly be a precedent set after this. It's situational though i.e. number of games played, severity of the pandemic etc.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 25, 2020 6:59:29 GMT
Might help the clubs if the season did end now, as contracts could then be terminated, helping clubs to survive. Doesn't sound very fair for the players, but keeps clubs going for future seasons.
Only the same as firms laying people off while they are closed for business. Hopefully they'll be some announcement on employees with fixed term contracts from the government today. That may clarify things.
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Post by superman on Mar 25, 2020 8:26:55 GMT
Levels 3 to 7 have taken the decIsion to terminate the season, but National League wish to complete later. It seems that once again selfish interest by some clubs at our level is trying to outweigh common sense and the common good. It would be interesting to know what our clubs formal view is.
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Post by devablue on Mar 25, 2020 11:26:01 GMT
Here's my take on what should happen now. Standard season is ended, final table based on PPG. King's Lynn Champions. If the six playoff clubs can report a full bill of health for their players, management and staff, playoffs are thrashed out behind closed doors. The playoffs typically only last about 10 days, so we could have this done before the end of the standard season on 25th April, and crucially, before player contracts expire. Over a month to get these games done. There are issues with this solution- i.e what if a player gets symptoms in the middle of the playoffs, do their team forfeit? Are the playoffs suspended like the season, then it gets to late April and the players are no longer contracted and they have to void it?! It's the fairest conclusion I can think of though... Just to counter-argue this, PPG is still not an entirely fair measure as some teams will have had more difficult fixtures and others less difficult.
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 25, 2020 11:41:00 GMT
Levels 3 to 7 have taken the decIsion to terminate the season, but National League wish to complete later. It seems that once again selfish interest by some clubs at our level is trying to outweigh common sense and the common good. It would be interesting to know what our clubs formal view is. I think the voting system is skewed very much in favour of the National League Premier clubs. They all have one vote each and I think the NLN and NLS have four votes each. The issue could be the promotion places to the EFL. Until the EFL make a decision the National League will be loathe to. There will also be a large number of clubs in the Premier whose player contract end on June 30th unlike NLN and NLS where most will end April 30th. I agree with the selfishness argument. This starts at the top and has a knock on effect to the EFL and National League. The sooner the better the Premier League accept the season is over and goes for PPG to decide things. That way everybody else can do the same. They need to take the financial hit re brodcasting money and look at the big picture.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 25, 2020 12:19:26 GMT
Levels 3 to 7 have taken the decIsion to terminate the season, but National League wish to complete later. It seems that once again selfish interest by some clubs at our level is trying to outweigh common sense and the common good. It would be interesting to know what our clubs formal view is. I think the voting system is skewed very much in favour of the National League Premier clubs. They all have one vote each and I think the NLN and NLS have four votes each. The issue could be the promotion places to the EFL. Until the EFL make a decision the National League will be loathe to. There will also be a large number of clubs in the Premier whose player contract end on June 30th unlike NLN and NLS where most will end April 30th. I agree with the selfishness argument. This starts at the top and has a knock on effect to the EFL and National League. The sooner the better the Premier League accept the season is over and goes for PPG to decide things. That way everybody else can do the same. They need to take the financial hit re brodcasting money and look at the big picture. There is no way any club will accept relegation from the Premier League based on PPG. The loss would be £100m for each season they stay relegated. They may accept season is over. The result of the ending is more problematic. Realistically that is the one league where games may possibly get played, as they could all be on tv. Thst brings revenue in. Obvious issue is travel for the away team, and holding at corners!
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 25, 2020 12:47:59 GMT
Here's my take on what should happen now. Standard season is ended, final table based on PPG. King's Lynn Champions. If the six playoff clubs can report a full bill of health for their players, management and staff, playoffs are thrashed out behind closed doors. The playoffs typically only last about 10 days, so we could have this done before the end of the standard season on 25th April, and crucially, before player contracts expire. Over a month to get these games done. There are issues with this solution- i.e what if a player gets symptoms in the middle of the playoffs, do their team forfeit? Are the playoffs suspended like the season, then it gets to late April and the players are no longer contracted and they have to void it?! It's the fairest conclusion I can think of though... Just to counter-argue this, PPG is still not an entirely fair measure as some teams will have had more difficult fixtures and others less difficult. Only 9-10 games to go, if we were 9-10 games into the season everyone would say void it as that’s not enough games to decide anything... surely counts for something the other way round in this situation!
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 25, 2020 13:38:14 GMT
I think the voting system is skewed very much in favour of the National League Premier clubs. They all have one vote each and I think the NLN and NLS have four votes each. The issue could be the promotion places to the EFL. Until the EFL make a decision the National League will be loathe to. There will also be a large number of clubs in the Premier whose player contract end on June 30th unlike NLN and NLS where most will end April 30th. I agree with the selfishness argument. This starts at the top and has a knock on effect to the EFL and National League. The sooner the better the Premier League accept the season is over and goes for PPG to decide things. That way everybody else can do the same. They need to take the financial hit re brodcasting money and look at the big picture. There is no way any club will accept relegation from the Premier League based on PPG. The loss would be £100m for each season they stay relegated. They may accept season is over. The result of the ending is more problematic. Realistically that is the one league where games may possibly get played, as they could all be on tv. Thst brings revenue in. Obvious issue is travel for the away team, and holding at corners! You have a point. The teams at the bottom could be out voted as per what is happening in the National league though. I would expect the Champions League to concentrate their minds. They will need to work out who qualifies for that and it starts in July for clubs in some countries and October for the big boys. The mooted date to start the Premier League is October. I think the writing is on the wall for the Premier League gravy train. They have to realise things have changed for the forseeable future. Agree about the corners. They will all need to stand two meters apart anyway !
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Post by Lobster on Mar 25, 2020 14:38:25 GMT
I can't stand the idea of a whole season just being declared null and void. We paid to see those games, cheered the goals, celebrated the wins, moaned about the defeats. Players will have goals they scored simply taken off them, and results wiped from the record books.
It's wrong to just pretend games didn't happen. There's no ideal solution but that is the worst one, in my opinion.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 25, 2020 14:38:41 GMT
I think the voting system is skewed very much in favour of the National League Premier clubs. They all have one vote each and I think the NLN and NLS have four votes each. The issue could be the promotion places to the EFL. Until the EFL make a decision the National League will be loathe to. There will also be a large number of clubs in the Premier whose player contract end on June 30th unlike NLN and NLS where most will end April 30th. I agree with the selfishness argument. This starts at the top and has a knock on effect to the EFL and National League. The sooner the better the Premier League accept the season is over and goes for PPG to decide things. That way everybody else can do the same. They need to take the financial hit re brodcasting money and look at the big picture. There is no way any club will accept relegation from the Premier League based on PPG. The loss would be £100m for each season they stay relegated. They may accept season is over. The result of the ending is more problematic. Realistically that is the one league where games may possibly get played, as they could all be on tv. Thst brings revenue in. Obvious issue is travel for the away team, and holding at corners! Not just corners though there will be some nice big gaps in a defensive wall
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 25, 2020 17:55:33 GMT
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Post by billyw on Mar 25, 2020 19:03:42 GMT
I can't stand the idea of a whole season just being declared null and void. We paid to see those games, cheered the goals, celebrated the wins, moaned about the defeats. Players will have goals they scored simply taken off them, and results wiped from the record books. It's wrong to just pretend games didn't happen. There's no ideal solution but that is the worst one, in my opinion. It’s not the first time it’s happened to us though is it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 19:32:19 GMT
What will happen next season if declared null and void this season as next we enter 46 League games instead of the tradition 42
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 25, 2020 20:19:58 GMT
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 25, 2020 20:23:23 GMT
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Post by Churton Blue on Mar 25, 2020 20:28:05 GMT
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Post by wxmred on Mar 25, 2020 21:09:55 GMT
I think we would of scraped through, but not so good for you, you had a chance for promotion.
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Post by waggoner on Mar 25, 2020 22:24:08 GMT
What will happen next season if declared null and void this season as next we enter 46 League games instead of the tradition 42 The fairest way would be to award every team 1.5 points per game for every game they have left. There may be room to play the play off games in may once the restrictions have been lifted
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 25, 2020 22:42:06 GMT
What will happen next season if declared null and void this season as next we enter 46 League games instead of the tradition 42 The fairest way would be to award every team 1.5 points per game for every game they have left. There may be room to play the play off games in may once the restrictions have been lifted That’s a left-field idea but actually pretty good.
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Post by devadiva on Mar 25, 2020 23:01:09 GMT
I like the 1.5 PPG suggestion. But suspect restrictions being lifted in may will be highly optimistic.
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Post by rcb on Mar 26, 2020 9:00:29 GMT
What will happen next season if declared null and void this season as next we enter 46 League games instead of the tradition 42 The fairest way would be to award every team 1.5 points per game for every game they have left. There may be room to play the play off games in may once the restrictions have been lifted Just had a look(just a quick one), but that wouldn’t make any difference to any of the leagues from prem down to ours, compared with PPG. Incidentally, what would you propose for play-offs if nothing resumes in May?
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Post by Lobster on Mar 26, 2020 9:24:28 GMT
I can't stand the idea of a whole season just being declared null and void. We paid to see those games, cheered the goals, celebrated the wins, moaned about the defeats. Players will have goals they scored simply taken off them, and results wiped from the record books. It's wrong to just pretend games didn't happen. There's no ideal solution but that is the worst one, in my opinion. It’s not the first time it’s happened to us though is it. When we went bust, I thought it would've been better to just give the three points to every team we were still down to play. We forfeited the games in effect.
Games that started and finish in fair circumstances shouldn't wiped from the records, in any circumstances. I feel strongly about that.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 26, 2020 9:45:46 GMT
Might help the clubs if the season did end now, as contracts could then be terminated, helping clubs to survive. Doesn't sound very fair for the players, but keeps clubs going for future seasons. Only the same as firms laying people off while they are closed for business. Hopefully they'll be some announcement on employees with fixed term contracts from the government today. That may clarify things. Does that include players on 2-year contracts?
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Post by waggoner on Mar 26, 2020 12:22:09 GMT
The fairest way would be to award every team 1.5 points per game for every game they have left. There may be room to play the play off games in may once the restrictions have been lifted Just had a look(just a quick one), but that wouldn’t make any difference to any of the leagues from prem down to ours, compared with PPG. Incidentally, what would you propose for play-offs if nothing resumes in May? Well May could be too soon but I would imagine that june/july are doable. The point would be that the season would have a conclusion and just a few play off games to box it off is better than pretending the season just did not actually happen
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Post by waggoner on Mar 26, 2020 12:24:40 GMT
looks like Mr 'Moneybags' is getting hit in the pocket. TBH I don't care about FGR horrid little manufactured play thing of an egotistic owner
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 26, 2020 12:28:25 GMT
looks like Mr 'Moneybags' is getting hit in the pocket. TBH I don't care about FGR horrid little manufactured play thing of an egotistic owner Spot on.
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Post by glanaber1 on Mar 26, 2020 12:30:05 GMT
Lets not go on about what may or may not happen and support our club thru this crisis Bring next seasons season ticket sale forward to help keep the club over the crisis
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 26, 2020 12:36:02 GMT
Might help the clubs if the season did end now, as contracts could then be terminated, helping clubs to survive. Doesn't sound very fair for the players, but keeps clubs going for future seasons. Only the same as firms laying people off while they are closed for business. Hopefully they'll be some announcement on employees with fixed term contracts from the government today. That may clarify things. Does that include players on 2-year contracts? Fair question. I would expect players to have a 40 week contract, or similar. They would end early May, and restart in August. So, wouldn't be paying them in the close season. Would we just put them on furlough, or whatever the phrase is?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 26, 2020 12:37:15 GMT
Looks like Simon Grand is retiring this summer.
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Post by Greasby Blue on Mar 26, 2020 12:54:16 GMT
Just had a look(just a quick one), but that wouldn’t make any difference to any of the leagues from prem down to ours, compared with PPG. Incidentally, what would you propose for play-offs if nothing resumes in May? Well May could be too soon but I would imagine that june/july are doable. The point would be that the season would have a conclusion and just a few play off games to box it off is better than pretending the season just did not actually happen Assuming that the play-offs don't happen which I think is very likely then there would be two options. Either the team that finishes in the top play off position is promoted by default or only teams finishing in automatic positions are promoted. I can't decide which is the least worst.
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