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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 31, 2020 15:23:12 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 31, 2020 15:31:07 GMT
Doesn't say a lot really. I think we all knew games weren't going to restart this weekend!
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Post by rcb on Mar 31, 2020 16:04:27 GMT
On an encouraging note, there is an admission that member clubs will be involved in the processes. Quote - “The National League is currently obtaining specialist legal advice, is consulting regularly with The Football Association and other stakeholders, and is committed to involving its member clubs in a pending decision on how best to conclude the 2019/20 season.”
Just need the FA to accept that their involvement in voiding leagues lower down was premature and wrong, and similar club involvement will now occur.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 1, 2020 7:38:22 GMT
On an encouraging note, there is an admission that member clubs will be involved in the processes. Quote - “The National League is currently obtaining specialist legal advice, is consulting regularly with The Football Association and other stakeholders, and is committed to involving its member clubs in a pending decision on how best to conclude the 2019/20 season.” Just need the FA to accept that their involvement in voiding leagues lower down was premature and wrong, and similar club involvement will now occur. Problem with that, is that most clubs wanted the leagues voided so that they could cut costs now, and help save their club for another day. The only teams who wanted to continue were those with a vested interest. Promotion. Difficult to see how we could finish this season, and then complete next one by next summer too. Given that we are likely to have restrictions for months now. Either way there's less matches and revenue for the clubs. Bear in mind even if we restarted in May clubs would need a short period of preseason to get ready again. Not to mention new contracts to cover the summer period. More costs to the clubs. What sort of crowds would be allowed, or expected? They'd be well down, due to distancing and concerns. Bear in mind our crowd isn't exactly young.
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Post by rcb on Apr 1, 2020 8:23:08 GMT
On an encouraging note, there is an admission that member clubs will be involved in the processes. Quote - “The National League is currently obtaining specialist legal advice, is consulting regularly with The Football Association and other stakeholders, and is committed to involving its member clubs in a pending decision on how best to conclude the 2019/20 season.” Just need the FA to accept that their involvement in voiding leagues lower down was premature and wrong, and similar club involvement will now occur. Problem with that, is that most clubs wanted the leagues voided so that they could cut costs now, and help save their club for another day. The only teams who wanted to continue were those with a vested interest. Promotion. Difficult to see how we could finish this season, and then complete next one by next summer too. Given that we are likely to have restrictions for months now. Either way there's less matches and revenue for the clubs. Bear in mind even if we restarted in May clubs would need a short period of preseason to get ready again. Not to mention new contracts to cover the summer period. More costs to the clubs. What sort of crowds would be allowed, or expected? They'd be well down, due to distancing and concerns. Bear in mind our crowd isn't exactly young. I would like to see the season ended, following consultations with the member clubs, ASAP in order to minimise costs. As I see it, a decision has been reached without any consultation or agreement with the members, and the concept of voiding the season is the worst outcome, serving only the interests of those who would more than likely have been relegated. It seems like a punishment to those who have been ambitious in investing for promotion, and in many cases have achieved, or near achieved, such ambitions. I don’t agree with your assertion that most clubs wanted the season voided. Quite simply, PPG is the only fair way to conclude a season that is 75% completed. All promotions and relegations should go ahead, but with no playoffs. Get this season over!
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Post by superman on Apr 1, 2020 8:55:37 GMT
I agree with rcb that for all non league leagues this the fairest way in the current situation and needs to happen now so that appropriate financial planning can be put in place. Dithering is not doing anybody any favours. More problematic to sell this I suspect as you go upto EFL1 and PL. As a club who can take on no debt and who have a small but valuable reserve then with all our help to boost funds we should be able to get through this and go again. Having no debt is a real strength compared to many clubs who always run in deficit.
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Post by Riot on Apr 1, 2020 8:58:32 GMT
Because there’s no football on at the minute in this country I’ve decided to go a bit further afield for my football fix.
Have managed to get a plane ticket to Belarus so I’m off to see Dinamo Brest v Slavia Mozyr in the Belarusian Premier League. I’ll be doing a match preview in the next few days.
Anyone else fancy a trip to Belarus?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 1, 2020 9:30:32 GMT
Poor attempt of an April Fools .
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 1, 2020 12:01:20 GMT
Problem with that, is that most clubs wanted the leagues voided so that they could cut costs now, and help save their club for another day. The only teams who wanted to continue were those with a vested interest. Promotion. Difficult to see how we could finish this season, and then complete next one by next summer too. Given that we are likely to have restrictions for months now. Either way there's less matches and revenue for the clubs. Bear in mind even if we restarted in May clubs would need a short period of preseason to get ready again. Not to mention new contracts to cover the summer period. More costs to the clubs. What sort of crowds would be allowed, or expected? They'd be well down, due to distancing and concerns. Bear in mind our crowd isn't exactly young. I would like to see the season ended, following consultations with the member clubs, ASAP in order to minimise costs. As I see it, a decision has been reached without any consultation or agreement with the members, and the concept of voiding the season is the worst outcome, serving only the interests of those who would more than likely have been relegated. It seems like a punishment to those who have been ambitious in investing for promotion, and in many cases have achieved, or near achieved, such ambitions. I don’t agree with your assertion that most clubs wanted the season voided. Quite simply, PPG is the only fair way to conclude a season that is 75% completed. All promotions and relegations should go ahead, but with no playoffs. Get this season over! I agree that PPG should be applied to all 3 leagues. That would need King's Lynn and York City being promoted from our league. No problem with that at all.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 1, 2020 12:13:01 GMT
Not strictly fair for PPG to determine the second promoted team because playoffs are a lottery as they say.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 1, 2020 12:23:03 GMT
I still get the feeling that the plan is to declare the entire season null and void across all football, but they don't quite know how to break that to Liverpool fans and need some sort of plan in place for the inevitable uproar. If Man City were top it would probably already have been done.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 1, 2020 12:37:41 GMT
My idea, and it's probably full of flaws, but I think it would be good:
- Finish this season when it's safe to do, even if that's late on in 2020. - Consider 2020/21 a gap year for the English football league system.
Now, depending on how much time is left before the 2021/22 season starts, put together one-off leagues of 10-12 teams of similarly matched teams across various parts of the country. For example, we might end up in a 10-team league featuring ourselves, Tranmere, Wrexham, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Telford, Southport, Macclesfield, Altrincham and Warrington.
Plenty of local derbies that should boost gates and bring in revenue, and minimal travelling expenses. No promotion or relegation at the end, but plenty of local bragging rights and a trophy for the winner of each regional league at the end of the season - one that might never be on offer again.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 1, 2020 12:42:44 GMT
I still get the feeling that the plan is to declare the entire season null and void across all football, but they don't quite know how to break that to Liverpool fans and need some sort of plan in place for the inevitable uproar. If Man City were top it would probably already have been done. I think you have a point. One major problem for the Premier Greed is what do they do about the places for the very lucrative Champions League ? I do not care but I am sure they do.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 1, 2020 13:36:07 GMT
My idea, and it's probably full of flaws, but I think it would be good: - Finish this season when it's safe to do, even if that's late on in 2020. - Consider 2020/21 a gap year for the English football league system. Now, depending on how much time is left before the 2021/22 season starts, put together one-off leagues of 10-12 teams of similarly matched teams across various parts of the country. For example, we might end up in a 10-team league featuring ourselves, Tranmere, Wrexham, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Telford, Southport, Macclesfield, Altrincham and Warrington. Plenty of local derbies that should boost gates and bring in revenue, and minimal travelling expenses. No promotion or relegation at the end, but plenty of local bragging rights and a trophy for the winner of each regional league at the end of the season - one that might never be on offer again. Any thoughts? Sounds like a decent idea.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 1, 2020 13:37:17 GMT
Problem with that, is that most clubs wanted the leagues voided so that they could cut costs now, and help save their club for another day. The only teams who wanted to continue were those with a vested interest. Promotion. Difficult to see how we could finish this season, and then complete next one by next summer too. Given that we are likely to have restrictions for months now. Either way there's less matches and revenue for the clubs. Bear in mind even if we restarted in May clubs would need a short period of preseason to get ready again. Not to mention new contracts to cover the summer period. More costs to the clubs. What sort of crowds would be allowed, or expected? They'd be well down, due to distancing and concerns. Bear in mind our crowd isn't exactly young. I would like to see the season ended, following consultations with the member clubs, ASAP in order to minimise costs. As I see it, a decision has been reached without any consultation or agreement with the members, and the concept of voiding the season is the worst outcome, serving only the interests of those who would more than likely have been relegated. It seems like a punishment to those who have been ambitious in investing for promotion, and in many cases have achieved, or near achieved, such ambitions. I don’t agree with your assertion that most clubs wanted the season voided. Quite simply, PPG is the only fair way to conclude a season that is 75% completed. All promotions and relegations should go ahead, but with no playoffs. Get this season over! PPG would be fine with me. It ends the season, which is the key thing. Especially for the clubs. There would be more issues with relegation, than promotion in my view. Problem now is that there won't be promotion into our leagues from below, as these leagues have currently been voided. Not sure how ours can still be determined if this is the case. Maybe between National League divisions would be possible? But can't see how Bradford PA can be relegated as it stands. Needs a consistent decision through the leagues. Barrow may go up due to Bury going under. Not sure someone else will be relegated from League 2, if the FL wish to carry on through to season end. Whole thing is a complete shambles. Meanwhile clubs still have the costs and uncertainty.
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Post by superman on Apr 1, 2020 14:41:29 GMT
Whilst I much prefer the PPG solution to decide both promotions and relegations as this rewards success and records remain intact, I could live with null and void if it was applied world wide across all leagues and competitions. Forget all continental competition for 1 year, just spit out and start again in each country when safe to do so. Football needs to show collective leadership.
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Post by geoff on Apr 1, 2020 15:43:54 GMT
My idea, and it's probably full of flaws, but I think it would be good: - Finish this season when it's safe to do, even if that's late on in 2020. - Consider 2020/21 a gap year for the English football league system. Now, depending on how much time is left before the 2021/22 season starts, put together one-off leagues of 10-12 teams of similarly matched teams across various parts of the country. For example, we might end up in a 10-team league featuring ourselves, Tranmere, Wrexham, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Telford, Southport, Macclesfield, Altrincham and Warrington. Plenty of local derbies that should boost gates and bring in revenue, and minimal travelling expenses. No promotion or relegation at the end, but plenty of local bragging rights and a trophy for the winner of each regional league at the end of the season - one that might never be on offer again. Any thoughts?
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Post by geoff on Apr 1, 2020 15:47:53 GMT
Yes, I thought that would be the best idea. Leagues could still play next season as constituted but only one game per club, no home and away, so 21 games for most divisions. Draw for which games are home or away. 11 home games and 11 away games. Advantage is that this season would eventually conclude with proper promotion and relegation. Next season would be half a season and all clubs would know this from the outset.
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Post by utb on Apr 1, 2020 23:09:33 GMT
My idea, and it's probably full of flaws, but I think it would be good: - Finish this season when it's safe to do, even if that's late on in 2020. - Consider 2020/21 a gap year for the English football league system. Now, depending on how much time is left before the 2021/22 season starts, put together one-off leagues of 10-12 teams of similarly matched teams across various parts of the country. For example, we might end up in a 10-team league featuring ourselves, Tranmere, Wrexham, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Telford, Southport, Macclesfield, Altrincham and Warrington. Plenty of local derbies that should boost gates and bring in revenue, and minimal travelling expenses. No promotion or relegation at the end, but plenty of local bragging rights and a trophy for the winner of each regional league at the end of the season - one that might never be on offer again. Any thoughts? Not a bad idea to be fair. Although I'd include a playoff system similar to Super League to reduce the amount of "dead games" between sides outside of the top few positions. Whoever finishes first banks the vast majority of any prize money and a leaders shield. Then have a playoff system with a grand final held at a ground like Old Trafford or the Etihad to determine an overall champion.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 2, 2020 7:33:35 GMT
My idea, and it's probably full of flaws, but I think it would be good: - Finish this season when it's safe to do, even if that's late on in 2020. - Consider 2020/21 a gap year for the English football league system. Now, depending on how much time is left before the 2021/22 season starts, put together one-off leagues of 10-12 teams of similarly matched teams across various parts of the country. For example, we might end up in a 10-team league featuring ourselves, Tranmere, Wrexham, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Telford, Southport, Macclesfield, Altrincham and Warrington. Plenty of local derbies that should boost gates and bring in revenue, and minimal travelling expenses. No promotion or relegation at the end, but plenty of local bragging rights and a trophy for the winner of each regional league at the end of the season - one that might never be on offer again. Any thoughts? Not a bad idea to be fair. Although I'd include a playoff system similar to Super League to reduce the amount of "dead games" between sides outside of the top few positions. Whoever finishes first banks the vast majority of any prize money and a leaders shield. Then have a playoff system with a grand final held at a ground like Old Trafford or the Etihad to determine an overall champion. Yes, all sorts of ways it can be tweaked and refined.
I just find the idea of a season starting and not finishing unpalatable. I also wouldn't bank on it being safe to start next season in August, so personally I would rather this season was delayed for as long as necessary and next season was sacrificed.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Apr 2, 2020 11:36:04 GMT
I still get the feeling that the plan is to declare the entire season null and void across all football, but they don't quite know how to break that to Liverpool fans and need some sort of plan in place for the inevitable uproar. If Man City were top it would probably already have been done. You can't seriously believe this ?!?! The only reason the premiership has not been declared null and void is because of the amount the TV money they will lose, and that's why they are all desperate to get the season finished anyway they can.
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 2, 2020 12:40:11 GMT
Yes, I thought that would be the best idea. Leagues could still play next season as constituted but only one game per club, no home and away, so 21 games for most divisions. Draw for which games are home or away. 11 home games and 11 away games. Advantage is that this season would eventually conclude with proper promotion and relegation. Next season would be half a season and all clubs would know this from the outset. Would that be after concluding this season? If so I think that is excellent idea, particularly with the Euros.
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Post by geoff on Apr 3, 2020 7:47:26 GMT
Yes, this season would be concluded probably in late Autumn with promotion and relegation as usual. The 20/21 season would be reduced to half the games to finish as usual in April/May, 2021 and the leagues would need to decide whether promotion and relegation applied, but probably not. If there was time a knock out FA Cup type could be introduced to fill the fixture list. We would then get back to normal for the 2021/2022 season.
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Post by geoff on Apr 3, 2020 7:49:36 GMT
Yes, this season would be concluded probably in late Autumn with promotion and relegation as usual. The 20/21 season would be reduced to half the games to finish as usual in April/May, 2021 and the leagues would need to decide whether promotion and relegation applied, but probably not. If there was time a knock out FA Cup type could be introduced to fill the fixture list. We would then get back to normal for the 2021/2022 season.
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Post by bing on Apr 3, 2020 13:41:08 GMT
Matt Hancock saying that wealthy Premier League footballers should give up their earnings in order to subsidise less wealthy members of the club's staff is the most un-Conservative sentiment imaginable. I bet SB is frothing at the mouth!
Some good ideas above, I like the mini-season idea. It builds in a contingency if the virus reappears at any point.
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Post by harryblaen on Apr 3, 2020 14:17:25 GMT
I too like Churton's idea but it is too sensible to be taken seriously. Given that there is no restart date in sight, it isnext season and not the current one that should be altered or deferred entirely. That would also allow the Euros to go ahead.
Edit - with regard to PL wages, the solution should be to salary cap the furlough scheme.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 3, 2020 14:25:12 GMT
I still get the feeling that the plan is to declare the entire season null and void across all football, but they don't quite know how to break that to Liverpool fans and need some sort of plan in place for the inevitable uproar. If Man City were top it would probably already have been done. I think you have a point. One major problem for the Premier Greed is what do they do about the places for the very lucrative Champions League ? I do not care but I am sure they do. Extract from BBC report today European governing body Uefa has written a joint letter with the European Clubs' Association and the European Leagues urging domestic bodies not to abandon their competitions. Leagues across Europe have been told that ending competitions early could result in them forfeiting Champions League and Europa League places. Edit Link to full statement. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52148695If the FA were to be consistent then there could easily be a knock effect down the Leagues if they have to solve the problem by PPG.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 3, 2020 14:27:49 GMT
I think you have a point. One major problem for the Premier Greed is what do they do about the places for the very lucrative Champions League ? I do not care but I am sure they do. Extract from BBC report today European governing body Uefa has written a joint letter with the European Clubs' Association and the European Leagues urging domestic bodies not to abandon their competitions. Leagues across Europe have been told that ending competitions early could result in them forfeiting Champions League and Europa League place. Belgium has already cancelled theirs and declared Bruges as champions.
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Post by gezzer on Apr 3, 2020 15:21:05 GMT
Premier League clubs to ask players to take 30% pay cut and still intend on completing all League and cup fixtures. They have also given £125m to the EFL and National League plus £20m to the NHS
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Post by Jack on Apr 3, 2020 15:56:34 GMT
Matt Hancock saying that wealthy Premier League footballers should give up their earnings in order to subsidise less wealthy members of the club's staff is the most un-Conservative sentiment imaginable. I bet SB is frothing at the mouth! Some good ideas above, I like the mini-season idea. It builds in a contingency if the virus reappears at any point. Surely it can't just be who found that to be a ridiculous thing for our health secretary to say? Everybody agrees with the sentiment behind it, but as part of a government that is literally sending doctors and nurses to their deaths without PPE, I'd have thought he had bigger things to worry about right now. Also interesting how there's no demand for film stars, golf players, hedge fund managers etc. I'm sure footballers will help, and good on them, but it's the most blatant diversionary tactic I've ever seen from this govt.
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