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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 3, 2020 16:34:47 GMT
Premier League clubs to ask players to take 30% pay cut and still intend on completing all League and cup fixtures. They have also given £125m to the EFL and National League plus £20m to the NHS Pitiful from the PL that. Drop in the ocean and doesn’t even apply to clubs at step 3-7 who have seen their entire season laid to waste.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 3, 2020 17:54:56 GMT
Premier League clubs to ask players to take 30% pay cut and still intend on completing all League and cup fixtures. They have also given £125m to the EFL and National League plus £20m to the NHS The £125m to the EFL and NL is only what they're due to pay anyway. It's just been moved earlier. May help clubs for now, but they'll run out of money sometime next season instead.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 3, 2020 18:22:59 GMT
Premier League clubs to ask players to take 30% pay cut and still intend on completing all League and cup fixtures. They have also given £125m to the EFL and National League plus £20m to the NHS The £125m to the EFL and NL is only what they're due to pay anyway. It's just been moved earlier. May help clubs for now, but they'll run out of money sometime next season instead. I saw that they used the word ' advanced ' not given and feared the worst. Can you or anybody else shed any light on what this money is ?
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Post by avfo on Apr 3, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
The £125m to the EFL and NL is only what they're due to pay anyway. It's just been moved earlier. May help clubs for now, but they'll run out of money sometime next season instead. I saw that they used the word ' advanced ' not given and feared the worst. Can you or anybody else shed any light on what this money is ? Given that the press release states that the 'League unanimously voted to advance funds of £125 million to the EFL and National League', I think it's reasonable to assume they are referring to season 20/21's solidarity payments.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 3, 2020 20:05:52 GMT
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Post by avfo on Apr 3, 2020 21:46:16 GMT
There are no solidarity payments for NL clubs. I originally thought that NL clubs may have been included this time as a one off gesture of support, but that idea now seems at best fanciful. Reading statements from EFL clubs, the £125 million includes EFL parachute, solidarity and academy payments. Clubs recently relegated into the NL should also receive their parachute payments now, as opposed to August, likewise NL clubs whose academies qualify for the grant. The National League Trust will, I assume, get their payment early, other than than that, very little seems to be heading to the National League. Hope I'm wrong, some clarification would be good.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 4, 2020 8:42:14 GMT
There are no solidarity payments for NL clubs. I originally thought that NL clubs may have been included this time as a one off gesture of support, but that idea now seems at best fanciful. Reading statements from EFL clubs, the £125 million includes EFL parachute, solidarity and academy payments. Clubs recently relegated into the NL should also receive their parachute payments now, as opposed to August, likewise NL clubs whose academies qualify for the grant. The National League Trust will, I assume, get their payment early, other than than that, very little seems to be heading to the National League. Hope I'm wrong, some clarification would be good. Thanks for this AVFO. As you say we need details and clarification of what the position is. Looks more like spin and PR rather than substantial help but I hope we are both wrong.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 4, 2020 12:42:33 GMT
Yes, this season would be concluded probably in late Autumn with promotion and relegation as usual. The 20/21 season would be reduced to half the games to finish as usual in April/May, 2021 and the leagues would need to decide whether promotion and relegation applied, but probably not. If there was time a knock out FA Cup type could be introduced to fill the fixture list. We would then get back to normal for the 2021/2022 season. Football can not conceive to be even possible before September in the way we know it, with crowds etc, by that time the second wave may be happening and we will be faced with even more social restrictions. 99% of contracts run out on the 30th June, there is absolutely no possibility of this season being extended beyond that because clubs cannot force anyone to play beyond their contract and for some they may not want to.sponsorship deals have also been signed, see Liverpool for their shirt sponsor, whose shirt would they play in, if the season was extended? love it or loath it the whole season will be expunged by mid June, mark my words. i have even heard rumours that up to 10% of EFL clubs will also enter into administration into “ next season”
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Post by agl on Apr 4, 2020 13:14:53 GMT
I think we could see games behind closed doors in the Premier League and Championship, largely due to the vast sums of TV revenues. If the season is expunged then clubs could be forced to repay money, pushing some over the edge
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Apr 4, 2020 14:32:13 GMT
Liverpool furlough non playing staff. Joke that with the kind of revenue they generate.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 4, 2020 15:25:26 GMT
Liverpool furlough non playing staff. Joke that with the kind of revenue they generate. Billionaire owners of clubs like Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle and Bournemouth taking Government money to subsidise themselves paints themselves and the Premier League in a very poor light. Extract below from BBC article. A member of staff who works at Liverpool, and did not wish to be named, told BBC Sport: "The club call their staff their family - I'm not feeling like a family member. "Why is a club that turns over £100m using a government scheme for its staff when other businesses are more in need of it? "I feel disappointed and I'm feeling that this government scheme could be used by businesses in trouble." The member of stuff added that they were "disappointed, especially after Everton said they were not doing it". Liverpool FC turnover is actually £533 million.
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Post by avfo on Apr 4, 2020 18:34:43 GMT
PFA STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF PREMIER LEAGUE PLAYERS
All Premier League players want to, and will, play their part in making significant financial contributions in these unprecedented times. All Premier League players fully appreciate their role and responsibilities in society during this current crisis. They care deeply for those who are suffering with loss, health and hardship at the moment.
Discussions about how players can best financially contribute have been ongoing during the current crisis, and prior to yesterday’s announcement by the Premier League. The Premier League players want to take the lead and ensure their financial contributions will support: Our clubs that we play for will obviously need our support, particularly if this crisis goes beyond June. Non-playing staff at our Premier League clubs – guaranteeing they receive 100% of their wages. EFL and non-league clubs, their staff and players. The NHS - whose workers - many of whom are football fans - are doing so much for us all. They are the real heroes. We cannot stress enough that football is in this together. Solidarity and putting aside any self-interest is paramount.
To re-cap what the Premier League proposed within the announcement yesterday: £20m to charitable causes. Advancing £125m to the EFL and National League clubs. A 12-month 30% salary cut/deferral in wages for Premier League players. £20m is welcome, but we believe it could be far bigger. The EFL money is an advance. Importantly, it will aid cashflow in the immediate, but football needs to find a way to increase funding to the EFL and non-league clubs in the long-term.
Many clubs require an increase in funding just to survive. We believe in our football pyramid and again stress the need for solidarity between all clubs. Going forward, we are working together to find a solution which will be continually reviewed in order to assess the circumstance of the COVID-19 crisis.
The players are mindful that as PAYE employees, the combined tax on their salaries is a significant contribution to funding essential public services - which are especially critical at this time. Taking a 30% salary deduction will cost the Exchequer substantial sums. This would be detrimental to our NHS and other government-funded services. The proposed 30% salary deduction over a 12-month period equates to over £500m in wage reductions and a loss in tax contributions of over £200m to the government. What effect does this loss of earning to the government mean for the NHS? Was this considered in the Premier League proposal and did the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock factor this in when asking players to take a salary cut?
We welcomed the opportunity to discuss this with the Premier League today and we are happy to continue talks. It is our priority to finalise the precise details of our commitment as soon as possible. However, to achieve a collective position for all Premier League players - of which there are many different financial and contractual circumstances from club-to-club - will take a bit more time.
The PFA Charity has also agreed to make a substantial contribution to a player-led initiative once the details are finalised. There should be no doubting the players and captains are committed to achieving this as soon as possible. They recognise their role in wider society and what they need to do, as a group, to help and support others.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 4, 2020 19:32:42 GMT
PFA STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF PREMIER LEAGUE PLAYERS All Premier League players want to, and will, play their part in making significant financial contributions in these unprecedented times. All Premier League players fully appreciate their role and responsibilities in society during this current crisis. They care deeply for those who are suffering with loss, health and hardship at the moment. Discussions about how players can best financially contribute have been ongoing during the current crisis, and prior to yesterday’s announcement by the Premier League. The Premier League players want to take the lead and ensure their financial contributions will support: Our clubs that we play for will obviously need our support, particularly if this crisis goes beyond June. Non-playing staff at our Premier League clubs – guaranteeing they receive 100% of their wages. EFL and non-league clubs, their staff and players. The NHS - whose workers - many of whom are football fans - are doing so much for us all. They are the real heroes. We cannot stress enough that football is in this together. Solidarity and putting aside any self-interest is paramount. To re-cap what the Premier League proposed within the announcement yesterday: £20m to charitable causes. Advancing £125m to the EFL and National League clubs. A 12-month 30% salary cut/deferral in wages for Premier League players. £20m is welcome, but we believe it could be far bigger. The EFL money is an advance. Importantly, it will aid cashflow in the immediate, but football needs to find a way to increase funding to the EFL and non-league clubs in the long-term. Many clubs require an increase in funding just to survive. We believe in our football pyramid and again stress the need for solidarity between all clubs. Going forward, we are working together to find a solution which will be continually reviewed in order to assess the circumstance of the COVID-19 crisis. The players are mindful that as PAYE employees, the combined tax on their salaries is a significant contribution to funding essential public services - which are especially critical at this time. Taking a 30% salary deduction will cost the Exchequer substantial sums. This would be detrimental to our NHS and other government-funded services. The proposed 30% salary deduction over a 12-month period equates to over £500m in wage reductions and a loss in tax contributions of over £200m to the government. What effect does this loss of earning to the government mean for the NHS? Was this considered in the Premier League proposal and did the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock factor this in when asking players to take a salary cut? We welcomed the opportunity to discuss this with the Premier League today and we are happy to continue talks. It is our priority to finalise the precise details of our commitment as soon as possible. However, to achieve a collective position for all Premier League players - of which there are many different financial and contractual circumstances from club-to-club - will take a bit more time. The PFA Charity has also agreed to make a substantial contribution to a player-led initiative once the details are finalised. There should be no doubting the players and captains are committed to achieving this as soon as possible. They recognise their role in wider society and what they need to do, as a group, to help and support others. Well what a load of bollox I,m alright Jack F*** You but what a nice spin if I take a pay cut it will damage the nation. More like if you were to pay the tax you're due instead of offshore accounts then the nation would be in a better state than its in
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Post by gezzer on Apr 5, 2020 7:13:34 GMT
"To re-cap what the Premier League proposed within the announcement yesterday: £20m to charitable causes. Advancing £125m to the EFL and National League clubs. A 12-month 30% salary cut/deferral in wages for Premier League players. £20m is welcome, but we believe it could be far bigger. The EFL money is an advance. Importantly, it will aid cashflow in the immediate, but football needs to find a way to increase funding to the EFL and non-league clubs in the long-term."
To put the above quote into perspective, I've read elsewhere that failure to complete the Premier League season (10-11 games) could result in financial penalties of £762m, mainly due to having to pay back the TV companies for not fulfilling their contracts. This IMO is the ONLY reason the PL are reluctant to end the season now. Its also laughable that the PFA are playing the NHS card and loss of tax revenue for the Government by players taking a 30% cut in wages when those same players are probably involved in tax avoidance schemes far surpassing that £200m figure.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 6, 2020 8:58:31 GMT
Liverpool furlough non playing staff. Joke that with the kind of revenue they generate. Billionaire owners of clubs like Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle and Bournemouth taking Government money to subsidise themselves paints themselves and the Premier League in a very poor light. Extract below from BBC article. A member of staff who works at Liverpool, and did not wish to be named, told BBC Sport: "The club call their staff their family - I'm not feeling like a family member. "Why is a club that turns over £100m using a government scheme for its staff when other businesses are more in need of it? "I feel disappointed and I'm feeling that this government scheme could be used by businesses in trouble." The member of stuff added that they were "disappointed, especially after Everton said they were not doing it". Liverpool FC turnover is actually £533 million. Terrible from Liverpool. Their fans know how to kick up a fuss and they should be doing it about this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 9:18:22 GMT
Prem footballers still don't get it. They should all contribute, after tax to pay the wages of non playing staff. The biggest percentage of these are on minimum wage.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 6, 2020 9:22:50 GMT
Billionaire owners of clubs like Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle and Bournemouth taking Government money to subsidise themselves paints themselves and the Premier League in a very poor light. Extract below from BBC article. A member of staff who works at Liverpool, and did not wish to be named, told BBC Sport: "The club call their staff their family - I'm not feeling like a family member. "Why is a club that turns over £100m using a government scheme for its staff when other businesses are more in need of it? "I feel disappointed and I'm feeling that this government scheme could be used by businesses in trouble." The member of stuff added that they were "disappointed, especially after Everton said they were not doing it". Liverpool FC turnover is actually £533 million. Terrible from Liverpool. Their fans know how to kick up a fuss and they should be doing it about this. You’ll never walk alone, unless of course it means that greedy owners can squeeze more money out of the government.
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Post by Manchester Blue on Apr 6, 2020 9:23:54 GMT
Somebody says it every year but maybe this year is finally the year the premier league "Bubble" bursts.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 6, 2020 9:58:17 GMT
Somebody says it every year but maybe this year is finally the year the premier league "Bubble" bursts. Hopefully.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 6, 2020 10:09:32 GMT
Somebody says it every year but maybe this year is finally the year the premier league "Bubble" bursts. Hopefully. I doubt it myself. Premier League clubs are owned by some of the wealthiest people in the world, and they're not the ones affected by recessions. In fact some of them make money out of them.
The Premier League is just a reflection of the world economy. It's at our level where there are serious concerns.
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Post by jb on Apr 6, 2020 14:59:43 GMT
Terrible from Liverpool. Their fans know how to kick up a fuss and they should be doing it about this. You’ll never walk alone, unless of course it means that greedy owners can squeeze more money out of the government. Sounds like LFC are struggling financially due to the pandemic. I expect to see them sign some free transfers like Billy Sharp, Ravel Morrison and Stephen Fletcher on a pay as you play basis in the summer and release the big earners like Salah, Alisson etc!!
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 6, 2020 15:36:03 GMT
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Post by gezzer on Apr 7, 2020 8:16:59 GMT
Liverpool furlough non playing staff. Joke that with the kind of revenue they generate. They have now reversed this decision, instead they are looking at other ways to cover the staff costs. Maybe a friendly with us where we donate all of the gate receipts to them.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 8, 2020 13:02:46 GMT
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 9, 2020 16:41:31 GMT
BREAKING: The FA Council has approved the decision to null and void all leagues from steps 3-7 in non league, women’s non league, and grassroots. All clubs in the National League, National League North, and National League South will conduct a vote on whether they want the current season to end.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 9, 2020 16:53:33 GMT
They've explained the decision in detail to be fair to them. I still think they're getting it wrong though.
I still prefer the idea of continuing the season later in the year and replacing the 2020/21 season with a regionalised mini-league. I know people say contracts expire in June, but can we not come up with some sort of common sense solution to that? It feels like a lazy excuse.
Failing that I'd prefer PPG. Anything's better than just pretending thousands of football matches didn't happen.
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Post by avfo on Apr 9, 2020 17:16:55 GMT
National League North and South clubs will each receive £13,636 from the PL's £125,000,000 advanced payment to EFL and NL clubs.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 9, 2020 19:35:59 GMT
Disgrace.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 9, 2020 19:49:51 GMT
National League North and South clubs will each receive £13,636 from the PL's £125,000,000 advanced payment to EFL and NL clubs. Premier League brodcasting rights and commercial central revenues for 2018-19. www.premierleague.com/news/1225126Do not forget we are all in this together.........the Premier League are doing their bit !
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Post by avfo on Apr 10, 2020 15:39:17 GMT
So, all clubs in the National League have been asked to consider the written resolution submitted on the 9th of April -
'The resolution shall be voted on and passed by a majority of votes pursuant to article 12 of the League's Articles of Association, whereby the 24 member Clubs in the National Division shall have one vote each, and member Clubs in the National League North shall have 4 votes between them, and member Clubs in the National League South shall have 4 votes between them. (A total of 32 votes). In the case of an equality of votes, the Chairman of the League shall be entitled to a casting vote.'
There's democracy and then there's the National League.
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