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Post by chesterken on Apr 10, 2020 16:05:00 GMT
So, all clubs in the National League have been asked to consider the written resolution submitted on the 9th of April - 'The resolution shall be voted on and passed by a majority of votes pursuant to article 12 of the League's Articles of Association, whereby t he 24 member Clubs in the National Division shall have one vote each, and member Clubs in the National League North shall have 4 votes between them, and member Clubs in the National League South shall have 4 votes between them. (A total of 32 votes). In the case of an equality of votes, the Chairman of the League shall be entitled to a casting vote.' There's democracy and then there's the National League. Wow just 😮 wow.
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Apr 10, 2020 16:27:20 GMT
And just how are the 4 votes split 22 ways?
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Post by avfo on Apr 10, 2020 17:07:23 GMT
And just how are the 4 votes split 22 ways? Good question. This is from a reply on twitter by Adrian Seddon (FCUM Chairperson) to Ollie Bayliss, presenter of the non-league show- 'Not all that interesting Ollie as that vote share is in the league rules for any club votes. More interesting would be how they allocate the 4 votes... when we insisted on a vote at the AGM a few years back all 4 NN votes went with the majority even though 1/3 voted differently.'
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 10, 2020 17:17:26 GMT
And just how are the 4 votes split 22 ways? Represented the club at the 2012 AGM and the same voting system was in place then. All reps from Conference North clubs were sent in to a room and asked to voted on resolutions. Whatever the majority voted for then carried 4 votes into the second round of voting with the 24 Clubs and their one vote each. The meeting was a real eye opener for me. It was probably the most shambolic meeting I have ever been in and I have been in an awful lot meetings. The main bone of contention was bringing in Financial Fair Play which the then Board of the Conference wanted to bring in. Clubs like Forest Green and Grimbsy Town turned the meeting into a farce which meant the Board backed down. Forest Green had sent their solicitor to the meeting to make sure the vote did not go through ! As far as I am aware FFP has not been on the Agenda much since ?
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Post by avfo on Apr 14, 2020 16:45:40 GMT
National League North and South clubs will each receive £13,636 from the PL's £125,000,000 advanced payment to EFL and NL clubs. National League Chairman, Brian Barwick, - “I am delighted that the relationship between the Premier League and The National League remains so strong. We are very grateful that the Premier League have advanced us monies to be able to distribute to our clubs in the coming days. It is a gesture that will bring some welcome relief to many of the clubs in our league. It is appreciated.”
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Apr 14, 2020 19:54:30 GMT
How much do conference clubs get at national level??
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 14, 2020 20:06:37 GMT
How much do conference clubs get at national level?? 58k
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Apr 15, 2020 21:05:14 GMT
Thanks DMcnally so we are really being fed on chicken 🐓 grain then. Dear dear but thanks for providing info
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Post by exiled on Apr 16, 2020 7:44:50 GMT
Thanks DMcnally so we are really being fed on chicken 🐓 grain then. Dear dear but thanks for providing info Probably doesn't even amount to revenue lost for 1 of our home games.
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Post by avfo on Apr 16, 2020 11:43:23 GMT
Thanks DMcnally so we are really being fed on chicken 🐓 grain then. Dear dear but thanks for providing info Probably doesn't even amount to revenue lost for 1 of our home games. It's worth bearing in mind that this is money that NLN/S clubs would normally have received in August, so in effect, next seasons budgets will now all be down by £13,000.
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Post by g1 on Apr 16, 2020 11:55:09 GMT
How do the nln decide which teams get the votes
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Post by Lobster on Apr 16, 2020 12:14:13 GMT
It's all the more insulting when you look at how many current England players have played in non-league in their career, including:
Nick Pope Dean Henderson Chris Smalling Tyrone Mings Jamie Vardy Callum Wilson
Almost all of the England regulars at least had loan spells in the lower league early in their careers..
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Post by bing on Apr 16, 2020 12:17:21 GMT
How do the nln decide which teams get the votes Teams will only vote with their own interests in mind. The teams in the relegation zone will want to continue - every other team in the bottom half won't. Most of the top half won't be interested if they have nothing to play for. Only a select few will want to continue if they have a chance of promotion.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 16, 2020 12:59:20 GMT
How do the nln decide which teams get the votes Teams will only vote with their own interests in mind. The teams in the relegation zone will want to continue - every other team in the bottom half won't. Most of the top half won't be interested if they have nothing to play for. Only a select few will want to continue if they have a chance of promotion. A vote has settled things in Scotland with Champions being declared as well as promotion and relegation being decided on a PPG basis. However they are looking at a League reconstruction. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52297066
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Post by exiled on Apr 16, 2020 13:05:19 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 16, 2020 14:23:06 GMT
Probably doesn't even amount to revenue lost for 1 of our home games. It's worth bearing in mind that this is money that NLN/S clubs would normally have received in August, so in effect, next seasons budgets will now all be down by £13,000. Obviously, you don't think the FA/Premiershite would GIVE anything away, do you?
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Post by agl on Apr 16, 2020 14:31:28 GMT
Teams will only vote with their own interests in mind. The teams in the relegation zone will want to continue - every other team in the bottom half won't. Most of the top half won't be interested if they have nothing to play for. Only a select few will want to continue if they have a chance of promotion. A vote has settled things in Scotland with Champions being declared as well as promotion and relegation being decided on a PPG basis. However they are looking at a League reconstruction. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52297066My understanding is that the leagues were simply halted as they stood, not on a ppg basis. Partick Thistle, bottom of the Championship but with a game in hand over Queen of the South which would see them overtake the Doonhamwers if won, are threatening legal action. It's a total mess.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 16, 2020 15:20:31 GMT
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 17, 2020 8:20:59 GMT
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Post by exiled on Apr 17, 2020 10:12:32 GMT
I think that's the point Steve King was trying to make. Also clubs still have a chance of the playoffs,even some teams in the relegation zone could have got themselves out of trouble. Not sure if that's the case with the North and South. Wasn't our league supposed to have increased next year with 2 extra teams? (So no relegation anyway).But I agree it all seems confusing.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 17, 2020 11:03:09 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that generally speaking, the clubs voting in favour of ending the season now are ones above the relegation zone but too far off the playoffs to have a realistic chance. The ones against it will still fancy their chances of making the playoffs, while the undecided ones will be in the playoff or relegation places and unsure how ending the season will effect them.
Everyone is going to vote in their own interests, basically. I can't help but think this is a decision that needs to be made by the league. Yes, listen to the member clubs, but show some leadership.
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Post by Si on Apr 17, 2020 11:52:49 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that generally speaking, the clubs voting in favour of ending the season now are ones above the relegation zone but too far off the playoffs to have a realistic chance. The ones against it will still fancy their chances of making the playoffs, while the undecided ones will be in the playoff or relegation places and unsure how ending the season will effect them. Everyone is going to vote in their own interests, basically. I can't help but think this is a decision that needs to be made by the league. Yes, listen to the member clubs, but show some leadership. That's basically my thoughts. I think the league are trying to bottle a big decision by handing voting power to the clubs, so that they can hold their hands up and say we voted for it rather than them. But as you say, clubs will of course vote in their own interests, I wouldn't expect anything less, so it makes a mockery of it really. Clubs should have their say which should be part of an informed decision by the league, and then we'll just have to go with whatever they decide. Whatever happens there will be winners and losers in all this, you can't please everyone. The immediate concern should be the financial support to prevent clubs going under, which needs to happen sooner rather than later.
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Post by happyclapper on Apr 17, 2020 14:23:29 GMT
I think another issue is going to be when to start the new season. I think we all realise that this season is now over with its just deciding on how it will finish i.e. PPG etc.
The even bigger issue for me will be next season. They are saying that unless we get a vaccine that social distancing will still be in place - how are clubs going to manage that? will next season be delayed?
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Post by delamereal on Apr 17, 2020 14:39:24 GMT
Probably run the next 2 seasons (Premier League anyway) starting in October/November to coincide with the World Cup in Qatar in 2022.
What they would do after that is anybody's guess.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 17, 2020 17:24:45 GMT
I think another issue is going to be when to start the new season. I think we all realise that this season is now over with its just deciding on how it will finish i.e. PPG etc. The even bigger issue for me will be next season. They are saying that unless we get a vaccine that social distancing will still be in place - how are clubs going to manage that? will next season be delayed? Germany, who appear to be in a much better state than us in terms of Covid 19, have said that football will not be allowed until August 31st. Hard to see football returning in the UK until October at best. www.residentadvisor.net/news/72186
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2020 10:59:42 GMT
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Post by avfo on Apr 19, 2020 12:29:14 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that generally speaking, the clubs voting in favour of ending the season now are ones above the relegation zone but too far off the playoffs to have a realistic chance. The ones against it will still fancy their chances of making the playoffs, while the undecided ones will be in the playoff or relegation places and unsure how ending the season will effect them. Everyone is going to vote in their own interests, basically. I can't help but think this is a decision that needs to be made by the league. Yes, listen to the member clubs, but show some leadership. That's basically my thoughts. I think the league are trying to bottle a big decision by handing voting power to the clubs, so that they can hold their hands up and say we voted for it rather than them. But as you say, clubs will of course vote in their own interests, I wouldn't expect anything less, so it makes a mockery of it really. Clubs should have their say which should be part of an informed decision by the league, and then we'll just have to go with whatever they decide. Whatever happens there will be winners and losers in all this, you can't please everyone. The immediate concern should be the financial support to prevent clubs going under, which needs to happen sooner rather than later. Probably for a very good (in their eyes) reason. Handing the decision back to the clubs has effectively removed the very real possibility of legal action being taken against them by certain clubs.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2020 13:12:38 GMT
It amazes me not a single league seems have anything in their handbook, T&Cs or whatever about what to do if a league season cannot be completed. Yes it's a strange situation, but not an unprecedented one - the 1939/40 season had to be abandoned due to the start of the war, albeit after only a few games.
Just seems like they could have covered their backs by saying they were going to apply condition 78c) that you all agreed to upon entry.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Apr 19, 2020 18:51:20 GMT
I’ve not posted much ion here recently as I’m NHS front line and such matters have taken a lot of my time in recent weeks. The second three weeks has two and a half to rum which puts us a third into May. It will be June before any restrictions are lifted. If they really want to finish the season which I just can’t see how they can as testing would be needed contracts already being up etc. It will be a long time before it’s safe for all ages to attend games. At our level without gate income it’s hard going. You can’t stream into pubs etc as wont be safe to do so. The only way I can this season finishing is if somehow players can negotiate terms to finish season then next season needs to be run over a set number of agreed games . I don’t know just a thought. Sadly football ⚽️ has become completely irrelevant and with how things are right now this evening it’s pretty tough . I was really looking forward to what would most likely of resulted in a play off campaign . Now just trying to avoid becoming very ill 😷. What will be will be I guess but my guess is it will be declared nil and void
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Post by utb on Apr 19, 2020 21:15:05 GMT
I can see football getting back underway sometime in July, but I can’t see games being played with crowds until winter time. I suspect leagues like ours will be the first ones allowed to have crowds in England as we play guinea pigs to the Premier League and Championship, who have much bigger crowds and pose the biggest risk of super spreading. Gigs/Concerts/Sporting events with crowds of say 5k plus both indoors and outdoors will be very last to open back up again in the whole country.
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