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Post by Churton Blue on May 20, 2020 13:15:47 GMT
The EFL are not only proposing a Salary Cap but want to bring in maximum 20 senior player squads (over 21) which must include 8 home grown players. Clubs would get a seasons grace to comply with some of the measures. Transition periods for relegated clubs would also apply. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597Surely the National League will now have to follow suit with their own version of this ?
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Post by Lobster on May 20, 2020 14:20:45 GMT
Makes sense really. The lower leagues were probably in need of a bit of a back-to-basics shake-up anyway.
As some people said on the other thread though, I'm not sure a flat division-wide wage cap is the answer. It seems a bit ridiculous to say Sunderland have to spend the same amount as Accrington, or Bradford the same as Crawley, when their sources of income are so different.
Are the ceilings worked out by what the bigger or the smaller clubs can afford? If it's the smaller, aren't the bigger clubs going to end up spending more on their infrastructure while the smaller ones get left behind? And if it's the bigger ones, aren't the smaller clubs going to veer towards the top of a ceiling they can barely afford, thus defeating the object? And surely promotion and relegation creates difficulties?
There's also the argument that lower division footballers have a short career and are not that well paid as it is.
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Post by gezzer on May 20, 2020 16:02:52 GMT
Makes sense really. The lower leagues were probably in need of a bit of a back-to-basics shake-up anyway. As some people said on the other thread though, I'm not sure a flat division-wide wage cap is the answer. It seems a bit ridiculous to say Sunderland have to spend the same amount as Accrington, or Bradford the same as Crawley, when their sources of income are so different. Are the ceilings worked out by what the bigger or the smaller clubs can afford? If it's the smaller, aren't the bigger clubs going to end up spending more on their infrastructure while the smaller ones get left behind? And if it's the bigger ones, aren't the smaller clubs going to veer towards the top of a ceiling they can barely afford, thus defeating the object? And surely promotion and relegation creates difficulties? There's also the argument that lower division footballers have a short career and are not that well paid as it is. Good points made. I can also see a "playground like" scenario where the bigger clubs will get the better players (choice of playing in front of 30k at Sunderland or 2-3k at Accrington) and the less fashionable clubs end up with last man standing. I would also still like to see a debt ceiling introduced to safeguard against unscrupulous owners loading a club with debt then walking away.
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Post by avfo on Jul 27, 2020 12:03:42 GMT
The EFL are not only proposing a Salary Cap but want to bring in maximum 20 senior player squads (over 21) which must include 8 home grown players. Clubs would get a seasons grace to comply with some of the measures. Transition periods for relegated clubs would also apply. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597Surely the National League will now have to follow suit with their own version of this ?
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Post by weareblues on Jul 27, 2020 12:12:14 GMT
The EFL are not only proposing a Salary Cap but want to bring in maximum 20 senior player squads (over 21) which must include 8 home grown players. Clubs would get a seasons grace to comply with some of the measures. Transition periods for relegated clubs would also apply. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597Surely the National League will now have to follow suit with their own version of this ?Great news
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Post by exiled on Jul 27, 2020 12:35:24 GMT
The EFL are not only proposing a Salary Cap but want to bring in maximum 20 senior player squads (over 21) which must include 8 home grown players. Clubs would get a seasons grace to comply with some of the measures. Transition periods for relegated clubs would also apply. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597Surely the National League will now have to follow suit with their own version of this ? You'd think so. IMO any proposal that encourages clubs to recruit from their youth systems is a only a good thing.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jul 27, 2020 13:22:38 GMT
Be very interesting to know who the 12 clubs are making the proposal. The figures quoted for the proposal look high to me and in the case of the NLN/NLS very high. Based on the contextual information from Ollie Bayliss then 750k and 375k would appear to be realistic, fairer and more in line with current spending.
The figures proposed look more suited to the bigger clubs and those with Sugar Daddy owners. There are 72 clubs in the National League so a Salary Cap and other FFP measures should reflect the interests of the 72 clubs not the vested interests of certain owners.
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Post by superman on Jul 27, 2020 14:18:34 GMT
The EFL are not only proposing a Salary Cap but want to bring in maximum 20 senior player squads (over 21) which must include 8 home grown players. Clubs would get a seasons grace to comply with some of the measures. Transition periods for relegated clubs would also apply. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52738597Surely the National League will now have to follow suit with their own version of this ? You'd think so. IMO any proposal that encourages clubs to recruit from their youth systems is a only a good thing. Agreed, but difficult to imagine that any National League team squad could ever include 8 home grown players over the age of 21. Some probably don’t even have academy/youth teams.
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Post by exiled on Jul 27, 2020 14:51:34 GMT
You'd think so. IMO any proposal that encourages clubs to recruit from their youth systems is a only a good thing. Agreed, but difficult to imagine that any National League team squad could ever include 8 home grown players over the age of 21. Some probably don’t even have academy/youth teams. Yes that's a good point.
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Post by henry on Jul 28, 2020 12:13:12 GMT
How would you define a "home grown player"? It may seem to bs simple, but is it. Say a player has been released by Tranmere aged 15,16,17 or 18 and joined Chester, when would they qualiy as home grown or would they never qualify as they have spent time at another club Perhaps there could be a qualifing period but it is a minefield for clubs that don't have a recognised reserve or junior side,
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Post by gezzer on Jul 28, 2020 12:39:10 GMT
Definition of a home grown player:
UEFA defines locally-trained or 'homegrown' players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 6, 2020 9:33:22 GMT
Covid is beginning to bite hard in the lower leagues as 15 clubs withdraw from leagues link
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Post by agl on Aug 6, 2020 11:00:23 GMT
Covid is beginning to bite hard in the lower leagues as 15 clubs withdraw from leagues linkDrolysden added to the list...resigned from Northern Premier league and all cup competitions. Not clear if it's the end of the club but doesn't look good. Almost impossible to see how many clubs can survive with TV revenue. I've pretty much written off next season...just hope we emerge on the other side.
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Post by avfo on Aug 8, 2020 14:44:45 GMT
A salary cap for EFL league 1+2 clubs has finally been agreed and came into force yesterday. The caps are £2.5 million and £1.5 million respectively. The EFL had originally intended for the caps to be introduced back in June, however due to a number of clubs indicating they would vote against the plan, the date from which the rules would take effect was pushed from June, then July and finally into August .This 'window' effectively enabled clubs to sign new players or extend existing contracts, safe in the knowledge that whatever the players were being paid their wages would be capped at the relevant divisional average for the duration of their contracts.
EFL statement -
Clubs in League One and League Two have today voted for the introduction of new financial controls in the form of ‘Squad Salary Caps’ into their respective divisions which take effect immediately. The decision follows extensive and comprehensive consultation with all Clubs in respect of addressing sustainability and wage inflation issues across the EFL which were initiated prior to the suspension of football in March following the COVID-19 outbreak and have continued during the course of the summer. Those discussions culminated in today’s divisional vote, with representatives of League One and League Two Clubs opting to implement the new measures in place of the existing Salary Cost Management Protocols (SCMP), with fixed caps of £2.5million and £1.5million respectively. Discussions continue with Championship Clubs in respect to amendments to their own financial controls. League One and Two Clubs are also going to continue discussions towards the introduction of additional measures aimed at addressing Club financial sustainability. When calculating total salary spending, the ‘cap’ includes: – Basic Wages; – Taxes; – Bonuses; – Image rights; – Agents’ fees and; – Other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
Payments directly linked to a Club’s progression in cup competitions or promotion are excluded from the Cap, while any income generated from players going out on loan is deducted from the Club’s Salary Cap calculation. Transition arrangements have been incorporated in respect of a Club’s squad salary cap calculation with the key element of these aimed at addressing committed contracts and relegated Clubs. Any contract entered into on or prior to today’s vote will be capped at an agreed divisional average until that contract expires. Moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire. An ‘overrun’ concept is also included if a Club’s total squad salary payments exceed the Cap by up to 5%, whereby dependent on the percentage level of the overrun, a financial penalty would be payable for every £1 in excess. Clubs exceeding the ‘overrun’ would be referred to an Independent Disciplinary Commission, although the EFL will monitor the Cap on a real-time basis throughout the season as is the current position with SCMP measures across the two divisions. Where breaches do occur, sanction guidelines are in place to be considered as appropriate by an independent Disciplinary Commission. EFL CEO, David Baldwin said: “The term ‘salary cap’ is an emotive one, creating the impression of a restrictive measure but we are clear in our view that this is neither the objective nor the likely effect of these changes to EFL Regulations. The financial impact of Covid-19 will be profound for EFL Clubs and today’s vote will help ensure Clubs cannot extend themselves to the point that could cause financial instability. “Over the last two weeks the discussions amongst Clubs in both Leagues One and Two have been healthy and constructive, allowing us to reach a clear consensus today and I am pleased that the Clubs have determined to adopt the new approach. We will now work with all Clubs, the PFA and, where appropriate, other stakeholders to implement the new rules and continue our efforts to bring long-term sustainability to the EFL.”
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 8, 2020 16:43:00 GMT
Knowing the National League it would take 5 years to get any agreement, or decision, on anything like this.
Seems a sensible approach from the League 1 and 2 clubs. It takes the pressure off to keep matching wages and over stretching themselves. Now players, and clubs, know the limits and divisional averages.
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