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Post by dc2cfc on Jun 5, 2020 13:11:08 GMT
After just finding out that Asante has just left us, it has left me feeling frustrated with the EFL and National League as were still in June and yet no decision has been made whilst other clubs are getting ready for next season in terms of recruitment whenever that may begin. I can't see the play offs happening at all with players out of contract and on Furlough.
As an idea do we feel as a club and fans it would be good to kick start the Season Ticket Sales and New Kits (Once Delivered) to give the managers an indication of what budget we have for next season ?
If well advertised and coverage on Social Media/Local Press it would get some sort of momentum going. Weekly updates on Season Tickets/Shirt Sales?
As the season won't be starting for a while the payment process could be spread over X amount of months to ease the payment for supporters.
Thoughts ?
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Post by weareblues on Jun 5, 2020 13:45:43 GMT
After just finding out that Asante has just left us, it has left me feeling frustrated with the EFL and National League as were still in June and yet no decision has been made whilst other clubs are getting ready for next season in terms of recruitment whenever that may begin. I can't see the play offs happening at all with players out of contract and on Furlough. As an idea do we feel as a club and fans it would be good to kick start the Season Ticket Sales and New Kits (Once Delivered) to give the managers an indication of what budget we have for next season ? If well advertised and coverage on Social Media/Local Press it would get some sort of momentum going. Weekly updates on Season Tickets/Shirt Sales? As the season won't be starting for a while the payment process could be spread over X amount of months to ease the payment for supporters. Thoughts ? Been saying this for weeks and we’re doing nothing as per usual Shambles. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 5, 2020 13:49:37 GMT
It’d be unwise to sell ST’s now when we have no idea when the season will start. Say we sell 1,000 in June and July but the season starts in January? We don’t even know if the leagues will be reorganised and we’d be playing a northern section of a L2/NLP/NLN almagamation.
Too many unknowns.
The new kits I’d agree with, hopefully we have an update very soon, as well as other fundraising initiatives.
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Post by superhans on Jun 5, 2020 13:52:21 GMT
After just finding out that Asante has just left us, it has left me feeling frustrated with the EFL and National League as were still in June and yet no decision has been made whilst other clubs are getting ready for next season in terms of recruitment whenever that may begin. I can't see the play offs happening at all with players out of contract and on Furlough. As an idea do we feel as a club and fans it would be good to kick start the Season Ticket Sales and New Kits (Once Delivered) to give the managers an indication of what budget we have for next season ? If well advertised and coverage on Social Media/Local Press it would get some sort of momentum going. Weekly updates on Season Tickets/Shirt Sales? As the season won't be starting for a while the payment process could be spread over X amount of months to ease the payment for supporters. Thoughts ? Been saying this for weeks and we’re doing nothing as per usual Shambles. Pretty sure we need to get clarification re how and when the league will be finishe. Slim chance but imagine we end off in a play-off place and promoted but we've already sold our usual ST amount, whereas with a promotion these could potentially be increased in cost. Everybody is frustrated but need more info from the National League before these things can be rolled out. Patience is key at the minute. |
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Post by dc2cfc on Jun 5, 2020 13:56:06 GMT
It’d be unwise to sell ST’s now when we have no idea when the season will start. Say we sell 1,000 in June and July but the season starts in January? We don’t even know if the leagues will be reorganised and we’d be playing a northern section of a L2/NLP/NLN almagamation. Too many unknowns. The new kits I’d agree with, hopefully we have an update very soon, as well as other fundraising initiatives. But we could offer out 2 different options for different scenarios/league whatever they may turn out to be? Lets be honest, the National League couldn't organize a paper round. So we shouldn't wait for them to make a decision, let's be proactive and not reactive to get our club in the best position for the next season. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 5, 2020 13:57:42 GMT
It’d be unwise to sell ST’s now when we have no idea when the season will start. Say we sell 1,000 in June and July but the season starts in January? We don’t even know if the leagues will be reorganised and we’d be playing a northern section of a L2/NLP/NLN almagamation. Too many unknowns. The new kits I’d agree with, hopefully we have an update very soon, as well as other fundraising initiatives. But we could offer out 2 different options for different scenarios/league whatever they may turn out to be? Lets be honest, the National League couldn't organize a paper round. So we shouldn't wait for them to make a decision, let's be proactive and not reactive to get our club in the best position for the next season. Logistical nightmare. |
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Post by scott on Jun 5, 2020 16:31:38 GMT
After just finding out that Asante has just left us, it has left me feeling frustrated with the EFL and National League as were still in June and yet no decision has been made whilst other clubs are getting ready for next season in terms of recruitment whenever that may begin. I can't see the play offs happening at all with players out of contract and on Furlough. As an idea do we feel as a club and fans it would be good to kick start the Season Ticket Sales and New Kits (Once Delivered) to give the managers an indication of what budget we have for next season ? If well advertised and coverage on Social Media/Local Press it would get some sort of momentum going. Weekly updates on Season Tickets/Shirt Sales? As the season won't be starting for a while the payment process could be spread over X amount of months to ease the payment for supporters. Thoughts ? It will be hard to release season tickets as we dont know what league we are going to be in and we dont know how many games fans will be allowed in the ground. Club is being sensible by not giving the managers a budget without knowing all the facts |
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Post by chesterblueboy on Jun 5, 2020 17:16:49 GMT
Just a suggestion (& I appreciate that there will be some that this terrible disease has affected financially, as well as health wise) but there are some (retired, key workers, government employees) who will ironically be better off (reduced travel costs, less to spend your money on etc.)
How about we sell season tickets (Adult price) for £300, you have to accept that you may not see a game before Christmas or how many games you will see?
I sensed a growing frustration from Johnno’s twitter posts that they have no idea of budgets for next season??
I for one would be happy to support the club in that way (& I feel that many others will too), if it would enable the club to give an idea of next years budgets.
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Post by superman on Jun 5, 2020 18:27:50 GMT
Possibly a scheme where people reserved their season ticket by paying say 50% of the price now, with the balance to be paid when the new season is announced. This would then give the club a clearer indication of likely season ticket numbers and aid budgeting. This could be time limited early bird offer. I am sure most regular renewers would go for this. Should we end up in another league then adjustments to final payments could be accommodated.
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Post by Blockhead on Jun 5, 2020 23:38:53 GMT
Possibly a scheme where people reserved their season ticket by paying say 50% of the price now, with the balance to be paid when the new season is announced. This would then give the club a clearer indication of likely season ticket numbers and aid budgeting. This could be time limited early bird offer. I am sure most regular renewers would go for this. Should we end up in another league then adjustments to final payments could be accommodated. I can't see a take up on people 'reserving' STs. For what benefit? - we're hardly likely to sell out! Our fans will have enough financial uncertainty to deal with as it is to bother about paying half their season ticket months in advance without knowing which league we will be playing in/what our leagues will look like. The only advance payments I could see working is a monthly payment, but even then, now is too soon to implement that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 7:12:24 GMT
As a club we have a lot of older and retired season ticket holders. I am one of them and during this lockdown I have spent hardly anything on fuel, pub, meals and days out. And I don't think I am alone, from what I have heard. So I would definitely pay 50% of my season ticket up front. We need to start something as it will be a mad scramble for cash if we dont
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Post by superman on Jun 6, 2020 7:47:06 GMT
Possibly a scheme where people reserved their season ticket by paying say 50% of the price now, with the balance to be paid when the new season is announced. This would then give the club a clearer indication of likely season ticket numbers and aid budgeting. This could be time limited early bird offer. I am sure most regular renewers would go for this. Should we end up in another league then adjustments to final payments could be accommodated. I can't see a take up on people 'reserving' STs. For what benefit? - we're hardly likely to sell out! Our fans will have enough financial uncertainty to deal with as it is to bother about paying half their season ticket months in advance without in knowing which league we will be playing in/what our leagues will look like. The only advance payments I could see working is a monthly payment, but even then, now is too soon to implement that. This is about benefit to the club and not benefit to the individual. Think what a positive indication it would be if several hundred people show their continued support, whatever the league or make up would be. I think it could work. |
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Post by dc2cfc on Jun 6, 2020 7:58:20 GMT
50% as an initial payment is a great idea and would certainly get the momentum going
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Post by Blockhead on Jun 6, 2020 12:33:42 GMT
I can't see a take up on people 'reserving' STs. For what benefit? - we're hardly likely to sell out! Our fans will have enough financial uncertainty to deal with as it is to bother about paying half their season ticket months in advance without in knowing which league we will be playing in/what our leagues will look like. The only advance payments I could see working is a monthly payment, but even then, now is too soon to implement that. This is about benefit to the club and not benefit to the individual. Think what a positive indication it would be if several hundred people show their continued support, whatever the league or make up would be. I think it could work. Reality is the benefit to the individual will be on people's minds at the minute. |
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Post by scott on Jun 6, 2020 12:41:00 GMT
What if they don pay the other 50%? Are the club setting a budget on the basis that they will receive full payment?
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Post by superman on Jun 6, 2020 13:16:06 GMT
What if they don pay the other 50%? Are the club setting a budget on the basis that they will receive full payment? Both valid questions. I think, but stand to be corrected, that budgets have been set in previous years on estimated season ticket and pay on the gate sales. In some ways offering 50% deposit/reservation scheme at an early stage may aid budgeting in more uncertain times. Deposits only to be refundable if season isn’t scheduled to restart by a defined date. Would many people who buy season tickets year in year out not pay the balance? However I understand your concerns which have validity and would need to be considered by the decision makers. |
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Post by MPW on Jun 7, 2020 0:00:41 GMT
If we haven’t already looked at it, I think the club should be looking options to live stream matches if they have to be played behind closed doors.
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Post by chesterblueboy on Jun 7, 2020 16:40:42 GMT
I’m sure when FCUM started they streamed matches, with volunteers commentating (as we have now with Seals live audio stream).
If the National League get their fingers out (unlikely!!) they could set this up for all clubs, to enable fans to see all games home and away without stepping on the toes of BT Sport (I think the contract for that is up anyway). They need to be realistic that it’s looking unlikely that full attendances will be allowed for at least 6-12 months, and their clubs will need income.
I’d be happy to pay £200 for home and away fixtures for the 1st 6 months of season 20/21 or fans could pay £40 per month (a fraction of the Sky Subscription) for the same access.
I don’t think anyone would expect 4K quality pictures with 20 cameras but, with sponsorship, the cost of a basic 3 camera set up should not be too expensive??
The league as a whole need to be discussing ideas like this not ‘messing about’ with fanciful play off ideas when clubs have the majority of players out of contract!!
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Post by exiled on Jun 7, 2020 19:20:21 GMT
I’m sure when FCUM started they streamed matches, with volunteers commentating (as we have now with Seals live audio stream). If the National League get their fingers out (unlikely!!) they could set this up for all clubs, to enable fans to see all games home and away without stepping on the toes of BT Sport (I think the contract for that is up anyway). They need to be realistic that it’s looking unlikely that full attendances will be allowed for at least 6-12 months, and their clubs will need income. I’d be happy to pay £200 for home and away fixtures for the 1st 6 months of season 20/21 or fans could pay £40 per month (a fraction of the Sky Subscription) for the same access. I don’t think anyone would expect 4K quality pictures with 20 cameras but, with sponsorship, the cost of a basic 3 camera set up should not be too expensive?? The league as a whole need to be discussing ideas like this not ‘messing about’ with fanciful play off ideas when clubs have the majority of players out of contract!! I mentioned live streaming a while back on another thread. From what I could gather, we could potentially stream a live home game between £500 and 900,depending on other factors such as,number of cameras,streaming platform, potential target audience etc. BT have streaming rights untill the end of 2021 season, but this could be a good time for the National league to renegotiate with BT that would allow clubs the right to stream their own games. If football at our level is allowed to continue next year behind closed doors it's not feasible for clubs without a paying audience to operate. Even if it's allowed to continue with social distancing in place and in our case say a reduced crowd of 800 season ticket holders, would that be enough revenue for our club to survive bearing in mind some of the season ticket holders have concessions. So a combination of a socially distanced crowd,plus a televised audience could be the answer. As you say these are some of the issues the National league should be looking at. |
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Post by avfo on Jun 7, 2020 19:46:47 GMT
I’m sure when FCUM started they streamed matches, with volunteers commentating (as we have now with Seals live audio stream). If the National League get their fingers out (unlikely!!) they could set this up for all clubs, to enable fans to see all games home and away without stepping on the toes of BT Sport (I think the contract for that is up anyway). They need to be realistic that it’s looking unlikely that full attendances will be allowed for at least 6-12 months, and their clubs will need income. I’d be happy to pay £200 for home and away fixtures for the 1st 6 months of season 20/21 or fans could pay £40 per month (a fraction of the Sky Subscription) for the same access. I don’t think anyone would expect 4K quality pictures with 20 cameras but, with sponsorship, the cost of a basic 3 camera set up should not be too expensive?? The league as a whole need to be discussing ideas like this not ‘messing about’ with fanciful play off ideas when clubs have the majority of players out of contract!! I mentioned live streaming a while back on another thread. From what I could gather, we could potentially stream a live home game between £500 and 900,depending on other factors such as,number of cameras,streaming platform, potential target audience etc. BT have streaming rights untill the end of 2021 season, but this could be a good time for the National league to renegotiate with BT that would allow clubs the right to stream their own games. If football at our level is allowed to continue next year behind closed doors it's not feasible for clubs without a paying audience to operate. Even if it's allowed to continue with social distancing in place and in our case say a reduced crowd of 800 season ticket holders, would that be enough revenue for our club to survive bearing in mind some of the season ticket holders have concessions. So a combination of a socially distanced crowd,plus a televised audience could be the answer. As you say these are some of the issues the National league should be looking at. The National League's board seem to have have indicated that although the playoffs (should they go ahead), will be played behind closed doors, it would be unfeasible for next season to begin behind closed doors. There is talk doing the rounds that suggests that if social distancing measures remain as is, then the season could start in late September/October with attendances limited to 20-25% of the grounds capacity. |
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