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Post by luckyblue on Sept 30, 2020 15:17:22 GMT
I was sat amongst the players for one of the pre season friendlies....Paddy Lacey was two seats away from me. The rest of the CFC squad/subs were seated around and were in awe of his infectious and positive approach. I was impressed with him to. Certainly worth giving another chance to him. 👍🤞
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Post by Lobster on Sept 30, 2020 15:27:19 GMT
Part of being a responsible community club is showing forgiveness and giving people a chance to better themselves and improve their lives.
It's not progressive to just hound anyone with a criminal record out of any job they get. Do that and they'll probably just turn back to crime.
Clearly the lad has had a colourful past, but let's hope that with a positive environment around him, he can move on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 15:28:49 GMT
Part of being a responsible community club is showing forgiveness and giving people a chance to better themselves and improve their lives. It's not progressive to just hound anyone with a criminal record out of any job they get. Do that and they'll probably just turn back to crime. Clearly the lad has had a colourful past, but let's hope that with a positive environment around him, he can move on. Well said lobster. These people hounding him already are a disgrace
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 30, 2020 15:30:43 GMT
The new Mancot Blue is a obvious wind up account. 😂 Think you meant Mancott. As per the Presbyterian church spelling. I just don’t like the signing of Lacey for the aforementioned reasons. I’m uncomfortable with my kids seeing him as a role model regardless of time spent. As for fans / owners taking or possessing drugs - I’m against that too. Not the kind of environment we want to live in is it. Any issues cfc1885 and I’ll see you in the Mex, Pentre. I was more of a White Bear guy when I lived in Mancot. Think you’re spelling it the English way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 15:31:19 GMT
Part of being a responsible community club is showing forgiveness and giving people a chance to better themselves and improve their lives. It's not progressive to just hound anyone with a criminal record out of any job they get. Do that and they'll probably just turn back to crime. Clearly the lad has had a colourful past, but let's hope that with a positive environment around him, he can move on. Well said lobster. These people hounding him already are a disgrace You are a complete utter tit
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Post by devadiva on Sept 30, 2020 15:33:28 GMT
Part of being a responsible community club is showing forgiveness and giving people a chance to better themselves and improve their lives. It's not progressive to just hound anyone with a criminal record out of any job they get. Do that and they'll probably just turn back to crime. Clearly the lad has had a colourful past, but let's hope that with a positive environment around him, he can move on. I agree and we can be sure of one thing, Bern and Jonno won’t take any sh1t from the players without addressing it head on. I’ve got faith in them being able to handle this - especially when it’s so easy to end his contract and they have track record of doing this with Robbo.
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Post by Si on Sept 30, 2020 15:44:36 GMT
I’ve just deleted the tosser off here. Imagine having such little going on in your life that you spend time on a Chester forum pretending to be a Chester fan when you actually follow Wrexham. He needs professional help, or perhaps to discover girls or something.
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Post by cfc1885 on Sept 30, 2020 15:47:46 GMT
Has he deleted his account 😂
Regardless who’s arsed what paddy’s done in last long as he puts a shift in for us which he has been doing
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Post by Si on Sept 30, 2020 16:08:54 GMT
Has he deleted his account 😂 Regardless who’s arsed what paddy’s done in last long as he puts a shift in for us which he has been doing I deleted it for him, hopefully he goes and gives his head a wobble. If nobody gives lads like Paddy a chance then how do they ever better themselves? He is in his twenties, got his whole life ahead of him and I’m sure it’s not lost on him that Bern and Johnno have given him a great opportunity to rebuild his career and help him become a better person. I’d much prefer us to take a chance a talented young man rather than write him off. If nobody gives him a chance then he is more likely to return to a life of crime out of desperation to pay his bills. Looking forward to see what he has to offer in blue and white. He will also be aware than our managers are not quite the Jon McCarthy types, if they aren’t happy with his application then they won’t suffer it. Worth remembering this it’s initially a short term deal, so if it doesn’t work out then he won’t be here long, but from my point of view I’d love him to grasp this chance and do well for us.
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Post by g1 on Sept 30, 2020 16:15:40 GMT
Look everyone having a go at paddy yet not seeing the other things there is convicted wife beater playing for Watford Lee Hughes killed 2 people Luke McCormick killed 2 children yet they got a second chance ched Evans as well don't know what he did but he served his time and wants another chance
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Post by Si on Sept 30, 2020 16:17:55 GMT
So with today’s signings do we all of a sudden look a bit too crowded with midfield options? Not such an issue if we play a formation with 3 in the middle of the park, otherwise it’s take your pick for whoever plays alongside Glendon, which would likely be either Weeks or Lacey I imagine. I would personally like to see us go with 3 in the middle for those tough away games where we seem to lose the battle in midfield, and rely on the quality of Jackson and JJ to provide the width to support the frontman but also drop in when needed.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 30, 2020 16:24:21 GMT
So with today’s signings do we all of a sudden look a bit too crowded with midfield options? Not such an issue if we play a formation with 3 in the middle of the park, otherwise it’s take your pick for whoever plays alongside Glendon, which would likely be either Weeks or Lacey I imagine. I would personally like to see us go with 3 in the middle for those tough away games where we seem to lose the battle in midfield, and rely on the quality of Jackson and JJ to provide the width to support the frontman but also drop in when needed. Think that’s about right, with the players we now have. Our away form is poor compared with our home record and I think a lot of that comes down to the system we tend to employ. We need to be hard to beat away from home and nick wins, so three in midfield with the aforementioned wingers is flexible enough to be a 4-5-1 defensively and a 4-3-3 when we are on the attack.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Sept 30, 2020 16:45:34 GMT
Weeks and Bauress astute signings but can’t have Paddy Lacey. He’s nothing but trouble and I’ll take a hammering for this, but he’s not someone I’d like representing the club. All for giving people second chances (Robbo), but there's a difference between having a drug/drink problem and being a convicted drug dealer. Pretty sure I'm correct, that this Paddy Lacey is the Accy Stanley lad caught selling drugs at a festival and with counterfeit money? Not someone we should be employing as a 'community club'. So then, just to be clear, you aren't actually in favour of giving people second chances are you?
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Post by rhodri on Sept 30, 2020 17:03:22 GMT
So with today’s signings do we all of a sudden look a bit too crowded with midfield options? Not such an issue if we play a formation with 3 in the middle of the park, otherwise it’s take your pick for whoever plays alongside Glendon, which would likely be either Weeks or Lacey I imagine. I would personally like to see us go with 3 in the middle for those tough away games where we seem to lose the battle in midfield, and rely on the quality of Jackson and JJ to provide the width to support the frontman but also drop in when needed. Think that’s about right, with the players we now have. Our away form is poor compared with our home record and I think a lot of that comes down to the system we tend to employ. We need to be hard to beat away from home and nick wins, so three in midfield with the aforementioned wingers is flexible enough to be a 4-5-1 defensively and a 4-3-3 when we are on the attack. As well as we saw in at least 1 friendly (Radcliffe definitely, maybe others) , I wouldn't be surprised if Robbo maybe sees game time at right back, with Kev Roberts covering at centre back too
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Post by avfo on Sept 30, 2020 17:52:08 GMT
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Post by alancfc on Sept 30, 2020 18:00:29 GMT
All for giving people second chances (Robbo), but there's a difference between having a drug/drink problem and being a convicted drug dealer. Pretty sure I'm correct, that this Paddy Lacey is the Accy Stanley lad caught selling drugs at a festival and with counterfeit money? Not someone we should be employing as a 'community club'. So then, just to be clear, you aren't actually in favour of giving people second chances are you? Appropriate second chances, it is not appropriate to have a person in a position where they are looked up to by children, when they have committed crimes that kill and pray on their vulnerabilities. Genuine question, seen as though everyone on here seems to see in support of offering all players a second chance; would you welcome the signing of Adam Johnson to Chester Fc?
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Post by Jack on Sept 30, 2020 18:01:52 GMT
Only been to the Marine game but was impressed with Paddy Lacey. Good player, dominated the midfield and could play a bit.
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Post by delamereal on Sept 30, 2020 18:24:03 GMT
So then, just to be clear, you aren't actually in favour of giving people second chances are you? Appropriate second chances , it is not appropriate to have a person in a position where they are looked up to by children, when they have committed crimes that kill and pray on their vulnerabilities.Genuine question, seen as though everyone on here seems to see in support of offering all players a second chance; would you welcome the signing of Adam Johnson to Chester Fc? Would it not be more inspiring to children to see how someone has turned their lives around when they set their mind to it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 18:30:24 GMT
So then, just to be clear, you aren't actually in favour of giving people second chances are you? Appropriate second chances, it is not appropriate to have a person in a position where they are looked up to by children, when they have committed crimes that kill and pray on their vulnerabilities. Genuine question, seen as though everyone on here seems to see in support of offering all players a second chance; would you welcome the signing of Adam Johnson to Chester Fc? You wouldn’t compare a burglar (scumbag) to a murderer (scumbag) would you, so why compare someone charged with drug possession with a paedophile?
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Post by Si on Sept 30, 2020 18:31:59 GMT
So then, just to be clear, you aren't actually in favour of giving people second chances are you? Appropriate second chances, it is not appropriate to have a person in a position where they are looked up to by children, when they have committed crimes that kill and pray on their vulnerabilities. Genuine question, seen as though everyone on here seems to see in support of offering all players a second chance; would you welcome the signing of Adam Johnson to Chester Fc? It’s different and you know it. You wouldn’t place a known pedofile in a working situation where he would be in regular contact with young people. I’m not condoning what Paddy did but the nature of the offence compared to what you have suggested is hugely different. Adam Johnson used his profile as a footballer to groom an underage girl who was vulnerable to his advances - if we signed him there would be uproar and rightly so. The world of football is not appropriate for Adam Johnson to continue his rehabilitation. He is fortunate enough to have amassed a fortune from being a Premier League and international footballer therefore needn’t ever work a day ever again anyway.
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Post by alancfc on Sept 30, 2020 18:40:42 GMT
Appropriate second chances, it is not appropriate to have a person in a position where they are looked up to by children, when they have committed crimes that kill and pray on their vulnerabilities. Genuine question, seen as though everyone on here seems to see in support of offering all players a second chance; would you welcome the signing of Adam Johnson to Chester Fc? It’s different and you know it. You wouldn’t place a known pedofile in a working situation where he would be in regular contact with young people. I’m not condoning what Paddy did but the nature of the offence compared to what you have suggested is hugely different. Adam Johnson used his profile as a footballer to groom an underage girl who was vulnerable to his advances - if we signed him there would be uproar and rightly so. The world of football is not appropriate for Adam Johnson to continue his rehabilitation. He is fortunate enough to have amassed a fortune from being a Premier League and international footballer therefore needn’t ever work a day ever again anyway. The nature of their crimes are different, but the fact they are criminals are not. Paedophiles are truly devils; but to the same extent drug dealers cut their ‘goods’ with chemical agents that can easily kill, knowingly giving these to young adults and children is equally as dangerous to a child as any pedo.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 30, 2020 18:41:07 GMT
Major double standards on both sides of this debate I see.
What makes kissing an underage girl worse than selling drugs to teenagers? What makes selling drugs to teenagers worse than kissing an underage girl?
It’s funny seeing both sides trying to set a hierarchy of scummery.
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Post by alancfc on Sept 30, 2020 18:48:49 GMT
Major double standards on both sides of this debate I see. What makes kissing an underage girl worse than selling drugs to teenagers? What makes selling drugs to teenagers worse than kissing an underage girl? It’s funny seeing both sides trying to set a hierarchy of scummery. Thankfully some understands the point is not that one is a greater evil than the other, but that neither, should be in the position of having the privilege of playing football again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 18:54:54 GMT
Major double standards on both sides of this debate I see. What makes kissing an underage girl worse than selling drugs to teenagers? What makes selling drugs to teenagers worse than kissing an underage girl? It’s funny seeing both sides trying to set a hierarchy of scummery. No double standards here. A drug dealer needs a customer ie somebody wants their product and chooses to partake in drug use. A paedophile is the dirtiest animal on the planet by preying on children who don’t know better!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 30, 2020 18:56:20 GMT
Major double standards on both sides of this debate I see. What makes kissing an underage girl worse than selling drugs to teenagers? What makes selling drugs to teenagers worse than kissing an underage girl? It’s funny seeing both sides trying to set a hierarchy of scummery. No double standards here. A drug dealer needs a customer ie somebody wants their product and chooses to partake in drug use. A paedophile is the dirtiest animal on the planet by preying on children who don’t know better! Didn’t Adam Johnson’s victim want him though? It was widely known that she did. Obviously he should’ve known better, but so should any drug dealer too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 18:59:12 GMT
No double standards here. A drug dealer needs a customer ie somebody wants their product and chooses to partake in drug use. A paedophile is the dirtiest animal on the planet by preying on children who don’t know better! Didn’t Adam Johnson’s victim want him though? It was widely known that she did. Obviously he should’ve known better, but so should any drug dealer too. Mate, she was a minor!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 30, 2020 19:00:39 GMT
Didn’t Adam Johnson’s victim want him though? It was widely known that she did. Obviously he should’ve known better, but so should any drug dealer too. Mate, she was a minor! I know, and so are some of the “customers” you mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 19:02:17 GMT
I know, and so are some of the “customers” you mentioned. Are you suggesting Paddy Lacey was selling drugs to minors at a festival or are you just going off on a really weird comparison trip of paedophiles and drug dealers?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 30, 2020 19:04:47 GMT
Yes the thread has rapidly deviated.
Was merely countering the bizarre point that some posters made about drug dealing not being that bad a crime just because he’s now a Chester player.
Was the same on here with the whole Stopforth drink driving thing; interesting seeing the reaction on here to that compared with the reaction to James Gray and Dean Saunders.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 19:10:40 GMT
Yes the thread has rapidly deviated. Was merely countering the bizarre point that some posters made about drug dealing not being that bad a crime just because he’s now a Chester player. Was the same on here with the whole Stopforth drink driving thing; interesting seeing the reaction on here to that compared with the reaction to James Gray and Dean Saunders. Are you in the camp of giving convicted criminals a second chance at rebuilding their career at Chester?
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