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Post by Forever Blue on Jun 18, 2020 18:58:35 GMT
How the hell can it cost 50k to play a game of football with little or no fans ?
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Post by MMc on Jun 18, 2020 19:34:59 GMT
I don’t think we should pullout of the playoffs as it would send all the wrong messages.Its going to be a tough ask winning it,playing all games away but playing behind closed doors does not have the same benefit as normal for the home teams.If we did go up the budget would be boosted by being in the National league.Surely BT will up the monies they pay for televising the games as a goodwill gesture knowing the clubs are struggling. As has been discussed we could end up in a regional league almagamated between L2/NL/NLN next season (whenever that starts) anyway. Yes, it's possible they could regionalise leagues. But it is far more likely they will keep things the same. I'm yet to see any costs from reliable sources, rather than figures plucked out of fresh air from chairmen. Best just waiting for the league to say how much it will cost before we decide one way or the other what the right thing to do is.
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Jun 18, 2020 20:25:12 GMT
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Post by jimgreen on Jun 18, 2020 20:25:12 GMT
There is a meeting of NLN/NLS clubs tomorrow afternoon.
I’m sure every club has lots of questions to help them understand the financial implications of taking part in the play-offs. These will primarily be around the cost of bringing players and staff back from furlough leave for training and matches, logistical arrangements including sanitising stadiums and hosting games, and testing.
I think the figures being quoted are based on various assumptions (reflecting EFL procedures) and may or may not prove to be correct.
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Jun 19, 2020 0:19:59 GMT
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Post by sqzl on Jun 19, 2020 0:19:59 GMT
Out of interest....does anyone know if we have a Bid Writer for the club given the amount of sports grants at the moment due to Covid? We’ve just secured £20k at our college to fund socially distanced sports sessions and specialists equipment. Took us a day to put the bid together.
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Post by Forever Blue on Jun 19, 2020 0:59:30 GMT
There is a meeting of NLN/NLS clubs tomorrow afternoon. I’m sure every club has lots of questions to help them understand the financial implications of taking part in the play-offs. These will primarily be around the cost of bringing players and staff back from furlough leave for training and matches, logistical arrangements including sanitising stadiums and hosting games, and testing. I think the figures being quoted are based on various assumptions (reflecting EFL procedures) and may or may not prove to be correct. Even so if the figure is anywhere near 50k that is ridiculous in this league for matches that will be played with little or no fans, i doubt it is even costing premiershit clubs that amount of money its a joke. Clubs have been closed for how long so how will they need sanitising yet your local bin man can pick up a bag of snotty tissues after 72 hours and it is deemed safe, i get peoples safety comes first but seriously this is a joke. 50K my ass.
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Jun 19, 2020 5:23:27 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jun 19, 2020 5:23:27 GMT
Out of interest....does anyone know if we have a Bid Writer for the club given the amount of sports grants at the moment due to Covid? We’ve just secured £20k at our college to fund socially distanced sports sessions and specialists equipment. Took us a day to put the bid together. Sounds like the job's yours, well volunteered!
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Jun 19, 2020 10:25:42 GMT
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Post by The Swansway on Jun 19, 2020 10:25:42 GMT
There is a meeting of NLN/NLS clubs tomorrow afternoon. I’m sure every club has lots of questions to help them understand the financial implications of taking part in the play-offs. These will primarily be around the cost of bringing players and staff back from furlough leave for training and matches, logistical arrangements including sanitising stadiums and hosting games, and testing. I think the figures being quoted are based on various assumptions (reflecting EFL procedures) and may or may not prove to be correct. Even so if the figure is anywhere near 50k that is ridiculous in this league for matches that will be played with little or no fans, i doubt it is even costing premiershit clubs that amount of money its a joke. Clubs have been closed for how long so how will they need sanitising yet your local bin man can pick up a bag of snotty tissues after 72 hours and it is deemed safe, i get peoples safety comes first but seriously this is a joke. 50K my ass. 50k is just Mancot scarmongering. Common knowledge he doesn't want us to get promotion.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Jun 19, 2020 10:52:25 GMT
Even so if the figure is anywhere near 50k that is ridiculous in this league for matches that will be played with little or no fans, i doubt it is even costing premiershit clubs that amount of money its a joke. Clubs have been closed for how long so how will they need sanitising yet your local bin man can pick up a bag of snotty tissues after 72 hours and it is deemed safe, i get peoples safety comes first but seriously this is a joke. 50K my ass. 50k is just Mancot scarmongering. Common knowledge he doesn't want us to get promotion. Don't be saying that ! He'll be changing his name again 😁
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Jun 19, 2020 11:22:04 GMT
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Post by bluestokie on Jun 19, 2020 11:22:04 GMT
York might just being being a game of cards, bluffing in the hope all the other clubs fold?
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Post by rcb on Jun 19, 2020 13:47:54 GMT
York might just being being a game of cards, bluffing in the hope all the other clubs fold? My understanding of the rules of promotion is that a second promotion is reserved for the playoff winners. No playoffs then no second promotion. Also, under normal circumstances the playoffs immediately follow the end of a long season, giving the advantage of a rest to second place who can therefore recover and prepare for the final. However, following the several months of lockdown they will now have lost this advantage with the final being their first competitive game, whilst their opponents will have the benefit of two qualifying games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 15:36:32 GMT
York might just being being a game of cards, bluffing in the hope all the other clubs fold? My understanding of the rules of promotion is that a second promotion is reserved for the playoff winners. No playoffs then no second promotion. Also, under normal circumstances the playoffs immediately follow the end of a long season, giving the advantage of a rest to second place who can therefore recover and prepare for the final. However, following the several months of lockdown they will now have lost this advantage with the final being their first competitive game, whilst their opponents will have the benefit of two qualifying games. York won't go straight to the final they will go in to the Semi's along with Brackley
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Post by rcb on Jun 19, 2020 15:56:50 GMT
My understanding of the rules of promotion is that a second promotion is reserved for the playoff winners. No playoffs then no second promotion. Also, under normal circumstances the playoffs immediately follow the end of a long season, giving the advantage of a rest to second place who can therefore recover and prepare for the final. However, following the several months of lockdown they will now have lost this advantage with the final being their first competitive game, whilst their opponents will have the benefit of two qualifying games. York won't go straight to the final they will go in to the Semi's along with Brackley Thanks for the correction. Just read the format and the first round is called the ‘elimination’ round.
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Post by banksy on Jun 19, 2020 19:02:08 GMT
I dont want to advertise the company and give them unnecessary unwanted attention, but we as a global company are using a testing facility that charges £250 per tester per day, each tester is capable doing 50 tests a day and they will come to your workplace to carry out the testing. Given the number of players, staff etc and the fact they need to be tested twice per week.this would amount to £500 a week, a lot less than has been mentioned on here. If someone from the club DMs me i will be more than happy to share the companies details. Hi EWO... Sent you a DM last night... Thanks, Jeff
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 20, 2020 9:00:20 GMT
I really hope the Board are not seriously considering gambling club money on this National League folly. If wealthy sugar daddy owners want to do so that is up to them.
At other levels the play offs will produce a financial reward. At Step six you could easily spend more money than you get back even if you win.
The economic effects of Covid 19 will be severe at all levels of football for years to come. Survival and financial good health should be the priority for a couple of seasons for most clubs. That is highly likely to bring its own rewards.
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Jun 20, 2020 9:45:58 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 20, 2020 9:45:58 GMT
I really hope the Board are not seriously considering gambling club money on this National League folly. If wealthy sugar daddy owners want to do so that is up to them. At other levels the play offs will produce a financial reward. At Step six you could easily spend more money than you get back even if you win. The economic effects of Covid 19 will be severe at all levels of football for years to come. Survival and financial good health should be the priority for a couple of seasons for most clubs. That is highly likely to bring its own rewards. I’m sure the board will be looking very carefully at everything before making a decision. They know the exact financial of the club and whether the play offs and possible promotion are viable. Whatever decision is made the board and the club need the full backing of everyone.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jun 20, 2020 9:50:19 GMT
I really hope the Board are not seriously considering gambling club money on this National League folly. If wealthy sugar daddy owners want to do so that is up to them. At other levels the play offs will produce a financial reward. At Step six you could easily spend more money than you get back even if you win. The economic effects of Covid 19 will be severe at all levels of football for years to come. Survival and financial good health should be the priority for a couple of seasons for most clubs. That is highly likely to bring its own rewards. More reason for us to get promoted to the national League then, by your logic only the sustainable will survive, so let's be amongst it when national League teams start to be integrated into league 2 by default
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Jun 20, 2020 9:57:32 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 20, 2020 9:57:32 GMT
I really hope the Board are not seriously considering gambling club money on this National League folly. If wealthy sugar daddy owners want to do so that is up to them. At other levels the play offs will produce a financial reward. At Step six you could easily spend more money than you get back even if you win. The economic effects of Covid 19 will be severe at all levels of football for years to come. Survival and financial good health should be the priority for a couple of seasons for most clubs. That is highly likely to bring its own rewards. More reason for us to get promoted to the national League then, by your logic only the sustainable will survive, so let's be amongst it when national League teams start to be integrated into league 2 by default I guess the possibility of some sort of L2/NL/NLN part-time regionalisation could alleviate these concerns of spending money now to go “up” in one way but could also prove to mean we’ve wasted it as we’d end up playing in a league we could’ve just been placed into later this year. Difficult one.
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 20, 2020 10:01:37 GMT
I really hope the Board are not seriously considering gambling club money on this National League folly. If wealthy sugar daddy owners want to do so that is up to them. At other levels the play offs will produce a financial reward. At Step six you could easily spend more money than you get back even if you win. The economic effects of Covid 19 will be severe at all levels of football for years to come. Survival and financial good health should be the priority for a couple of seasons for most clubs. That is highly likely to bring its own rewards. More reason for us to get promoted to the national League then, by your logic only the sustainable will survive, so let's be amongst it when national League teams start to be integrated into league 2 by default If we were in the National League and looking at play offs for promotion to the EFL I’m sure a large majority of supporters would be in favour of going for it. Personally I think it’s worth the gamble taking place in the play offs,we’re as good as anyone on our day and we won’t be the only team playing with a reduced budget next year, which will be a great leveller if we do get promotion.
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Jun 20, 2020 10:58:17 GMT
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Post by agl on Jun 20, 2020 10:58:17 GMT
More reason for us to get promoted to the national League then, by your logic only the sustainable will survive, so let's be amongst it when national League teams start to be integrated into league 2 by default If we were in the National League and looking at play offs for promotion to the EFL I’m sure a large majority of supporters would be in favour of going for it. Personally I think it’s worth the gamble taking place in the play offs,we’re as good as anyone on our day and we won’t be the only team playing with a reduced budget next year, which will be a great leveller if we do get promotion. Depends on the cost of the gamble. 10k, yes. But not silly money. And let's scotch this myth that we are 'as good as anyone on our day'. The results this season suggest otherwise when it comes to top 7 teams. Our record is won one, drawn four, lost four. Add to that we have to win three away games over a very short oeriod and we have lost our main goal threat then it really is a big gamble. I could go on about the form guide and our last game. Under normal circumstances I'd be saying let's go for it, but we need to take a long term view about this and be realistic. I trust the board to make the right call.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 20, 2020 11:15:51 GMT
If we were in the National League and looking at play offs for promotion to the EFL I’m sure a large majority of supporters would be in favour of going for it. Personally I think it’s worth the gamble taking place in the play offs,we’re as good as anyone on our day and we won’t be the only team playing with a reduced budget next year, which will be a great leveller if we do get promotion. Depends on the cost of the gamble. 10k, yes. But not silly money. And let's scotch this myth that we are 'as good as anyone on our day'. The results this season suggest otherwise when it comes to top 7 teams. Our record is won one, drawn four, lost four. Add to that we have to win three away games over a very short oeriod and we have lost our main goal threat then it really is a big gamble. I could go on about the form guide and our last game. Under normal circumstances I'd be saying let's go for it, but we need to take a long term view about this and be realistic. I trust the board to make the right call. Promotion to the EFL would be worth the gamble as lincolnexile says. Like Halifax have done a specific fund raiser to cover the costs would get decent support. I think AGL makes a number of very valid points. Used to work for a bookmakers back in the day. We would have a one in six chance of getting promoted so gambling anymore than 7.5k to win 45k does not represent VFM given our record against some of the teams involved. As well as the test costs etc it will cost us one months wages as players and other staff will have to be taken off furlough and given the SM effect that has to be at least 40k if not more.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 20, 2020 11:23:02 GMT
I really hope the Board are not seriously considering gambling club money on this National League folly. If wealthy sugar daddy owners want to do so that is up to them. At other levels the play offs will produce a financial reward. At Step six you could easily spend more money than you get back even if you win. The economic effects of Covid 19 will be severe at all levels of football for years to come. Survival and financial good health should be the priority for a couple of seasons for most clubs. That is highly likely to bring its own rewards. More reason for us to get promoted to the national League then, by your logic only the sustainable will survive, so let's be amongst it when national League teams start to be integrated into league 2 by default Clubs will be going bust over a period of years not straight away. The furlough scheme will save many for the time being and large numbers will just try to buy time as any business in trouble would do. I fear many will start to use HMRC as an overdraft facility as they used to do before HMRC got tougher. So whilst I understand the point you are making we need to make sure we are in a good position in a few years time to benefit from the sad outcome of clubs going under or the merger of Leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 18:48:48 GMT
Gateshead have taken their place in the Play offs
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Post by MMc on Jun 20, 2020 20:10:44 GMT
York, Boston, Altrincham & Gateshead have all confirmed they are participating, so the playoffs will go ahead if allowed by government. Chester & Brackley still to confirm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 20:40:41 GMT
If we were in the National League and looking at play offs for promotion to the EFL I’m sure a large majority of supporters would be in favour of going for it. Personally I think it’s worth the gamble taking place in the play offs,we’re as good as anyone on our day and we won’t be the only team playing with a reduced budget next year, which will be a great leveller if we do get promotion. Depends on the cost of the gamble. 10k, yes. But not silly money. And let's scotch this myth that we are 'as good as anyone on our day'. The results this season suggest otherwise when it comes to top 7 teams. Our record is won one, drawn four, lost four. Add to that we have to win three away games over a very short oeriod and we have lost our main goal threat then it really is a big gamble. I could go on about the form guide and our last game. Under normal circumstances I'd be saying let's go for it, but we need to take a long term view about this and be realistic. I trust the board to make the right call. Beating teams in the top seven isn’t a prerequisite for finishing in the playoffs, having a good season and earning the right to be in there is the reason you finish in the playoffs. Although I understand your point re struggling against the top seven you can hardly call it ‘form’, when by the time we play it would have been the best part four months since anyone has played. Like comparing the August to December form book.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 20, 2020 21:04:07 GMT
York, Boston, Altrincham & Gateshead have all confirmed they are participating, so the playoffs will go ahead if allowed by government. Chester & Brackley still to confirm. Understand 4 teams from NLS also have to agree otherwise they don’t take place at this level
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 20, 2020 22:25:23 GMT
York, Boston, Altrincham & Gateshead have all confirmed they are participating, so the playoffs will go ahead if allowed by government. Chester & Brackley still to confirm. Quote from Boston Chairman David Newton 'Clearly the club’s finances have been decimated by the pandemic, so we would look for as much help as possible from fans and sponsors should play-offs go ahead behind-closed-doors, where clearly we will have all the costs of training; staging games, un-furloughing players and Covid-19 measures, but with no gate income from the games' Weymouth have a fund raising campaign to raise the estimated 50k costs of playing in the play offs. www.gofundme.com/f/weymouth-football-club-playoff-push?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1Weymouth are already in the semi final thanks to a third place finish so their costs will relate to two games not three.
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Post by Forever Blue on Jun 21, 2020 0:22:47 GMT
Any news on this yet and this ridiculous sum of 50k and how they justify it ?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 21, 2020 6:04:18 GMT
Any news on this yet and this ridiculous sum of 50k and how they justify it ? It isn’t an arbitrary charge by the league, it’s just an estimation people have made based on normal cost to clubs in terms of player wages, usual operating expenses, plus additional Covid-related costs. As for the clubs who have confirmed their places - York are clearly loaded given their professional status and the players they’ve got on the books, Alty must still have money from the Cup run as their players were offered bonuses and a trip to Las Vegas if they went up this season so presumably they can divert those funds to this instead, Gateshead have had notable financial concerns in recent years which is why they’re now in this league but they can usually attract decent players for this level so must have a good wage budget, and Boston’s chairman is getting the begging bowl out to supporters and sponsors. In the league above Halifax are doing the same as Boston whilst the Boreham Wood owner has remortgaged his house to raise necessary finances. Question - how would anyone feel if we started another fundraiser alongside the current more long-term Boost The Budget to support the playoffs/promotion chance gamble (where an even bigger budget would be required to compete if we went up)?
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Post by cfcforme on Jun 21, 2020 7:03:41 GMT
Any news on this yet and this ridiculous sum of 50k and how they justify it ? Question - how would anyone feel if we started another fundraiser alongside the current more long-term Boost The Budget to support the playoffs/promotion chance gamble (where an even bigger budget would be required to compete if we went up)? I was thinking about this. The Boost The Budget scheme is clearly promoted as being for next season's budget, do couldn't ethically be diverted to fund play offs without permission of all donators IMV. BUT, no one had announced what next season's budget is before Boost The Budget so in theory the board could use part of next season's budget to find the play offs and then back fill with the BTB funds, leaving it in exactly the same place it would have been anyway. So in my view there are three ways to fund the play offs, 1) another fundraiser separate from BTB, 2) from club funds which as above, you'd have to assume would reduce next season's budget, or c) find another way to fund it such as new sponsors on back of shirts, socks, shorts (only really attractive if playoffs televised), sugar daddies (!) Etc I fear only option 1 is realistic but would be tough given people have only recently donated to BTB.
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Post by superman on Jun 21, 2020 7:38:45 GMT
IfF we decide to compete in playoffs but Brackley opt not to, how does this change the fixtures. Would we play Gateshead at home in the preliminary?
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