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Post by delamereal on Jun 21, 2020 8:02:41 GMT
I think the club who finished in 8th position would take their place.
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Post by gezzer on Jun 21, 2020 8:53:55 GMT
I would be surprised and extremely disappointed if the club does not take part in the play offs, not only for the integrity of the competition but also our standing in the football community. Whilst I understand that there has been no income from home games over the last few months, there has also been a lot less out goings than a normal close season with the JRS paying for the vast majority of staff and players as well as the club claiming LA business grants (25k from Flintshire Council) and agreeing payment holidays with other companies. From what I can see the only extra cost to a "normal" play off season is the Covid-19 test cost which is offset by no longer having the highest paid player on our books. We don't need to bring the whole squad off furlough and, indeed, we can put them back on once we have completed the playoffs at whichever round that may be.
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Jun 21, 2020 9:38:22 GMT
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Post by bluejay on Jun 21, 2020 9:38:22 GMT
I would be surprised and extremely disappointed if the club does not take part in the play offs, not only for the integrity of the competition but also our standing in the football community. Whilst I understand that there has been no income from home games over the last few months, there has also been a lot less out goings than a normal close season with the JRS paying for the vast majority of staff and players as well as the club claiming LA business grants (25k from Flintshire Council) and agreeing payment holidays with other companies. From what I can see the only extra cost to a "normal" play off season is the Covid-19 test cost which is offset by no longer having the highest paid player on our books. We don't need to bring the whole squad off furlough and, indeed, we can put them back on once we have completed the playoffs at whichever round that may be. Fully agree with this. What's the point in going for promotion next season if we don't think it's worth it this? If our player costs without Asante are 250k, then it's going to cost around £20k to pay players for a month plus testing costs which might not be as high as first thought. We would have easily expected 2000 for a play-off game, so if half of them are willing to donate the price of a match ticket we will be pretty much there. Maybe the club could offer a 'play-off' ticket for £20 with a signed squad picture or something else with minimal cost. Just don't want to see us walk away after all the effort that has gone into the season so far.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jun 21, 2020 9:45:20 GMT
I would be surprised and extremely disappointed if the club does not take part in the play offs, not only for the integrity of the competition but also our standing in the football community. Whilst I understand that there has been no income from home games over the last few months, there has also been a lot less out goings than a normal close season with the JRS paying for the vast majority of staff and players as well as the club claiming LA business grants (25k from Flintshire Council) and agreeing payment holidays with other companies. From what I can see the only extra cost to a "normal" play off season is the Covid-19 test cost which is offset by no longer having the highest paid player on our books. We don't need to bring the whole squad off furlough and, indeed, we can put them back on once we have completed the playoffs at whichever round that may be. Fully agree with this. What's the point in going for promotion next season if we don't think it's worth it this? If our player costs without Asante are 250k, then it's going to cost around £20k to pay players for a month plus testing costs which might not be as high as first thought. We would have easily expected 2000 for a play-off game, so if half of them are willing to donate the price of a match ticket we will be pretty much there. Maybe the club could offer a 'play-off' ticket for £20 with a signed squad picture or something else with minimal cost. Just don't want to see us walk away after all the effort that has gone into the season so far. This. I’d be more than willing to pay however much it costs to get in to a match. I’d imagine at least 1,000 others would if it means a chance of getting out of this awful league.
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Jun 21, 2020 9:51:10 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jun 21, 2020 9:51:10 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it
Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up
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Jun 21, 2020 9:59:24 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 21, 2020 9:59:24 GMT
I would be surprised and extremely disappointed if the club does not take part in the play offs, not only for the integrity of the competition but also our standing in the football community. Whilst I understand that there has been no income from home games over the last few months, there has also been a lot less out goings than a normal close season with the JRS paying for the vast majority of staff and players as well as the club claiming LA business grants (25k from Flintshire Council) and agreeing payment holidays with other companies. From what I can see the only extra cost to a "normal" play off season is the Covid-19 test cost which is offset by no longer having the highest paid player on our books. We don't need to bring the whole squad off furlough and, indeed, we can put them back on once we have completed the playoffs at whichever round that may be. Fully agree with this. What's the point in going for promotion next season if we don't think it's worth it this? If our player costs without Asante are 250k, then it's going to cost around £20k to pay players for a month plus testing costs which might not be as high as first thought. We would have easily expected 2000 for a play-off game, so if half of them are willing to donate the price of a match ticket we will be pretty much there. Maybe the club could offer a 'play-off' ticket for £20 with a signed squad picture or something else with minimal cost. Just don't want to see us walk away after all the effort that has gone into the season so far. That’s actually a really good shout to cover costs - you’ll still get the usual idiots moaning about the club having the BRASS NECK to ask its fans for support like they always do, but most people would accept this needs to happen, I’d think.
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Jun 21, 2020 9:59:54 GMT
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Post by devafeva on Jun 21, 2020 9:59:54 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up 50 euros from me for a play off fund if I can watch it on a live stream
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 21, 2020 10:00:08 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up That’s why we as supporters and owners of the club are investing mate. Build The Budget going very well so far x
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Jun 21, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
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Post by Old Seal on Jun 21, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up 50 euros from me for a play off fund if I can watch it on a live stream
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Jun 21, 2020 10:16:05 GMT
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Post by Old Seal on Jun 21, 2020 10:16:05 GMT
I suggested a few days ago that we should pay an "entrance" fee for every game. I mean we'd all be paying on the gate if it was normal playoff wouldn't we.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:26:18 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jun 21, 2020 10:26:18 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up That’s why we as supporters and owners of the club are investing mate. Build The Budget going very well so far x I get that totally however it doesn’t exactly look very ambitious throwing away a chance of getting promoted. It’s a risk you’ve got to take I’m afraid without taking risks we’re going to be in this league for along time
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Jun 21, 2020 10:26:25 GMT
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Post by exiled on Jun 21, 2020 10:26:25 GMT
I suggested a few days ago that we should pay an "entrance" fee for every game. I mean we'd all be paying on the gate if it was normal playoff wouldn't we. Although I think the playoffs are a big gamble for us. I also respect the decision of the board if they decide to go ahead with it, and will get behind the team. If that means having to dip into my pocket for a tenner or so to help fund each game I would be happy to do so.
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Post by devablue on Jun 21, 2020 10:26:54 GMT
I suggested a few days ago that we should pay an "entrance" fee for every game. I mean we'd all be paying on the gate if it was normal playoff wouldn't we. Yeah I'd be quite happy to pay the entrance fee for each play-off match I would have otherwise attended
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 21, 2020 10:38:23 GMT
I suggested a few days ago that we should pay an "entrance" fee for every game. I mean we'd all be paying on the gate if it was normal playoff wouldn't we. Yeah I'd be quite happy to pay the entrance fee for each play-off match I would have otherwise attended Count me in
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Jun 21, 2020 10:41:27 GMT
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Post by agl on Jun 21, 2020 10:41:27 GMT
The concern about fans funding what could be one game is that it diverts money away from safeguarding the future of the club. Having said that I would stick in an extra tenner if there was a separate fund! However, I still think the way to approach this is external funding...great PR for a company or individual to save our season. Anyone got Michael Owen's number. We still haven't been told officially how much it will cost. If it does go ahead I assume players would have to be contracted for another month, not just per game. The whole thing is a mess and I can't believe it's been allowed to drag on like this.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:50:58 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jun 21, 2020 10:50:58 GMT
The concern about fans funding what could be one game is that it diverts money away from safeguarding the future of the club. Having said that I would stick in an extra tenner if there was a separate fund! However, I still think the way to approach this is external funding...great PR for a company or individual to save our season. Anyone got Michael Owen's number. We still haven't been told officially how much it will cost. If it does go ahead I assume players would have to be contracted for another month, not just per game. The whole thing is a mess and I can't believe it's been allowed to drag on like this. Micheal Owen couldn’t give a toss about the club only has something to say when it suits him. Can’t stand him
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Post by bryndjones on Jun 21, 2020 10:55:30 GMT
I don’t post much on here, but this dilemma is a really interesting one.
From my point of view, I agree that if the club had to dip into funds to finance the play offs, it’s a definite no from me. We do need to future proof the club in the current circumstances.
However, I’m also aware that to pull out of the play offs would be damaging to the club’s reputation and perception locally and beyond. I’m sure casual fans would be put off supporting us, if the impression is given that the club are willing to shun an opportunity to be promoted. Likewise, having had the ‘You let your club die’ nonsense rammed down our throats for 10 years; here would be another stick for non fans to beat us with and another example to point to why we’re ‘perceived’ as not being a footballing city.
I also think the club has a responsibility to uphold the integrity of the league by participating. We always complain about the way non league is shunned at the expense of the higher levels of football and here we are (eventually) being treated the same as all levels up to League 1. We need to deliver in the same way as all other leagues, by playing out the season in the way the National League has determined that it should be.
The players deserve the opportunity too. They got us there and must be busting a gut wanting to play. Additionally, I’m sure any players we may be courting in the future to sign for us would also be influenced by how ambitious the club was. I’m not sure shunning the play offs would give a good impression on that score either.
I’ve already dipped my hand in my pocket to beat the budget, but I feel strongly that we have a responsibility to do so again, be it via virtual match tickets, or a straight donation up front. It’s a gamble, but one I’d be more prepared to shoulder the responsibility of paying along with other like minded fans, rather than expect the club to. This would be money the club would never have got as far as I’m concerned and if there’s enough of us, then why not? Are there enough of us is the question, because there will be fatigue out there among some, who feel we’ve been asked to fund enough of late and I do get that.
If we managed it though, the club would be as safe as it was, we’d be slightly out of pocket as individual fans, but safe in the knowledge that even if it ended in glorious failure, we had a go and the club didn’t suffer financially, nor had its reputation affected as a result. Alternatively if we go all the way, what an amazing feeling that would be that nobody could ever take away from us, regardless of any potential restructuring of the pyramid in the future.
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Post by agl on Jun 21, 2020 10:55:50 GMT
The concern about fans funding what could be one game is that it diverts money away from safeguarding the future of the club. Having said that I would stick in an extra tenner if there was a separate fund! However, I still think the way to approach this is external funding...great PR for a company or individual to save our season. Anyone got Michael Owen's number. We still haven't been told officially how much it will cost. If it does go ahead I assume players would have to be contracted for another month, not just per game. The whole thing is a mess and I can't believe it's been allowed to drag on like this. Micheal Owen couldn’t give a toss about the club only has something to say when it suits him. Can’t stand him Ah, OK. Anyone else, or any companies, you can't stand then we can rule them out too? That would be the Michael Owen who played in the legends game to raise money for the club would it?
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Jun 21, 2020 10:56:14 GMT
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Post by exiled on Jun 21, 2020 10:56:14 GMT
The concern about fans funding what could be one game is that it diverts money away from safeguarding the future of the club. Having said that I would stick in an extra tenner if there was a separate fund! However, I still think the way to approach this is external funding...great PR for a company or individual to save our season. Anyone got Michael Owen's number. We still haven't been told officially how much it will cost. If it does go ahead I assume players would have to be contracted for another month, not just per game. The whole thing is a mess and I can't believe it's been allowed to drag on like this. I agree the National league have passed the buck and put the club's in a difficult position. It also puts the fans in an awkward situation. Do we deny our players the chance of the playoff that they have worked toward all season. I wouldn't want to be the one that has to make the final decision.
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Post by Jack on Jun 21, 2020 10:59:43 GMT
For all the good ideas, we need a realistic and definitive quote for exactly what it will cost before we can make any plans. We've seen figures ranging from 5k to 50k and it makes a huge impact on whether it's worthwhile or not. I saw a poster mention on another thread that his company had used testers at a really affordable price - if opportunities like that are genuine then we'd be mad not to explore it.
If they are to go ahead, I'd definitely say that streaming the game would be a potential money spinner. You could easily charge £15 for access and it would sell well. No idea if that would be allowed or if it infringes TV rights?
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Jun 21, 2020 11:16:58 GMT
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Post by exiled on Jun 21, 2020 11:16:58 GMT
For all the good ideas, we need a realistic and definitive quote for exactly what it will cost before we can make any plans. We've seen figures ranging from 5k to 50k and it makes a huge impact on whether it's worthwhile or not. I saw a poster mention on another thread that his company had used testers at a really affordable price - if opportunities like that are genuine then we'd be mad not to explore it. If they are to go ahead, I'd definitely say that streaming the game would be a potential money spinner. You could easily charge £15 for access and it would sell well. No idea if that would be allowed or if it infringes TV rights? Steaming would be a great idea. But BT still own the rights to live televised National league games. And also it's an away game
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Jun 21, 2020 11:19:58 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 21, 2020 11:19:58 GMT
For all the good ideas, we need a realistic and definitive quote for exactly what it will cost before we can make any plans. We've seen figures ranging from 5k to 50k and it makes a huge impact on whether it's worthwhile or not. I saw a poster mention on another thread that his company had used testers at a really affordable price - if opportunities like that are genuine then we'd be mad not to explore it. If they are to go ahead, I'd definitely say that streaming the game would be a potential money spinner. You could easily charge £15 for access and it would sell well. No idea if that would be allowed or if it infringes TV rights? Steaming would be a great idea. But BT still own the rights to live televised National league games. And also it's an away game BT have never televised a NLN or NLS game though.
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Post by bluejay on Jun 21, 2020 11:25:02 GMT
Are there enough of us is the question, because there will be fatigue out there among some, who feel we’ve been asked to fund enough of late and I do get that. If we managed it though, the club would be as safe as it was, we’d be slightly out of pocket as individual fans, but safe in the knowledge that even if it ended in glorious failure, we had a go and the club didn’t suffer financially, nor had its reputation affected as a result. Alternatively if we go all the way, what an amazing feeling that would be that nobody could ever take away from us, regardless of any potential restructuring of the pyramid in the future. I don't think fatigue will be a factor - playing in a play-off game is the most exciting prospect we've had in 5 years!! Great experience for the fans, players, management. I'll pay my share for that to happen!! 😀
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Jun 21, 2020 11:25:30 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jun 21, 2020 11:25:30 GMT
Micheal Owen couldn’t give a toss about the club only has something to say when it suits him. Can’t stand him Ah, OK. Anyone else, or any companies, you can't stand then we can rule them out too? That would be the Michael Owen who played in the legends game to raise money for the club would it? The same guy that didn’t donate a single penny to us either when we was in a desperate state ? Funny that ain’t it? Sick of people constantly bringing him up soon as we’re struggling for cash again 😴
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Jun 21, 2020 11:27:27 GMT
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Post by exiled on Jun 21, 2020 11:27:27 GMT
Steaming would be a great idea. But BT still own the rights to live televised National league games. And also it's an away game BT have never televised a NLN or NLS game though. No you're right! Just goal highlights, so could be an avenue worth exploring.
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Post by Blockhead on Jun 21, 2020 11:32:37 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up You'd have half a point if we hadn't already done it.
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Post by Old Seal on Jun 21, 2020 11:43:36 GMT
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Jun 21, 2020 11:44:21 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jun 21, 2020 11:44:21 GMT
Whilst it’s a lot of money to potentially lose it doesn’t show much ambition from the board if they don’t go for it Just shows that without investment we can’t afford to go up You'd have half a point if we hadn't already done it. We couldn’t afford to be in the conference though could we ? Every season apart from one lucky one was a relegation or relegation battle...
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Post by Churton Blue on Jun 21, 2020 12:01:17 GMT
I don’t post much on here, but this dilemma is a really interesting one. From my point of view, I agree that if the club had to dip into funds to finance the play offs, it’s a definite no from me. We do need to future proof the club in the current circumstances. However, I’m also aware that to pull out of the play offs would be damaging to the club’s reputation and perception locally and beyond. I’m sure casual fans would be put off supporting us, if the impression is given that the club are willing to shun an opportunity to be promoted. Likewise, having had the ‘You let your club die’ nonsense rammed down our throats for 10 years; here would be another stick for non fans to beat us with and another example to point to why we’re ‘perceived’ as not being a footballing city. I also think the club has a responsibility to uphold the integrity of the league by participating. We always complain about the way non league is shunned at the expense of the higher levels of football and here we are (eventually) being treated the same as all levels up to League 1. We need to deliver in the same way as all other leagues, by playing out the season in the way the National League has determined that it should be. The players deserve the opportunity too. They got us there and must be busting a gut wanting to play. Additionally, I’m sure any players we may be courting in the future to sign for us would also be influenced by how ambitious the club was. I’m not sure shunning the play offs would give a good impression on that score either. I’ve already dipped my hand in my pocket to beat the budget, but I feel strongly that we have a responsibility to do so again, be it via virtual match tickets, or a straight donation up front. It’s a gamble, but one I’d be more prepared to shoulder the responsibility of paying along with other like minded fans, rather than expect the club to. This would be money the club would never have got as far as I’m concerned and if there’s enough of us, then why not? Are there enough of us is the question, because there will be fatigue out there among some, who feel we’ve been asked to fund enough of late and I do get that. If we managed it though, the club would be as safe as it was, we’d be slightly out of pocket as individual fans, but safe in the knowledge that even if it ended in glorious failure, we had a go and the club didn’t suffer financially, nor had its reputation affected as a result. Alternatively if we go all the way, what an amazing feeling that would be that nobody could ever take away from us, regardless of any potential restructuring of the pyramid in the future. I do understand a lot of the points made. However there has not been a club statement about the current financial health of the club since Mr Murphy departed the scene. Our cost base and player wage bill will much higher than those willing to gamble money on the play offs think as they will have been built up including his money. We appear to have lost all our major sponsors bar MBNA, a club update would be helpful ? We have no idea when next season will start, what capacity will be allowed when we do and how many home games we will have. As you say risking club funds in this situation would be a very bad idea and a no from me as well. The cost will be at least 50k and could be nearer 75k if we win the first two matches. If the club could raise that through extra crowd funding and sponsorship I would be very surprised given that many will have given significant amounts to the Boost The Budget Campaign already and the apparent lack of sponsors for next season. What concerns me greatly is we agree to take part and fail to raise the extra money meaning that existing club funds will be used to plug the gap giving us another major problem for next season. I also fear we risk undermining the Boost The Budget campaign which has been a great success so far. That would be a tragedy imo.
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Post by dannyjdholland on Jun 21, 2020 12:08:03 GMT
Any chance we could ask Liverpool to fund it maybe? How much do they pay us for the women’s games? How about offering the stadium for all the Liverpool women’s games next season in exchange for them funding or part funding the play offs?
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