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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 10, 2020 11:41:28 GMT
Isn't the idea of fundraising a year on year thing via our Direct Debits, just like Squdbuilder and the CFU Direct Debit. This ^^^ The owners get together and fund the club. We'd expect a single owner to do precisely that. Why don't people expect a co-operative to do the same? I think it's a culture thing.
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Post by livinginhope on Jul 10, 2020 12:01:06 GMT
Magnificent effort on both fronts - but I am still concerned about where we'll be in a year's time. Best case scenario - the £15k+ gets us promoted this season. Then, the £100k+ keeps us competitive in the National League next season. What then? Do we then have to go back to our fans to raise another £100k that season... then the next? I said it earlier that any fundraisers like this should come with a caveat that 20% of money raised goes to improving the infrastructure at the club. Based on the current fundraisers, we'd have over £20k to go towards improving the bar, hospitality areas, fan experience etc - anything to a) attract new fans, or b) attract new commercial ventures. As brilliant as it is that we, as a fan-owned club, can ask our fans to dip their hands into their pockets, we can't be relying solely on that every time the club is in trouble. It's just not sustainable.Sorry to put a dampener on things. These two fundraisers have been superb and show what a special club we are.
We can rely solely on that - that's the whole point of being a fan owned club. We don't have an individual owner or a company owning us that can plough a load of money in, we are the owners! So any funding must come from us, either directly through initiatives like the Build The Budget or indirectly through the fans we elect onto the board getting sponsorship etc.
If we can't rely on the fans, where exactly are you expecting the money to come from instead?
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Post by bing on Jul 10, 2020 13:23:05 GMT
Magnificent effort on both fronts - but I am still concerned about where we'll be in a year's time. Best case scenario - the £15k+ gets us promoted this season. Then, the £100k+ keeps us competitive in the National League next season. What then? Do we then have to go back to our fans to raise another £100k that season... then the next? I said it earlier that any fundraisers like this should come with a caveat that 20% of money raised goes to improving the infrastructure at the club. Based on the current fundraisers, we'd have over £20k to go towards improving the bar, hospitality areas, fan experience etc - anything to a) attract new fans, or b) attract new commercial ventures. As brilliant as it is that we, as a fan-owned club, can ask our fans to dip their hands into their pockets, we can't be relying solely on that every time the club is in trouble. It's just not sustainable.Sorry to put a dampener on things. These two fundraisers have been superb and show what a special club we are.
We can rely solely on that - that's the whole point of being a fan owned club. We don't have an individual owner or a company owning us that can plough a load of money in, we are the owners! So any funding must come from us, either directly through initiatives like the Build The Budget or indirectly through the fans we elect onto the board getting sponsorship etc.
If we can't rely on the fans, where exactly are you expecting the money to come from instead?
So you think that every season from now we ask fans to plough in 100k to make us as competitive as the season before? What happens when the same fans realise they can't afford it anymore? Fan owned means we have our destiny in our own hands. You are right - part of this means we can run initiatives to boost the budget - but surely a longer-term view is to make the stadium more enticing for rainy-day fans and, more importantly, commercial ventures to be attracted into the stadium. Surely you can see the benefit in increasing revenue through other streams, not asking the same people to dig deeper into their pockets?!
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Post by Old Seal on Jul 10, 2020 13:42:14 GMT
My answer to that is yes, I think we should be paying to own "Our" club. If only we could get 1,000 of our fans paying a direct debit of £5 a month then that would be £60,000 extra income a year. I know lots of fans pay a lot more than £5. Its up to the individual. We can't survive on the gates we get, and we don't have a sugar daddy. So it's up to us to pay if we want a football club. I agree there should be other incomes from elsewhere, but most of the time if you're not a winning club then no one is interested except for the hard core fans and advertisers.
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Post by bing on Jul 10, 2020 14:04:28 GMT
My answer to that is yes, I think we should be paying to own "Our" club. If only we could get 1,000 of our fans paying a direct debit of £5 a month then that would be £60,000 extra income a year. I know lots of fans pay a lot more than £5. Its up to the individual. We can't survive on the gates we get, and we don't have a sugar daddy. So it's up to us to pay if we want a football club. I agree there should be other incomes from elsewhere, but most of the time if you're not a winning club then no one is interested except for the hard core fans and advertisers. That sounds a great initiative if we could do it. Chester fans have proven time and time again that we are capable of raising money - my issue is that we should be looking to raise money for the club and not just the team.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 10, 2020 15:42:15 GMT
My answer to that is yes, I think we should be paying to own "Our" club. If only we could get 1,000 of our fans paying a direct debit of £5 a month then that would be £60,000 extra income a year. I know lots of fans pay a lot more than £5. Its up to the individual. We can't survive on the gates we get, and we don't have a sugar daddy. So it's up to us to pay if we want a football club. I agree there should be other incomes from elsewhere, but most of the time if you're not a winning club then no one is interested except for the hard core fans and advertisers. That sounds a great initiative if we could do it. Chester fans have proven time and time again that we are capable of raising money - my issue is that we should be looking to raise money for the club and not just the team. You're right. However, people are more likely to fund the team, than the club. They can see where the money goes. If the supporters raise £100k to help fund the team, this should help the Board retain some of the pay on the gate money to improve the club. Problem is, that most of the improvements would cost serious money. Whether we'd get value for money to bring in more income in the future is something I can't answer. Expanding the bar would probably cost tens of thousands. How long would that take to recoup? Wouldn't make a good business case. Improving the car park. Zero financial return. Some sort of fan zone, similar to Tranmere, might be worthwhile. Large tented area. Good food and drink options. Wouldn't cost too much to set up, just need a few vendors, and a few games to build it up. Improving the food options inside the ground would probably need a kitchen/cooking area between the Harry Mac and Main Stand. Might be feasible. Edit - I've just seen the dc2cfc post in a separate thread.
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Post by bing on Jul 10, 2020 15:57:06 GMT
That sounds a great initiative if we could do it. Chester fans have proven time and time again that we are capable of raising money - my issue is that we should be looking to raise money for the club and not just the team. You're right. However, people are more likely to fund the team, than the club. They can see where the money goes. If the supporters raise £100k to help fund the team, this should help the Board retain some of the pay on the gate money to improve the club. Problem is, that most of the improvements would cost serious money. Whether we'd get value for money to bring in more income in the future is something I can't answer. Expanding the bar would probably cost tens of thousands. How long would that take to recoup? Wouldn't make a good business case. Improving the car park. Zero financial return. Some sort of fan zone, similar to Tranmere, might be worthwhile. Large tented area. Good food and drink options. Wouldn't cost too much to set up, just need a few vendors, and a few games to build it up. Improving the food options inside the ground would probably need a kitchen/cooking area between the Harry Mac and Main Stand. Might be feasible. Edit - I've just seen the dc2cfc post in a separate thread. It would be interesting to see if anyone has costed out improving the Blues Bar / Legends Lounge - how much it would cost and could potentially yield. It would be great to see the club utilise the stadium more than 20 odd days a year from a commercial standpoint, but I also wonder how long it would be before we've made back our money. Things like the fan zone would really improve the atmosphere around the ground and helpfully put a few more on the gate - get a bit of live music, create a buzz, give people a reason to get down there an hour early.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 10, 2020 18:54:33 GMT
You're right. However, people are more likely to fund the team, than the club. They can see where the money goes. If the supporters raise £100k to help fund the team, this should help the Board retain some of the pay on the gate money to improve the club. Problem is, that most of the improvements would cost serious money. Whether we'd get value for money to bring in more income in the future is something I can't answer. Expanding the bar would probably cost tens of thousands. How long would that take to recoup? Wouldn't make a good business case. Improving the car park. Zero financial return. Some sort of fan zone, similar to Tranmere, might be worthwhile. Large tented area. Good food and drink options. Wouldn't cost too much to set up, just need a few vendors, and a few games to build it up. Improving the food options inside the ground would probably need a kitchen/cooking area between the Harry Mac and Main Stand. Might be feasible. Edit - I've just seen the dc2cfc post in a separate thread. It would be interesting to see if anyone has costed out improving the Blues Bar / Legends Lounge - how much it would cost and could potentially yield. It would be great to see the club utilise the stadium more than 20 odd days a year from a commercial standpoint, but I also wonder how long it would be before we've made back our money. Things like the fan zone would really improve the atmosphere around the ground and helpfully put a few more on the gate - get a bit of live music, create a buzz, give people a reason to get down there an hour early. I seem to recall a figure of £100k+ to extend the Blues Bar being mentioned at a CFU meeting a while back. It gave a sense of realism regarding the sort of money we are talking about. It was a similar amount to create a viewing platform at the back of the stand for our disabled fans. Bear in mind also that we don't own the property (ground) just have a long loan on it.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jul 11, 2020 10:09:06 GMT
You're right. However, people are more likely to fund the team, than the club. They can see where the money goes. If the supporters raise £100k to help fund the team, this should help the Board retain some of the pay on the gate money to improve the club. Problem is, that most of the improvements would cost serious money. Whether we'd get value for money to bring in more income in the future is something I can't answer. Expanding the bar would probably cost tens of thousands. How long would that take to recoup? Wouldn't make a good business case. Improving the car park. Zero financial return. Some sort of fan zone, similar to Tranmere, might be worthwhile. Large tented area. Good food and drink options. Wouldn't cost too much to set up, just need a few vendors, and a few games to build it up. Improving the food options inside the ground would probably need a kitchen/cooking area between the Harry Mac and Main Stand. Might be feasible. Edit - I've just seen the dc2cfc post in a separate thread. It would be interesting to see if anyone has costed out improving the Blues Bar / Legends Lounge - how much it would cost and could potentially yield. It would be great to see the club utilise the stadium more than 20 odd days a year from a commercial standpoint, but I also wonder how long it would be before we've made back our money. Things like the fan zone would really improve the atmosphere around the ground and helpfully put a few more on the gate - get a bit of live music, create a buzz, give people a reason to get down there an hour early. Ive said it before but there is a requirement on the estate, which is growing all the time, for a cafe. Nothing flash, just a greasy spoon type place offering butties, coffees and teas. Put Sky Sports News on and open the doors. The more people use the ground the stronger their affinity with it. I understand the kitchen would need updating, and the BB as it is needs a lick of paint and a bit of TLC but this is a chance to fill a requirement for the area and get more use out of the ground. Be nice to see that costed up?
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 11, 2020 13:47:57 GMT
It would be interesting to see if anyone has costed out improving the Blues Bar / Legends Lounge - how much it would cost and could potentially yield. It would be great to see the club utilise the stadium more than 20 odd days a year from a commercial standpoint, but I also wonder how long it would be before we've made back our money. Things like the fan zone would really improve the atmosphere around the ground and helpfully put a few more on the gate - get a bit of live music, create a buzz, give people a reason to get down there an hour early. Ive said it before but there is a requirement on the estate, which is growing all the time, for a cafe. Nothing flash, just a greasy spoon type place offering butties, coffees and teas. Put Sky Sports News on and open the doors. The more people use the ground the stronger their affinity with it. I understand the kitchen would need updating, and the BB as it is needs a lick of paint and a bit of TLC but this is a chance to fill a requirement for the area and get more use out of the ground. Be nice to see that costed up? Good opportunity to give the bar a lick of paint and a bit of TEC, as we've no football for a while.
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Post by lincolnexile on Jul 12, 2020 21:17:03 GMT
Another £1000 added today now closing in on £17k. Be good to hit £20k before the Alty game.
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Post by jimgreen on Jul 15, 2020 19:45:39 GMT
We have launched an #InItTogether prize draw today with some great prizes. Entry is by way of a £10 pledge and prizes are: Part of the Squad - You will line up alongside the players in the 2020/21 team photo in the kit and have your name and shirt number printed as part of the squad on the back of the matchday programme Director for a Day - You and a friend will enjoy pre-match and half-time hospitality in the Board Room and watch the game from the director's seats in the Gary Talbot Stand Signed Chester FC home shirt - A new Kappa home shirt signed by the 2020/21 squad Signed Chester FC away shirt - A new Kappa away shirt signed by the 2020/21 squad Framed retro Chester City FC 1989/90 home shirt Football signed by the 2020/21 Chester FC squad Thanks for your incredible support. We are almost at £17,500 which is unreal and we fully recognise the climate in which these campaigns are running. You are all amazing. www.crowdfunder.co.uk/chester-fc-in-it-together/updates/129117#start
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 18, 2020 12:49:42 GMT
The E-programme has landed in the inbox. Bit disappointed not to see my name on the page of donators given it was part of the £5 pie and pint pledge (“everyone who pledges will have their name printed...”) whilst some people are duplicated or even triplicated, but other than that it’s a great read.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 18, 2020 12:55:58 GMT
The E-programme has landed in the inbox. Bit disappointed not to see my name on the page of donators given it was part of the £5 pie and pint pledge (“everyone who pledges will have their name printed...”) whilst some people are duplicated or even triplicated, but other than that it’s a great read. I do like the Picture of Gary Talbot above the Gary Talbot Stand and as you say its a great read. My name is in the list which is nice to see
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jul 18, 2020 13:41:08 GMT
The E-programme has landed in the inbox. Bit disappointed not to see my name on the page of donators given it was part of the £5 pie and pint pledge (“everyone who pledges will have their name printed...”) whilst some people are duplicated or even triplicated, but other than that it’s a great read. Clearly a tory proof reader
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Post by weareblues on Jul 18, 2020 14:05:16 GMT
The E-programme has landed in the inbox. Bit disappointed not to see my name on the page of donators given it was part of the £5 pie and pint pledge (“everyone who pledges will have their name printed...”) whilst some people are duplicated or even triplicated, but other than that it’s a great read. Hardly the end of the world really is it
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 18, 2020 14:22:06 GMT
Didn’t say it was pal.
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Post by CH2 on Jul 18, 2020 14:49:30 GMT
I haven't got a copy yet. I received the email saying one was attached but there was no attachment.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jul 18, 2020 16:43:57 GMT
Dont buy programmes, enjoyed reading that. I think people are listed multiple times because they donated multiple times.
Also surprised to see Paul McDermott still listed as a Director. As Murphys right hand man Id assumed he had gone.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 18, 2020 16:49:46 GMT
The E-programme has landed in the inbox. Bit disappointed not to see my name on the page of donators given it was part of the £5 pie and pint pledge (“everyone who pledges will have their name printed...”) whilst some people are duplicated or even triplicated, but other than that it’s a great read. Mine isn’t on there either. Not a massive deal but still a bit disappointing.
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Post by Imperial on Jul 18, 2020 16:56:20 GMT
The E-programme has landed in the inbox. Bit disappointed not to see my name on the page of donators given it was part of the £5 pie and pint pledge (“everyone who pledges will have their name printed...”) whilst some people are duplicated or even triplicated, but other than that it’s a great read. Clearly a tory proof reader Why bring politics into it? To wind people up? Have a day off.
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Post by Royal Blue on Jul 18, 2020 17:22:48 GMT
Dont buy programmes, enjoyed reading that. I think people are listed multiple times because they donated multiple times. Also surprised to see Paul McDermott still listed as a Director. As Murphys right hand man Id assumed he had gone. It has DWH still as chairman so it's not fully up to date. Enjoying reading it so far, starting to build up some anticipation for tomorrow.
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Post by yossergolf on Jul 18, 2020 17:35:04 GMT
Haven’t received e program yet but a win tomorrow will end any disappointment. Good luck to the whole squad and management team, do yourself proud.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jul 18, 2020 17:46:17 GMT
Clearly a tory proof reader Why bring politics into it? To wind people up? Have a day off. Crack a smile you miserable git. It was a JOKE
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Post by jimgreen on Jul 18, 2020 17:59:14 GMT
If anyone has pledged and not yet received the programme, email media@chesterfc.com and we will look into it.
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Post by Imperial on Jul 19, 2020 15:37:07 GMT
Why bring politics into it? To wind people up? Have a day off. Crack a smile you miserable git. It was a JOKE You're about as funny as cancer.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19, 2020 15:41:28 GMT
Crack a smile you miserable git. It was a JOKE You're about as funny as cancer. Bit far that mate. Fucking hell.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 19, 2020 15:43:01 GMT
Crack a smile you miserable git. It was a JOKE You're about as funny as cancer. Not the best comment that, is it? I saw it more as Oaks trying to wind up FOP than "bringing politics into it" anyway.
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Post by Imperial on Jul 19, 2020 15:47:03 GMT
If I'm honest he's not even that funny. And digging "the Tories" out at every opportunity is 100% bringing politics into it. We all know there are people from all sides of the political compass who support the club so why take the opportunity to sow division?
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 19, 2020 15:48:12 GMT
If I'm honest he's not even that funny. And digging "the Tories" out at every opportunity is 100% bringing politics into it. We all know there are people from all sides of the political compass who support the club so why take the opportunity to sow division? Thing is, you’ve removed any credibility you have by your crass comment above.
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