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Post by The Swansway on Jun 28, 2020 6:42:37 GMT
What's the overall feeling amongst Deva Chatters?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 28, 2020 8:08:57 GMT
I can’t answer without knowing the full financial implications.
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Post by agl on Jun 28, 2020 8:26:06 GMT
I can’t answer without knowing the full financial implications. Yup,we need to know how much it will cost, how it impacts our financial situation. At the moment I can't see how anyone can make a call either way.
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Post by exiled on Jun 28, 2020 8:51:44 GMT
I keep swinging from, go for it, could be the last time the team plays for a long time. To what's the point, we don't know when the new season will kick off again or even what format it will take. Plus could we afford it?.
So in a nutshell, don't know.
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Post by chesterken on Jun 28, 2020 8:57:12 GMT
I can’t answer without knowing the full financial implications. And the board are probably doing the same very sensible.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 28, 2020 8:58:00 GMT
If it jeopardises the clubs finances then its a no from me but as said above without knowing the full financial implications I cant properly decide, so maybe an I don't know vote option should be added
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Post by exiled on Jun 28, 2020 9:09:51 GMT
Think the club needs a new anthem. "Should I stay or should I go" by the Clash seems apt.
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Post by agl on Jun 28, 2020 9:26:49 GMT
Bath, who also face up to three games, say the total cost will be 35k. The breakdown is 18k for the first and 17k for the two others, presumably because there are one off 'start up' costs. Have we spoken to them, I wonder?
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Post by alancfc on Jun 28, 2020 10:11:12 GMT
Do we really believe that next season we will finish top of the league, the only way of guaranteeing automatic promotion? For me, these managers don't know how to build a squad capable of doing that without significant spending, its been clear throughout this season they do not possess the technical and tactical knowledge to do so without buying players who should be playing in higher leagues, and therefore cover up their deficiencies. So the best place I believe we will be in next season is back in the playoff's, so whats the point in throwing all of this £100K we're raising at next season only to end up back in the same position we are now? we have to go into the playoffs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 10:47:19 GMT
Do we really believe that next season we will finish top of the league, the only way of guaranteeing automatic promotion? For me, these managers don't know how to build a squad capable of doing that without significant spending, its been clear throughout this season they do not possess the technical and tactical knowledge to do so without buying players who should be playing in higher leagues, and therefore cover up their deficiencies. So the best place I believe we will be in next season is back in the playoff's, so whats the point in throwing all of this £100K we're raising at next season only to end up back in the same position we are now? we have to go into the playoffs! At least let us get knocked out first before the summer of negativity kicks in LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 10:47:40 GMT
I can’t answer without knowing the full financial implications. This, absolutely this.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 28, 2020 11:31:33 GMT
Polls like this just show that people will happily express a strong yes/no opinion even without access to any information to help them formulate a decision.
It would be nice to play in the playoffs, in the same way it would nice to own a Ferrari. Whether we can or should is another question.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 12:02:29 GMT
Polls like this just show that people will happily express a strong yes/no opinion even without access to any information to help them formulate a decision. It would be nice to play in the playoffs, in the same way it would nice to own a Ferrari. Whether we can or should is another question. Now that’s exactly what the poll should have been. Would you rather own a Ferrari or see the blues in the playoffs?
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Post by Harry Lime on Jun 28, 2020 12:09:26 GMT
Agree with all the " we don't know all the relevant costs etc " comments.
My gut feeling is that we should. After all, it's three games to go up, rather than 38 - 41. However, if the Board decide not to participate, I'll support that decision.
The fittest team will probably get promoted this year. Suspect some sides will be fitter than others. Similar to how some Premier League sides look recently where the bigger clubs players do seem a level fitter. That may be an issue for us, as other sides are already back in training. 3+ weeks full time is a big advantage over <2 weeks part time.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 28, 2020 12:20:33 GMT
If you have ambition and want to see the club go places then yes is the only option you should vote
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Post by scotty on Jun 28, 2020 12:21:50 GMT
Polls like this just show that people will happily express a strong yes/no opinion even without access to any information to help them formulate a decision. It would be nice to play in the playoffs, in the same way it would nice to own a Ferrari. Whether we can or should is another question. But there is information. We know that we would have to play between 1 and 3 games; we know that they will be behind closed doors; we know that the costs of hosting matches will be split; we have estimates from other clubs that can be used as a guide to our own costs. Many times in life we have to make decisions without complete information. You rarely have 100% complete information for anything. What we don't know is affordability. I don't know how much cash the club has at hand. However I maintain that if we can, then we should.
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Post by rcb on Jun 28, 2020 12:46:52 GMT
In 2010 there was no club, no money, no ground, no manager, no players, but endeavour, heart and optimism created all of that. We’ve spent the last seven years going backwards whilst losing fans as we go, so it has to be a yes!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 12:51:43 GMT
In 2010 there was no club, no money, no ground, no manager, no players, but endeavour, heart and optimism created all of that. We’ve spent the last seven years going backwards whilst losing fans as we go, so it has to be a yes! As I’ve said before, it’s arguably as big of a game we’ve had in the last seven years but the time limit on preparation for that game is so minimal that it almost negates any good feeling towards it, especially when you hear Altrincham have already been tested and have started training.
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Post by Jack on Jun 28, 2020 12:57:32 GMT
I'd say yes if there are ways to offset at least some of the cost - whether it be business sponsorship or selling streams of the game for £15.
I think if it's a case of taking cash from the reserves, then it's not worth the gamble.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 28, 2020 13:12:53 GMT
If you have ambition and want to see the club go places then yes is the only option you should vote I have the ambition to own a mansion but I’m not going to take out tens of credit cards to pay for it.
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Post by rcb on Jun 28, 2020 13:32:10 GMT
If you have ambition and want to see the club go places then yes is the only option you should vote I have the ambition to own a mansion but I’m not going to take out tens of credit cards to pay for it. I suspect the mansion is more of a dream than an ambition.
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Post by exiled on Jun 28, 2020 14:31:10 GMT
Looks like the majority have gone for a straight yes on the poll. That's surprised me.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 28, 2020 14:41:30 GMT
Looks like the majority have gone for a straight yes on the poll. That's surprised me. Why is it suprising? Surely we all want to get out this shithole league and see us play as high as possible
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Post by exiled on Jun 28, 2020 14:54:05 GMT
Looks like the majority have gone for a straight yes on the poll. That's surprised me. Why is it suprising? Surely we all want to get out this shithole league and see us play as high as possible Yes you're right. I think every Chester fan wants the same, to compete in the playoffs and get out of this crap league. Just like to know what the financial implications are befor I give it a definite yes.
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Post by geoff on Jun 28, 2020 19:42:04 GMT
I’m changing my mind. I voted no but think the costs may be less than anticipated - the £50,000 cost seems to now be £35,000 if the Bath figures are correct. Also in terms of support, there is less risk in playing than opting out. A huge and difficult decision fir the Board.
I do have the utmost contempt for the National League who have put all clubs in an impossible position!
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Post by chesterken on Jun 28, 2020 20:00:06 GMT
This is not as black and white as yes and no, my vote is behind the board which ever way they decide will get my 100% backing.
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Post by agl on Jun 28, 2020 20:00:58 GMT
Maybe the question should be tweaked to- "if the cost is no more than 35k for three games should we play?"
Would anyone say no?
I would be in favour for reasons outlined on another thread:
* Cost offset by streaming and/or TV revenue; * Positive impact participating would have on fundraising: *Negative impact not participating would have on fundraising; *Raised profile of the club locally and nationally; *Harm to image of the club caused by not participating and possible loss of disillusioned fans; * Feelgood factor in build up to play offs
What I don't know is the cost of bonuses etc if we go up, and whether we can afford extra wages in the league above, and whether we need to factor this in as additional financial burden.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 28, 2020 21:40:27 GMT
Why are people mentioning potential TV revenue?
In a normal Conference Premier season I’m sure the home team gets £5,000 and the away team £1,000. As there has never been a Conference North or South televised match do you think 1) they’ll televise every single one of the ten playoff games and 2) award five/ten times their normal amount of TV money to clubs at a lower level than they’ve ever televised?
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Post by lincolnexile on Jun 29, 2020 7:04:41 GMT
Why are people mentioning potential TV revenue? In a normal Conference Premier season I’m sure the home team gets £5,000 and the away team £1,000. As there has never been a Conference North or South televised match do you think 1) they’ll televise every single one of the ten playoff games and 2) award five/ten times their normal amount of TV money to clubs at a lower level than they’ve ever televised? There won't be any TV money. Let's face it with the FA Cup semis being the same weekend as the first play off matches no one is going to be interested in watching a match between us and Alty apart from us and Alty fans. If we were to take part in the play offs then the best way to make some cash out of it would be to live stream it and charge on some sort of pay per view basis. Unfortunately it's not likely to happen because there won't be enough time to organise anything. Regarding the FA Cup semis, I wonder if the teams involved will be asked to pay for the preparation of Wembley, i.e; initial cleaning, cleaning between matches, etc... or will the FA pay for this?
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Post by agl on Jun 29, 2020 7:32:55 GMT
Why are people mentioning potential TV revenue? In a normal Conference Premier season I’m sure the home team gets £5,000 and the away team £1,000. As there has never been a Conference North or South televised match do you think 1) they’ll televise every single one of the ten playoff games and 2) award five/ten times their normal amount of TV money to clubs at a lower level than they’ve ever televised? There won't be any TV money. Let's face it with the FA Cup semis being the same weekend as the first play off matches no one is going to be interested in watching a match between us and Alty apart from us and Alty fans. If we were to take part in the play offs then the best way to make some cash out of it would be to live stream it and charge on some sort of pay per view basis. Unfortunately it's not likely to happen because there won't be enough time to organise anything. Regarding the FA Cup semis, I wonder if the teams involved will be asked to pay for the preparation of Wembley, i.e; initial cleaning, cleaning between matches, etc... or will the FA pay for this? My understanding is that there have been talks about BT showing the matches. They are desperate for live UK football. However, streaming would be more lucrative and I see no reason that cannot be organized in the time frame.
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