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Post by utb on Jul 25, 2020 21:24:59 GMT
All our first choice attacking midfielders should be targeting at least ten goals next season. Jackson, Johnston and Dudley. If we're looking to play 4-2-3-1 then you need your three attacking midfielders to get most of your goals and the striker to work his nuts off at bringing them all into play and chipping in with 10 plus goals himself. Get that and you'll be much closer to the top than the bottom.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 25, 2020 22:11:38 GMT
All our first choice attacking midfielders should be targeting at least ten goals next season. Jackson, Johnston and Dudley. If we're looking to play 4-2-3-1 then you need your three attacking midfielders to get most of your goals and the striker to work his nuts off at bringing them all into play and chipping in with 10 plus goals himself. Get that and you'll be much closer to the top than the bottom. Definitely think we suit a 433/4231 - the quality of Johnston and Jackson means they'd suit being wingers instead of wide midfielders - take away some of their defensive responsibility by adding a third midfielder with some athleticism. Johnston in particular has a knack for scoring as well as assisting. Play him at left wing and he'll get double figures. In bold you've essentially described an on-form Anthony Dudley. The lad is two steps ahead of the opposition with his off the ball movement. Class act.
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Post by g1 on Jul 25, 2020 22:27:00 GMT
This idea that you need a 20+ goals a season striker to get promoted thing gets bandied around a lot, but i'm not sure it's necessarily true (although i've not looked into it). E.g. if you're playing a 4-3-3 and the front 3 get 10+ goals but <20 goals between them, you're going to be in good stead for promotion (if not conceding as many) whilst also not relying heavily on 1 player. Obviously if the striker scores 20+ then that is a bonus, but not a necessity. Also, how do we know Waring and Elliott aren't 20+ goals a season strikers when they've mostly played second fiddle to Asante for 2/3rds+ of a season? I'm not completely disagreeing with you, just challenging that notion. If anyone can be bothered to look at the 2 promoted teams of say the previous 10 National North seasons and how many of these teams had 20+ goal a season strikers, that would be interesting and insightful. The year we won it Jarman top scored with 14. Five players got in to double figures and four got between 5-10. Jarman much maligned by many I know one like him then we do well
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Post by g1 on Jul 25, 2020 22:28:30 GMT
Personally can't see Elliott being here next season cos I don't think he will get game time
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Post by Anders on Jul 25, 2020 23:08:37 GMT
Matty Brown transfer listed by Halifax, can't commit to their extra training apparently, he's big mates with Kev Roberts I think.
Liam Nolan released by them as well, the tall ginger haired central midfielder who was at Southport a few years ago, still only mid twenties. Always looked good against us in the past.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 25, 2020 23:29:59 GMT
Matty Brown transfer listed by Halifax, can't commit to their extra training apparently, he's big mates with Kev Roberts I think. Liam Nolan released by them as well, the tall ginger haired central midfielder who was at Southport a few years ago, still only mid twenties. Always looked good against us in the past. Would have both in a heartbeat! Two top top players for this level.
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Post by devablue on Jul 26, 2020 10:49:39 GMT
Matty Brown transfer listed by Halifax, can't commit to their extra training apparently, he's big mates with Kev Roberts I think. Liam Nolan released by them as well, the tall ginger haired central midfielder who was at Southport a few years ago, still only mid twenties. Always looked good against us in the past. Would have both in a heartbeat! Two top top players for this level. Agreed, although I wouldn't imagine they will drop below NL level
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Post by Anders on Jul 26, 2020 12:05:40 GMT
Would have both in a heartbeat! Two top top players for this level. Agreed, although I wouldn't imagine they will drop below NL level If Brown can't commit to extra training, what part time/hybrid Northern based clubs are there in the NL?
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Post by g1 on Jul 26, 2020 12:21:58 GMT
Agreed, although I wouldn't imagine they will drop below NL level If Brown can't commit to extra training, what part time/hybrid Northern based clubs are there in the NL? I remember Matty brown first few games he had for us was shocking but grew into the role also looks a top lad and a regular for Halifax so I would take him back heard Nolan had a bad attitude but could play so might be worth the risk
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Post by g1 on Jul 26, 2020 12:23:45 GMT
Would have both in a heartbeat! Two top top players for this level. Agreed, although I wouldn't imagine they will drop below NL level players might have to go where they have to go cos not many teams have money so might have to take a paycut to get a club
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Post by sealandender1 on Jul 26, 2020 12:55:28 GMT
Agreed, although I wouldn't imagine they will drop below NL level players might have to go where they have to go cos not many teams have money so might have to take a paycut to get a club I think you’re spot on g1; with the overall financial hardship at the vast majority of teams at our level it will be very much ‘beggars can’t be choosers’.
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Post by devablue on Jul 26, 2020 17:26:01 GMT
Agreed, although I wouldn't imagine they will drop below NL level If Brown can't commit to extra training, what part time/hybrid Northern based clubs are there in the NL? Good point Anders, perhaps we have a chance then
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Post by Anders on Jul 26, 2020 19:57:10 GMT
If Brown can't commit to extra training, what part time/hybrid Northern based clubs are there in the NL? Good point Anders, perhaps we have a chance then Personal circumstances come in to it a lot more with non-league players in to their late twenties and thirties I think. Much more likely to be settled somewhere and bound by what clubs are located within reasonable travelling time. Only going to be so many at their sort of level.
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Post by weareblues on Jul 26, 2020 20:19:26 GMT
Kev Roberts Brown Grand Taylor
What a defence that would be
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Post by noddy on Jul 26, 2020 21:48:16 GMT
Kev Roberts Brown Grand Taylor What a defence that would be Still no pace in the centre. Brown would be a no for me personally.
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Post by weareblues on Jul 26, 2020 21:54:37 GMT
Kev Roberts Brown Grand Taylor What a defence that would be Still no pace in the centre. Brown would be a no for me personally. Brown and Kev Roberts together are class always used to be a pain in arse to play against when we played halifax
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 26, 2020 22:19:10 GMT
Kev Roberts Brown Grand Taylor What a defence that would be Still no pace in the centre. Brown would be a no for me personally. People can talk about pace, but when have Grand or Livesey conceded due to a lack of pace?! It's a myth... not like McNulty is rapid. Captained Halifax to promotion, to NL playoffs, FL interest... Matty Brown would be the best centre half in the sixth tier.
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Post by noddy on Jul 26, 2020 22:34:12 GMT
Still no pace in the centre. Brown would be a no for me personally. People can talk about pace, but when have Grand or Livesey conceded due to a lack of pace?! It's a myth... not like McNulty is rapid. Captained Halifax to promotion, to NL playoffs, FL interest... Matty Brown would be the best centre half in the sixth tier. All about opinions guys, I also remember the Matty Brown who came back overweight and had the turning capacity of a milk float in the first few games of the season. No doubt he could do a decent job if someone had pace alongside him, but that counts for either Livesey or Grand.
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Post by agl on Jul 27, 2020 15:06:07 GMT
People can talk about pace, but when have Grand or Livesey conceded due to a lack of pace?! It's a myth... not like McNulty is rapid. Captained Halifax to promotion, to NL playoffs, FL interest... Matty Brown would be the best centre half in the sixth tier. All about opinions guys, I also remember the Matty Brown who came back overweight and had the turning capacity of a milk float in the first few games of the season. No doubt he could do a decent job if someone had pace alongside him, but that counts for either Livesey or Grand. Never rated Brown that highly. Anyway I thought the plan was to try to get players in their early to mid-20s with development/ sell-on potential? Surely that has to be the way forward for us.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 27, 2020 15:42:53 GMT
Dan Bradley signs for Alfreton... another club who will no doubt play the skint card. He’ll be on silly money there.
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Post by Anders on Jul 27, 2020 15:57:34 GMT
Dan Bradley signs for Alfreton... another club who will no doubt play the skint card. He’ll be on silly money there. He's spent a fair bit of his career with them before to be fair and is from around that way.
Something is wrong with Fylde though, Bradley himself hasn't been complimentary about them on twitter and noticed a few others involved with them doing similar. It's mad that their squad found a way to get relegated.
Bentley's off work ill as well for a while.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 27, 2020 16:27:16 GMT
Still no pace in the centre. Brown would be a no for me personally. People can talk about pace, but when have Grand or Livesey conceded due to a lack of pace?! It's a myth... not like McNulty is rapid. Captained Halifax to promotion, to NL playoffs, FL interest... Matty Brown would be the best centre half in the sixth tier. Strange isn't it. People go on about lack of pace and poor distribution. I may be missing something but I thought Centre Halves needed to be good in the air and physically strong enough to deal with the centre forward. I know the game has changed, but if you can't do the above, you'd be stuffed at this level. That's why you don't see many young centre halves in NL or NLN. You won't get everything in a player at this level. The other thing to remember us that our midfield is fairly small too. We dont have many big strong players to help with some if the aerial threat.
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Post by agl on Jul 27, 2020 16:50:06 GMT
Adam Collin, goalkeeper, signed for Kettering after leaving Carlisle.
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Post by Jack on Jul 27, 2020 18:36:23 GMT
People can talk about pace, but when have Grand or Livesey conceded due to a lack of pace?! It's a myth... not like McNulty is rapid. Captained Halifax to promotion, to NL playoffs, FL interest... Matty Brown would be the best centre half in the sixth tier. Strange isn't it. People go on about lack of pace and poor distribution. I may be missing something but I thought Centre Halves needed to be good in the air and physically strong enough to deal with the centre forward. I know the game has changed, but if you can't do the above, you'd be stuffed at this level. That's why you don't see many young centre halves in NL or NLN. You won't get everything in a player at this level. The other thing to remember us that our midfield is fairly small too. We dont have many big strong players to help with some if the aerial threat. Totally agree. Pace isn't the be all and end all for a centre back. For all the mocking of Ryan Astles, I could count on one hand the amount of times he was done for pace in his time here.
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Post by g1 on Jul 27, 2020 18:44:59 GMT
People can talk about pace, but when have Grand or Livesey conceded due to a lack of pace?! It's a myth... not like McNulty is rapid. Captained Halifax to promotion, to NL playoffs, FL interest... Matty Brown would be the best centre half in the sixth tier. Strange isn't it. People go on about lack of pace and poor distribution. I may be missing something but I thought Centre Halves needed to be good in the air and physically strong enough to deal with the centre forward. I know the game has changed, but if you can't do the above, you'd be stuffed at this level. That's why you don't see many young centre halves in NL or NLN. You won't get everything in a player at this level. The other thing to remember us that our midfield is fairly small too. We dont have many big strong players to help with some if the aerial threat. yet people talk about aerial threat yet want alabi back who couldn't jump
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Post by agl on Jul 27, 2020 20:51:55 GMT
Strange isn't it. People go on about lack of pace and poor distribution. I may be missing something but I thought Centre Halves needed to be good in the air and physically strong enough to deal with the centre forward. I know the game has changed, but if you can't do the above, you'd be stuffed at this level. That's why you don't see many young centre halves in NL or NLN. You won't get everything in a player at this level. The other thing to remember us that our midfield is fairly small too. We dont have many big strong players to help with some if the aerial threat. yet people talk about aerial threat yet want alabi back who couldn't jump Those who rate Alabi (myself included) appreciate that his strengths are not in the air.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jul 29, 2020 13:38:54 GMT
If Brown can't commit to extra training, what part time/hybrid Northern based clubs are there in the NL? I remember Matty brown first few games he had for us was shocking but grew into the role also looks a top lad and a regular for Halifax so I would take him back heard Nolan had a bad attitude but could play so might be worth the risk I think thats Coleen Nolan...
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 29, 2020 16:39:38 GMT
York going against the trend of retaining a core to build on and get out of this league - they've not messed about in releasing 13; Tom Allan, Andy Bond, Jordan Burrow, Nathan Dyer, Kallum Griffiths, Joe Tait, Macaulay Langstaff, Dan Maguire, Steve McNulty, Adriano Moke, Jake Watson, Jake Wright, Wes York Adam Buxton has also left after his short term deal. www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/news/club/thirteen-players-be-released-retained-list-announced
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 29, 2020 17:22:16 GMT
Big earners gone. Beggars can’t be choosers in this pandemic era.
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Post by agl on Jul 29, 2020 17:33:36 GMT
York going against the trend of retaining a core to build on and get out of this league - they've not messed about in releasing 13; Tom Allan, Andy Bond, Jordan Burrow, Nathan Dyer, Kallum Griffiths, Joe Tait, Macaulay Langstaff, Dan Maguire, Steve McNulty, Adriano Moke, Jake Watson, Jake Wright, Wes York Adam Buxton has also left after his short term deal. www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/news/club/thirteen-players-be-released-retained-list-announcedCue someone saying NcNulty could do a job for us. Wouldn't mind a few of the others, though!
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