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Post by devadiva on Jul 26, 2020 12:12:37 GMT
How about a live streaming season ticket ? Would have to put out the information for fans and see if enough would sign up for it to make it worthwhile doing, (costs for camera equipment, streaming costs etc) This could make up for some lost revenue and would be perfect for exiles, fans that don’t want to attend the game, or even fans that can’t make the game on a regular basis. But would need a better set up than the awful one we had to endure for the play off game against Alty.
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Post by devafeva on Jul 26, 2020 12:13:46 GMT
Morning all, We hope to have an update on the season tickets detail this week. Naturally we're in a bit of a minefield with the guidance being given (that also constantly changes too!), and are looking at various ways to make things work for the best, both in terms of selling season tickets and also the logistics of seats etc for next season. Thanks Jeff As a overseas fan. I would buy a streaming season ticket. 100%.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 26, 2020 12:26:01 GMT
How about a live streaming season ticket ? Would have to put out the information for fans and see if enough would sign up for it to make it worthwhile doing, (costs for camera equipment, streaming costs etc) This could make up for some lost revenue and would be perfect for exiles, fans that don’t want to attend the game, or even fans that can’t make the game on a regular basis. But would need a better set up than the awful one we had to endure for the play off game against Alty. The setup at Alty was great, no issues from me, what was wrong with it?
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Post by exiled on Jul 26, 2020 12:43:34 GMT
There's a long way to go on this one. From things like pricing season tickets for a reduced attendance. To the logistical nightmare of seating arrangements. Even if every other row is left empty and the occupied rows are spaced at every 2 seats, it's going to be awkward for people to maintain social distancing.
For instance if you're placed in the centre of the row and you need the toilet and can't wait until halftime, how do you get from your seat to the end of the row without brushing against other people to get past? Or asking everyone to leave their seat and stand on the steps in order to comply with social distancing. Also will the kiosks be viable. In the end surely commonsense has to prevail.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jul 26, 2020 14:12:11 GMT
There's a long way to go on this one. From things like pricing season tickets for a reduced attendance. To the logistical nightmare of seating arrangements. Even if every other row is left empty and the occupied rows are spaced at every 2 seats, it's going to be awkward for people to maintain social distancing. For instance if you're placed in the centre of the row and you need the toilet and can't wait until halftime, how do you get from your seat to the end of the row without brushing against other people to get past? Or asking everyone to leave their seat and stand on the steps in order to comply with social distancing. Also will the kiosks be viable. In the end surely commonsense has to prevail. These are guidelines ffs. Can't go to the toilet cos of social distancing? Get a life...its not the bubonic plague 😁
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Post by exiled on Jul 26, 2020 15:12:32 GMT
There's a long way to go on this one. From things like pricing season tickets for a reduced attendance. To the logistical nightmare of seating arrangements. Even if every other row is left empty and the occupied rows are spaced at every 2 seats, it's going to be awkward for people to maintain social distancing. For instance if you're placed in the centre of the row and you need the toilet and can't wait until halftime, how do you get from your seat to the end of the row without brushing against other people to get past? Or asking everyone to leave their seat and stand on the steps in order to comply with social distancing. Also will the kiosks be viable. In the end surely commonsense has to prevail. These are guidelines ffs. Can't go to the toilet cos of social distancing? Get a life...its not the bubonic plague 😁 Bad attitude! Going to the toilet was just an example of why someone may have to leave their seat during a game, there are many other reasons. Police have powers to fine or shut down premises for breaching so called guidlines. Not to mention people have died. The point I was trying to make is, there has to be a degree of flexibility for stadiums etc, otherwise it's completely unworkable. And as Jeff said they keep changing so nobody knows what the final guidelines will be. But whatever they are we will have to abide by them like everyone else.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jul 26, 2020 15:15:48 GMT
No you don't they are GUIDELINES...not laws...
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Post by waggoner on Jul 26, 2020 15:16:27 GMT
There's a long way to go on this one. From things like pricing season tickets for a reduced attendance. To the logistical nightmare of seating arrangements. Even if every other row is left empty and the occupied rows are spaced at every 2 seats, it's going to be awkward for people to maintain social distancing. For instance if you're placed in the centre of the row and you need the toilet and can't wait until halftime, how do you get from your seat to the end of the row without brushing against other people to get past? Or asking everyone to leave their seat and stand on the steps in order to comply with social distancing. Also will the kiosks be viable. In the end surely commonsense has to prevail. These are guidelines ffs. Can't go to the toilet cos of social distancing? Get a life...its not the bubonic plague 😁 No it is not as mild as Bubonic plague. The Plague is a bacteria and curable with antibiotics. Covid 19 is a nasty Virus with no known cure. So exiled is bang on with his statement, how do you use social distancing when you have to brush past people to go to the loo or for a cup of tea?. The toilets would have one urinal in 2 taped off for social distancing reasons and someone will have to count people in and out because the bogs will be restricted on how many can go in at a time. Covid 19 has not gone away and is still killing people all over the world including in this country. As Exiled stated ''common sense has to prevail'' well there is the problem...90% will use common sense, it's the 10% 'nobody tells me what to do brigade' that will kill you! You argue that these are only 'guidelines' well there is the problem for all to see. If 50% abide by the 'guidelines' and 50% refuse to the whole thing becomes dangerous to everyone in the ground. I take it you are one of the 'nobody tells me what to do brigade'?
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Post by chesterken on Jul 26, 2020 16:22:24 GMT
These are guidelines ffs. Can't go to the toilet cos of social distancing? Get a life...its not the bubonic plague 😁 No it is not as mild as Bubonic plague. The Plague is a bacteria and curable with antibiotics. Covid 19 is a nasty Virus with no known cure. So exiled is bang on with his statement, how do you use social distancing when you have to brush past people to go to the loo or for a cup of tea?. The toilets would have one urinal in 2 taped off for social distancing reasons and someone will have to count people in and out because the bogs will be restricted on how many can go in at a time. Covid 19 has not gone away and is still killing people all over the world including in this country. As Exiled stated ''common sense has to prevail'' well there is the problem...90% will use common sense, it's the 10% 'nobody tells me what to do brigade' that will kill you! You argue that these are only 'guidelines' well there is the problem for all to see. If 50% abide by the 'guidelines' and 50% refuse to the whole thing becomes dangerous to everyone in the ground. I take it you are one of the 'nobody tells me what to do brigade'? Also a lot of our fans are in the very vulnerable age group .
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jul 26, 2020 16:31:53 GMT
Jesus ! Talk about paranoia ? I am confident our club will manage the situation but will never avoid some not adhering to distancing conscious or unconcious but just stop flapping...please ?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 26, 2020 16:41:52 GMT
Jesus ! Talk about paranoia ? I am confident our club will manage the situation but will never avoid some not adhering to distancing conscious or unconcious but just stop flapping...please ? Yeah guys, stop flapping! It’s not as if tens of thousands have died in this country!
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Post by cheshireblue on Jul 26, 2020 21:14:56 GMT
Jesus ! Talk about paranoia ? I am confident our club will manage the situation but will never avoid some not adhering to distancing conscious or unconcious but just stop flapping...please ? This, ladies and gentlemen, is the very reason grown adults need to be told to wash their hands and wear a mask. The very same type of person who wouldn't have turned their lights off during the blitz.
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Post by RonD on Jul 27, 2020 11:07:17 GMT
Jesus ! Talk about paranoia ? I am confident our club will manage the situation but will never avoid some not adhering to distancing conscious or unconcious but just stop flapping...please ? Ha, ha. Nothing to flap about, only 649,000 deaths worldwide! 😳
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Post by exiled on Jul 29, 2020 11:21:21 GMT
Just noticed Harlepool united have released their season ticket details for the coming season.
1,000 intial tickets on a first come first served basis.£325 Adult. Concession £225.
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Post by RonD on Aug 1, 2020 9:00:11 GMT
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Post by chesterblueboy on Aug 1, 2020 10:58:59 GMT
I honestly think that for this season only, we need to increase the price of season tickets - on the basis that there will be greatly reduced numbers attending (with some suitable monthly & quarterly options for those who cannot pay in 1 go) to take into account, that even when we are allowed some fans back, we may not be able to open the bar and/or refreshment kiosks, or will certainly sell far less on site food & drink than normal.
For the extra amount, season ticket holders receive priority entrance, when fans are allowed back in & maybe some other offers that in reality don’t cost the club cash (as with the offers for the ‘Boost The Budget’ scheme)
I’m not proposing a huge amount extra (from memory a main stand adult season ticket was £250 last year) maybe increase it to £300-£350 for 1 season only.
In reality, it is unlikely that we will see anything approaching a full stadium next season and as owners, we need to dig deep (again), I’ve noticed that many non league clubs are only offering a limited number of season tickets, there is nothing like a ‘limited offer’ to push people Into a purchase.
I understand that things are going to be difficult for a number of people for the next 12-18 months (at least) but based on the outstanding generosity of the fans for the 2 recent funds, I don’t think I’m the only one who would be prepared to pay an extra amount for next season, to make up for the huge hole in next year’s finances.
The other option is a season of struggle when we can’t even afford to sign on last seasons squad and we have to look at off loading the players under contract (several of whom, many of our rivals for next season would want to sign!)
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Post by Jack on Aug 1, 2020 11:09:55 GMT
I honestly think that for this season only, we need to increase the price of season tickets - on the basis that there will be greatly reduced numbers attending (with some suitable monthly & quarterly options for those who cannot pay in 1 go) to take into account, that even when we are allowed some fans back, we may not be able to open the bar and/or refreshment kiosks, or will certainly sell far less on site food & drink than normal. For the extra amount, season ticket holders receive priority entrance, when fans are allowed back in & maybe some other offers that in reality don’t cost the club cash (as with the offers for the ‘Boost The Budget’ scheme) I’m not proposing a huge amount extra (from memory a main stand adult season ticket was £250 last year) maybe increase it to £300-£350 for 1 season only. In reality, it is unlikely that we will see anything approaching a full stadium next season and as owners, we need to dig deep (again), I’ve noticed that many non league clubs are only offering a limited number of season tickets, there is nothing like a ‘limited offer’ to push people Into a purchase. I understand that things are going to be difficult for a number of people for the next 12-18 months (at least) but based on the outstanding generosity of the fans for the 2 recent funds, I don’t think I’m the only one who would be prepared to pay an extra amount for next season, to make up for the huge hole in next year’s finances. The other option is a season of struggle when we can’t even afford to sign on last seasons squad and we have to look at off loading the players under contract (several of whom, many of our rivals for next season would want to sign!) I think there could be an argument to pitch them with a 'basic' price of say £250, but advertise a 'pay what you like' for any figure above that. That way, we'd definitely get some of our supporters wanting to contribute an extra £50 or so, but we avoid being seen as a club who increases cost for supporters in the middle of a pandemic. It would all be the in the advertising, but the 'Boost The Budget' was pitched perfectly and the end result was fantastic. I'm sure if we did something similar for a 'pay what you like' ticket, we'd get a similar uptake.
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Post by superman on Aug 1, 2020 11:27:31 GMT
Keep prices the same but do away with early bird reductions. If you can shift 1500 then guaranteed income makes better budgeting easier.
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Post by exiled on Aug 1, 2020 11:33:02 GMT
I honestly think that for this season only, we need to increase the price of season tickets - on the basis that there will be greatly reduced numbers attending (with some suitable monthly & quarterly options for those who cannot pay in 1 go) to take into account, that even when we are allowed some fans back, we may not be able to open the bar and/or refreshment kiosks, or will certainly sell far less on site food & drink than normal. For the extra amount, season ticket holders receive priority entrance, when fans are allowed back in & maybe some other offers that in reality don’t cost the club cash (as with the offers for the ‘Boost The Budget’ scheme) I’m not proposing a huge amount extra (from memory a main stand adult season ticket was £250 last year) maybe increase it to £300-£350 for 1 season only. In reality, it is unlikely that we will see anything approaching a full stadium next season and as owners, we need to dig deep (again), I’ve noticed that many non league clubs are only offering a limited number of season tickets, there is nothing like a ‘limited offer’ to push people Into a purchase. I understand that things are going to be difficult for a number of people for the next 12-18 months (at least) but based on the outstanding generosity of the fans for the 2 recent funds, I don’t think I’m the only one who would be prepared to pay an extra amount for next season, to make up for the huge hole in next year’s finances. The other option is a season of struggle when we can’t even afford to sign on last seasons squad and we have to look at off loading the players under contract (several of whom, many of our rivals for next season would want to sign!) And also less money taken at club shop and carpark is also classed as lost match day income.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 1, 2020 11:39:07 GMT
I’m not proposing a huge amount extra (from memory a main stand adult season ticket was £250 last year) maybe increase it to £300-£350 for 1 season only. I’m glad you’re in a position where a £100 increase in an era of furlough and job losses is “not a huge amount” for you.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 1, 2020 11:59:57 GMT
The more and more this virus affects allowing attendances the more feasible live streaming becomes I'm sure we could do it as long as the initial investment doesn't break the bank
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 12:09:05 GMT
I’m not proposing a huge amount extra (from memory a main stand adult season ticket was £250 last year) maybe increase it to £300-£350 for 1 season only. I’m glad you’re in a position where a £100 increase in an era of furlough and job losses is “not a huge amount” for you. Really hope we don't add on to the cost of season tickets a £100 increase would probably tap me out, between Seals Lottery, the £20 a month Boost The Budget Direct Debit and the regular Season Ticket cost, I'd be spending beyond my means on supporting the team, we have to keep the football affordable for the majority and not price people out. £100 to many people is an awful lot of money.
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 1, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
Disagree with the price increase argument.
Not sure you can ask people to pay more, when they're likely to miss a number of games. Either due to crowd limitations, or intermittent lockdowns. Not sure I'd want to buy 2, if it cost an extra £200. Especially if paying for Squadbuilder and Boost the Budget too.
We need to add a clause in player contracts to cover an incomplete season.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 1, 2020 12:44:22 GMT
I’m glad you’re in a position where a £100 increase in an era of furlough and job losses is “not a huge amount” for you. Really hope we don't add on to the cost of season tickets a £100 increase would probably tap me out, between Seals Lottery, the £20 a month Boost The Budget Direct Debit and the regular Season Ticket cost, I'd be spending beyond my means on supporting the team, we have to keep the football affordable for the majority and not price people out. £100 to many people is an awful lot of money. I think anything over the normal year on year increase would be too much for most people a lot of who have been badly affected by covid yes it will affect the playing budget but we will have to live within our means. All teams are going to be affected in the same way just look at York offloading high earners and going hybrid so apart from a few sugar daddies throwing silly money about as usual hopefully the playing field will be fairly level next year
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Post by rcb on Aug 1, 2020 12:49:07 GMT
Almost 60 years since the maximum wage was abolished in the Football League, from which point footballers have been able to negotiate wages they feel they are worth, based on their own ability and their employers ability to pay. Simply put, the best players go to the best payers, who in turn become the best team. Manchester City are the prime example. I doubt any current Manchester City players would have opted for the club in the absence of Sheikh Mansour’s wealth. I can only recall Alan Shearer who opted for his home town team in favour of a better offer elsewhere, and that was 24 years ago! The problem with level 6 football at the moment is that no club can make a valid projection in regard to It’s potential income, but the guess is that it will be considerably less than last season. The same applies to clubs further up the pyramid. As such, the worth of any player will be considerably lower than for previous seasons. Clubs with the majority of their squad already contracted from last year could well bankrupt themselves unless players accept the current normality. The trouble is WE JUST DON’T KNOW what our income will be. Impossible situation to be in. It would be easy to evaluate last season’s wages as a percentage of income, after fixed costs, and thus offer contracts based on those percentages of this season’s incomes. No doubt a massive wage cut for players. Good sales of season tickets this season will involve a lot of goodwill by fans. www.efl.com/news/2016/january/fifty-five-years-to-the-day-20-maximum-wage-cap-abolished-by-football-league-clubs/
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Post by eddieshead on Aug 1, 2020 13:37:42 GMT
I honestly think that for this season only, we need to increase the price of season tickets - on the basis that there will be greatly reduced numbers attending (with some suitable monthly & quarterly options for those who cannot pay in 1 go) to take into account, that even when we are allowed some fans back, we may not be able to open the bar and/or refreshment kiosks, or will certainly sell far less on site food & drink than normal. For the extra amount, season ticket holders receive priority entrance, when fans are allowed back in & maybe some other offers that in reality don’t cost the club cash (as with the offers for the ‘Boost The Budget’ scheme) I’m not proposing a huge amount extra (from memory a main stand adult season ticket was £250 last year) maybe increase it to £300-£350 for 1 season only. In reality, it is unlikely that we will see anything approaching a full stadium next season and as owners, we need to dig deep (again), I’ve noticed that many non league clubs are only offering a limited number of season tickets, there is nothing like a ‘limited offer’ to push people Into a purchase. I understand that things are going to be difficult for a number of people for the next 12-18 months (at least) but based on the outstanding generosity of the fans for the 2 recent funds, I don’t think I’m the only one who would be prepared to pay an extra amount for next season, to make up for the huge hole in next year’s finances. The other option is a season of struggle when we can’t even afford to sign on last seasons squad and we have to look at off loading the players under contract (several of whom, many of our rivals for next season would want to sign!)
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Post by chesterblueboy on Aug 1, 2020 13:53:31 GMT
Completely accept the comments re people’s finances being badly affected by the pandemic but feel we have 3 choices here:-
1) Increase our income (going to be difficult with, at best, very restricted attendances)
2) Seek external funding (apart from the fact that it would split fan base in 2, not the ideal time to be looking at this option, vultures will circle looking to get a share of the club on the cheap)
3) Accept that we will struggle all season with a far inferior squad (lets be honest even with ‘Uncle Stuart’s’ support, we didn’t exactly tear up the division last year!!)
There is a 4th option, Bern & Jonno pull a few rabbits out of the hat, bring in a few quality players in on loan and persuade the players (all of whom are on modest wages anyway) to take a big pay cut!!
I agree that all clubs (even some Premier League and Championship clubs) are in the same mess!!!
At least we don’t have 15 players under contract
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 14:35:51 GMT
Presuming there will not be enough season tickets to go round maybe we should have some sort of drop box where by if you know you are not going to make certain games you put in your spare ticket. The club Could then sell these on at pay on the gate prices first come first served. Win win for the club
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Post by chesterblueboy on Aug 1, 2020 17:01:20 GMT
Presuming there will not be enough season tickets to go round maybe we should have some sort of drop box where by if you know you are not going to make certain games you put in your spare ticket. The club Could then sell these on at pay on the gate prices first come first served. Win win for the club Excellent idea (as it’s a bit of a pain to get down to the ground, maybe you could phone up/email the club to say you can’t go?). Many times my row (which is mainly season ticket holders) is half empty, particularly for evening games in mid winter 🥶!!
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 1, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
Completely accept the comments re people’s finances being badly affected by the pandemic but feel we have 3 choices here:- 1) Increase our income (going to be difficult with, at best, very restricted attendances) 2) Seek external funding (apart from the fact that it would split fan base in 2, not the ideal time to be looking at this option, vultures will circle looking to get a share of the club on the cheap) 3) Accept that we will struggle all season with a far inferior squad (lets be honest even with ‘Uncle Stuart’s’ support, we didn’t exactly tear up the division last year!!) There is a 4th option, Bern & Jonno pull a few rabbits out of the hat, bring in a few quality players in on loan and persuade the players (all of whom are on modest wages anyway) to take a big pay cut!! I agree that all clubs (even some Premier League and Championship clubs) are in the same mess!!! At least we don’t have 15 players under contract Nearly all clubs will be in the same position, though. It won't be just us that will have to budget for lower income. Logically, wages will reduce. However, when did the words 'logical' and 'football' go together in the same sentence?
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