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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 23, 2020 1:53:36 GMT
Given that after last nights announcenent re: further covid restrictions and the statement that spectator sports will not now resume, in October.: where does that leave us and other Conference North clubs? All lower league clubs rely on attendances to survive, unlike he elite clubs who can rely on broadcasting revenue. Should the season be postponed or suspended or should streaming platforms and pay per view be developed? What are your views?!
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Post by RonD on Sept 23, 2020 5:17:16 GMT
Given that after last nights announcenent re: further covid restrictions and the statement that spectator sports will not now resume, in October.: where does that leave us and other Conference North clubs? All lower league clubs rely on attendances to survive, unlike he elite clubs who can rely on broadcasting revenue. Should the season be postponed or suspended or should streaming platforms and pay per view be developed? What are your views?! Looks highly unlikely to be any fans allowed in grounds after yesterday's announcement. The National League have said they won't resume without fans in grounds. Appears a pretty grim outlook.
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Post by devadiva on Sept 23, 2020 7:28:16 GMT
Streaming seems to be the only viable alternative to fans in grounds. What I’d like to see is the National League taking some responsibility and co-ordinating the setting up of a streaming service that the clubs in the league can all use. Ideally it would provide live coverage (which would generate the most £££S) but even if it’s just the ability to upload the club video behind a pay wall after the match, that’s better than nothing. The clubs could then sort the video and commentary out (in conjunction with Seals Live?). As fans I think (for this season at least) we need to get comfortable with paying to see matches/highlights on line, even if they have been free in the past. To not do this risks having no club to watch next season.
So all of this is probably wishful thinking but that’s the kind of thing I would expect a “Governing Body” to step up to the plate and take the lead on. If they won’t/don’t then Plan B will be the club having to sort it. The problem is that that will probably mean it’ll be a real pain trying to stream away games as every club will do something different.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 23, 2020 7:29:54 GMT
Given that after last nights announcenent re: further covid restrictions and the statement that spectator sports will not now resume, in October.: where does that leave us and other Conference North clubs? All lower league clubs rely on attendances to survive, unlike he elite clubs who can rely on broadcasting revenue. Should the season be postponed or suspended or should streaming platforms and pay per view be developed? What are your views?! Looks highly unlikely to be any fans allowed in grounds after yesterday's announcement. The National League have said they won't resume without fans in grounds. Appears a pretty grim outlook. Simply, if competition is suspended then the Governments furloughed scheme needs to be extended, alongside rent and tax breaks otherwise many clubs will not survive
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Post by Lobster on Sept 23, 2020 7:37:19 GMT
Looks highly unlikely to be any fans allowed in grounds after yesterday's announcement. The National League have said they won't resume without fans in grounds. Appears a pretty grim outlook. Simply, if competition is suspended then the Governments furloughed scheme needs to be extended, alongside rent and tax breaks otherwise many clubs will not survive Indeed, and I know people don't like it on the main forum but we are going to need to "be political" in the interests of the club.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 23, 2020 7:39:33 GMT
Streaming seems to be the only viable alternative to fans in grounds. What I’d like to see is the National League taking some responsibility and co-ordinating the setting up of a streaming service that the clubs in the league can all use. Ideally it would provide live coverage (which would generate the most £££S) but even if it’s just the ability to upload the club video behind a pay wall after the match, that’s better than nothing. The clubs could then sort the video and commentary out (in conjunction with Seals Live?). As fans I think (for this season at least) we need to get comfortable with paying to see matches/highlights on line, even if they have been free in the past. To not do this risks having no club to watch next season. So all of this is probably wishful thinking but that’s the kind of thing I would expect a “Governing Body” to step up to the plate and take the lead on. If they won’t/don’t then Plan B will be the club having to sort it. The problem is that that will probably mean it’ll be a real pain trying to stream away games as every club will do something different. The key point is that the National league need to take some responsibility. This needs to be co-ordinated by the league and the link up with an established broadcaster initiated and a pay wall introduced. This is the only viable alternative to the suspension of the competition and an extension of the furloughed scheme.
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Post by dhw on Sept 23, 2020 8:25:34 GMT
Streaming seems to be the only viable alternative to fans in grounds. What I’d like to see is the National League taking some responsibility and co-ordinating the setting up of a streaming service that the clubs in the league can all use. Ideally it would provide live coverage (which would generate the most £££S) but even if it’s just the ability to upload the club video behind a pay wall after the match, that’s better than nothing. The clubs could then sort the video and commentary out (in conjunction with Seals Live?). As fans I think (for this season at least) we need to get comfortable with paying to see matches/highlights on line, even if they have been free in the past. To not do this risks having no club to watch next season. So all of this is probably wishful thinking but that’s the kind of thing I would expect a “Governing Body” to step up to the plate and take the lead on. If they won’t/don’t then Plan B will be the club having to sort it. The problem is that that will probably mean it’ll be a real pain trying to stream away games as every club will do something different. The key point is that the National league need to take some responsibility. This needs to be co-ordinated by the league and the link up with an established broadcaster initiated and a pay wall introduced. This is the only viable alternative to the suspension of the competition and an extension of the furloughed scheme. Comedy gold - our league deciding to do something that would benefit their member clubs?? And decide quickly so they can plan?? Never.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 23, 2020 8:44:07 GMT
An emergency plan by the NL should have already been put in place. Yes fans were to be allowed back in at the start of October, but there was a good chance this wasn't going to last if infection rates increased as forecast during the winter months. Surely this has been looked at by the league, and a what if scenario was looked at if football at this level was going to be able to continue, and the season completed without fans being admitted.
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Sept 23, 2020 8:48:12 GMT
My least favourite Harry Potter book
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Post by Si on Sept 23, 2020 8:50:07 GMT
My opinion is that the season must start with or without fans. Without meaningful games to watch and debate then I fear interest will wane and it will be a battle to get them to ever return. Not to mention the lads have been in training and playing pre season matches, so it would be a massive shame if all that was for nothing and effectively we have to start pre season again at an undefined point in time. Agree with the points above that it would be fantastic if the league could come up with a co-ordinated approach so that fans of all clubs have the right to access the same quality service for the same price etc. The thought of the club just bumbling along without playing games is just unthinkable and will be the death of us - at least with the money from streaming it will provide a revenue stream which is more than what we have now. I accept there may be a cost for setting up the platform but hopefully we can price games accordingly and I guess there may be savings to be made on matchdays to offset that such as no bills for stewarding/policing, reduced water/electricity use, programme printing etc.
And despite all of the above being a huge headache, you also have to take into account testing and potential breaks/fixture congestion due to local lockdowns. If this season ever starts it's going to be a dogs dinner, but I guess we have to adjust expectations for one season (hopefully!) and be thankful if we do have some competitive football to watch, however that may be. Sad times.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 23, 2020 8:56:19 GMT
An emergency plan by the NL should have already been put in place. Yes fans were to be allowed back in at the start of October, but there was a good chance this wasn't going to last if infection rates increased as forecast during the winter months. Surely this has been looked at by the league, and a what if scenario was looked at if football at this level was going to be able to continue, and the season completed without fans being admitted. The NL have been terrible in terms of leadership right from the start of COVID. Local county leagues have done a better job than them.
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 23, 2020 8:59:14 GMT
My opinion is that the season must start with or without fans. Without meaningful games to watch and debate then I fear interest will wane and it will be a battle to get them to ever return. Not to mention the lads have been in training and playing pre season matches, so it would be a massive shame if all that was for nothing and effectively we have to start pre season again at an undefined point in time. Agree with the points above that it would be fantastic if the league could come up with a co-ordinated approach so that fans of all clubs have the right to access the same quality service for the same price etc. The thought of the club just bumbling along without playing games is just unthinkable and will be the death of us - at least with the money from streaming it will provide a revenue stream which is more than what we have now. I accept there may be a cost for setting up the platform but hopefully we can price games accordingly and I guess there may be savings to be made on matchdays to offset that such as no bills for stewarding/policing, reduced water/electricity use, programme printing etc. And despite all of the above being a huge headache, you also have to take into account testing and potential breaks/fixture congestion due to local lockdowns. If this season ever starts it's going to be a dogs dinner, but I guess we have to adjust expectations for one season (hopefully!) and be thankful if we do have some competitive football to watch, however that may be. Sad times. Streaming will not provide sufficient income for many clubs to be viable without significant external financial support from the Government or the FA. I am afraid what you are suggesting would be certain bankruptcy for Chester FC and a number of other clubs.
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Post by geoff on Sept 23, 2020 9:20:17 GMT
Some interesting statements in today’s Daily Telegraph and I quote:
With talks ongoing over the Premier League and EFL, ministers appearance to be closer to foot the bill for match-day revenue losses in rugby, racing, Women’s Super league football, MENS NATIONAL NON-LEAGUE FOOTBALL.......
Also in another article in the last full season of the National League all but 3 clubs made a loss.
Couldn’t agree more that the National League leadership is a disgrace.
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Post by Si on Sept 23, 2020 11:37:34 GMT
My opinion is that the season must start with or without fans. Without meaningful games to watch and debate then I fear interest will wane and it will be a battle to get them to ever return. Not to mention the lads have been in training and playing pre season matches, so it would be a massive shame if all that was for nothing and effectively we have to start pre season again at an undefined point in time. Agree with the points above that it would be fantastic if the league could come up with a co-ordinated approach so that fans of all clubs have the right to access the same quality service for the same price etc. The thought of the club just bumbling along without playing games is just unthinkable and will be the death of us - at least with the money from streaming it will provide a revenue stream which is more than what we have now. I accept there may be a cost for setting up the platform but hopefully we can price games accordingly and I guess there may be savings to be made on matchdays to offset that such as no bills for stewarding/policing, reduced water/electricity use, programme printing etc. And despite all of the above being a huge headache, you also have to take into account testing and potential breaks/fixture congestion due to local lockdowns. If this season ever starts it's going to be a dogs dinner, but I guess we have to adjust expectations for one season (hopefully!) and be thankful if we do have some competitive football to watch, however that may be. Sad times. Streaming will not provide sufficient income for many clubs to be viable without significant external financial support from the Government or the FA. I am afraid what you are suggesting would be certain bankruptcy for Chester FC and a number of other clubs. But what's the alternative? No games, which means no revenue at all? I just don't know how long Chester FC can survive without playing football matches, especially if there is no furlough scheme to put the players on because then we'll be incurring sizable staffing bills with an ever dwindling pot of money for it to derive from. With or without fans, I suspect we'll need to FA/Government assistance to cover the shortfall - hopefully calculated via a transparent methodology like previous year accounts showing matchday income to go with forecasting for potential streaming revenue. I think people who don't understand football or sport in general will be annoyed that the government are potentially propping clubs like ourselves up, but sport is the lifeblood of communities and the effects of a generation of people suffering lack of identity/connection and the economical downfalls of no sport would be hugely damaging, so the government really does need to step up and protect communities and the jobs involved in the game.
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Post by avfo on Sept 23, 2020 12:15:57 GMT
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 23, 2020 12:27:37 GMT
Streaming will not provide sufficient income for many clubs to be viable without significant external financial support from the Government or the FA. I am afraid what you are suggesting would be certain bankruptcy for Chester FC and a number of other clubs. But what's the alternative? No games, which means no revenue at all? I just don't know how long Chester FC can survive without playing football matches, especially if there is no furlough scheme to put the players on because then we'll be incurring sizable staffing bills with an ever dwindling pot of money for it to derive from. With or without fans, I suspect we'll need to FA/Government assistance to cover the shortfall - hopefully calculated via a transparent methodology like previous year accounts showing matchday income to go with forecasting for potential streaming revenue. I think people who don't understand football or sport in general will be annoyed that the government are potentially propping clubs like ourselves up, but sport is the lifeblood of communities and the effects of a generation of people suffering lack of identity/connection and the economical downfalls of no sport would be hugely damaging, so the government really does need to step up and protect communities and the jobs involved in the game. Alternative is to mothball everything for a season. Less expenditure than playing without crowds. Streaming won't raise enough to anywhere near cover ongoing costs. Only hope is a government hand out. NL board have been worse than useless so far. Can the clubs give them a vote of no confidence?
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Post by Lobster on Sept 23, 2020 13:27:16 GMT
From what I can gather clubs are pretty split and whether to start this season or not.
A lot depends on government support, and I'd imagine clubs like ours that make an effort to keep accounts and be sustainable are in a better position to qualify for assistance. I'm not surprised to read that Boreham Wood's chairman is insisting the season should go ahead.
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Post by avfo on Sept 23, 2020 14:10:49 GMT
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Post by eddieshead on Sept 23, 2020 15:04:16 GMT
This season should not start till it is safe for fans to go into stadiums safely with no fear of catching a killer disease. Also for the safety of the players and officals
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Post by agl on Sept 23, 2020 16:04:18 GMT
This season should not start till it is safe for fans to go into stadiums safely with no fear of catching a killer disease. Also for the safety of the players and officals I know photo angles can be deceptive but it didn't look like there was much, if any, social distancing in place at VM last night. People appeared to be standing shoulder to shoulder around the pitch perimeter. It's actually easier to organise in better grounds where you have graded terracing. Anyone who was there last night able to elaborate? The problem is that when you are in familiar surroundings, old habits kick in.
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 23, 2020 16:12:34 GMT
Streaming will not provide sufficient income for many clubs to be viable without significant external financial support from the Government or the FA. I am afraid what you are suggesting would be certain bankruptcy for Chester FC and a number of other clubs. But what's the alternative? No games, which means no revenue at all? I just don't know how long Chester FC can survive without playing football matches, especially if there is no furlough scheme to put the players on because then we'll be incurring sizable staffing bills with an ever dwindling pot of money for it to derive from. With or without fans, I suspect we'll need to FA/Government assistance to cover the shortfall - hopefully calculated via a transparent methodology like previous year accounts showing matchday income to go with forecasting for potential streaming revenue. I think people who don't understand football or sport in general will be annoyed that the government are potentially propping clubs like ourselves up, but sport is the lifeblood of communities and the effects of a generation of people suffering lack of identity/connection and the economical downfalls of no sport would be hugely damaging, so the government really does need to step up and protect communities and the jobs involved in the game. My concern is that the idea takes root that we can play without fans and streaming will provide sufficient income. That is the argument supported by Boreham Wood and Stockport County. One does not have any fans and the other thanks to having a sugar daddy owner does not need any, so fans are not an essential part of the business model for those clubs. I am also afraid 600 fans being allowed in would not keep us afloat either. If we are to start playing we need external financial support with possibly a mixture of fans attending plus streaming. These things need to be agreed now as delay or false optimism will not end well for us or other clubs in my opinion.
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Post by rcb on Sept 23, 2020 17:48:15 GMT
I have no idea about terms and clauses in contracts, be that for playing or non playing staff, or whether this season has significantly reduced wages either. As things stand, I am sure we will go bust if this season’s contracts are anywhere near last seasons. I’ve seen a suggestion about freezing this season. I doubt we can freeze the ageing process of our older players. It may well transpire that we start with no fans and can only pay expenses, at most. Any club that has signed players up on contracts similar to last season deserve all they get. We have to live within our means and if that means playing for nothing, or managing for nothing then so be it. As I said to begin with, I have no idea of contract terms so don’t know what options we have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 17:57:15 GMT
I have no idea about terms and clauses in contracts, be that for playing or non playing staff, or whether this season has significantly reduced wages either. As things stand, I am sure we will go bust if this season’s contracts are anywhere near last seasons. I’ve seen a suggestion about freezing this season. I doubt we can freeze the ageing process of our older players. It may well transpire that we start with no fans and can only pay expenses, at most. Any club that has signed players up on contracts similar to last season deserve all they get. We have to live within our means and if that means playing for nothing, or managing for nothing then so be it. As I said to begin with, I have no idea of contract terms so don’t know what options we have. If that’s the case and it gets to a point where we can’t pay people then the club would have to resign from the level we’re competing at and ask the FA to put us in at a lower level where the above can happen. You did read the piece that chairman did today that stated there was clauses in their contracts didn’t you?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 23, 2020 17:58:14 GMT
Excellent measured response.
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Post by MPW on Sept 23, 2020 18:14:58 GMT
If the NL cannot be reclassified from being Elite Sport level (which could have longer term implications of its own), then I can’t see any other viable option than starting the season without fans in attendance and steaming the matches online. Season ticket holders would have to have be given access to the streaming service anyway, so we’d have to hope that any floating fans and away fans would pay to view matches online. The streaming service would have to be setup in a way to avoid fans sharing the live stream too.
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Post by rcb on Sept 23, 2020 18:24:10 GMT
I have no idea about terms and clauses in contracts, be that for playing or non playing staff, or whether this season has significantly reduced wages either. As things stand, I am sure we will go bust if this season’s contracts are anywhere near last seasons. I’ve seen a suggestion about freezing this season. I doubt we can freeze the ageing process of our older players. It may well transpire that we start with no fans and can only pay expenses, at most. Any club that has signed players up on contracts similar to last season deserve all they get. We have to live within our means and if that means playing for nothing, or managing for nothing then so be it. As I said to begin with, I have no idea of contract terms so don’t know what options we have. If that’s the case and it gets to a point where we can’t pay people then the club would have to resign from the level we’re competing at and ask the FA to put us in at a lower level where the above can happen. You did read the piece that chairman did today that stated there was clauses in their contracts didn’t you?No, I’ve been out all day.
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 23, 2020 18:28:46 GMT
Excellent measured response. For clarity as I understand it Covid clauses mean that players will not get paid if there is no football. If matches are played and streamed those players will get paid in full. Contracts signed before March will obviously not have those clauses in them.
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Post by rcb on Sept 23, 2020 19:36:50 GMT
September 18th. Forever Blue - “I want to make this clear my frustration comes from the fact that any related player information should be released by the club first and not by the local press, end off.” I’m interested in your view of Andrew Morris’ interview release in the local press, rather than by the club first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 19:44:17 GMT
September 18th. Forever Blue - “I want to make this clear my frustration comes from the fact that any related player information should be released by the club first and not by the local press, end off.” I’m interested in your view of Andrew Morris’ interview release in the local press, rather than by the club first. Don’t start mate
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Post by lincolnexile on Sept 24, 2020 7:04:51 GMT
Today’s National League meeting will no doubt result in whether to start being put to a club vote. This will no doubt take the same form as the previous vote regarding ending last season. This would mean one vote each for each National League Premier club and a couple of votes shared between North and South clubs. So Ryan Reynolds Fc get to decide our future. If the decision is made to ask the government for £20m, to be shared between the clubs, in order to start the season without supporters, and the government agrees. Who decides what proportion goes to North and South club?, Let me guess, they’ll have a vote where National League Premier clubs will get one vote each and we’ll get one tenth of a vote. Let’s face it our future is in the hands of our friends up the road. MARVELlous.
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