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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 24, 2020 9:13:56 GMT
This season should not start till it is safe for fans to go into stadiums safely with no fear of catching a killer disease. Also for the safety of the players and officals I know photo angles can be deceptive but it didn't look like there was much, if any, social distancing in place at VM last night. People appeared to be standing shoulder to shoulder around the pitch perimeter. It's actually easier to organise in better grounds where you have graded terracing. Anyone who was there last night able to elaborate? The problem is that when you are in familiar surroundings, old habits kick in. Photo from one of the FA Cup games the other night - plenty of space behind the goal, but again everyone stood together to the right of the goal with no social distancing.
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 24, 2020 10:27:28 GMT
Today’s National League meeting will no doubt result in whether to start being put to a club vote. This will no doubt take the same form as the previous vote regarding ending last season. This would mean one vote each for each National League Premier club and a couple of votes shared between North and South clubs. So Ryan Reynolds Fc get to decide our future. If the decision is made to ask the government for £20m, to be shared between the clubs, in order to start the season without supporters, and the government agrees. Who decides what proportion goes to North and South club?, Let me guess, they’ll have a vote where National League Premier clubs will get one vote each and we’ll get one tenth of a vote. Let’s face it our future is in the hands of our friends up the road. MARVELlous. You make an excellent point about the National League. Not only is it incompetent but undemocratic as well. The problem with the Ryan Reynolds FC of this world is that they undermine the argument for Government support. I am sure they and the likes of Stockport will be happy to start the season and see other clubs go to the wall as they desperately try and make streaming a viable option. With around £5 of a £10 fee going to the club from streaming we would need 2,500 to 3,000 per match including season ticket holders to balance the books. Can anybody see us getting that many ?
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Post by rcb on Sept 24, 2020 10:58:39 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 24, 2020 11:51:09 GMT
What happened is the National League and some of its member clubs fought tooth and nail with the government and FA to be classed as “elite football” in order to stage the playoffs at the end of last season (as opposed to just finishing the season with either Kings Lynn only or Kings Lynn and York promoted from our league).
Now the “elite football” classification they fought so hard for just to get the playoffs done is the league’s undoing as we are left in limbo without the financial support the PL and EFL have (particularly with streaming matches etc) and also without the ability to stage matches with crowds as per the leagues below us.
Fast getting the feeling we should write this season off, shelve the football for a year and ensure we continue fundraising as we did this summer during lockdown to keep the club in business.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 24, 2020 12:06:20 GMT
Statement from National North Clubs link
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Post by Churton Blue on Sept 24, 2020 12:32:30 GMT
Statement from National North Clubs linkVery pleased to see clubs acting together with a united voice.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 24, 2020 12:48:13 GMT
Statement from National North Clubs linkYork a notable ommission from that list.
The clubs that don't budget properly and throw money about are probably the ones that want the season to go ahead as "normal"
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Post by avfo on Sept 24, 2020 13:15:09 GMT
Statement from National North Clubs linkYork a notable ommission from that list.
The clubs that don't budget properly and throw money about are probably the ones that want the season to go ahead as "normal"
'York City Football Club has contacted the National League to confirm that we support starting the season as planned. We realise that this does not align with the stance of all clubs in the league, however every club's situation is unique and individual decisions must be taken in these extreme circumstances. For York City, it is in our best interests to start the season as scheduled behind closed doors as outlined by the government, put out our newly formed squad who are under contract and have undertaken pre-season training, engage with our fans and try to create some much needed income for the club. ' To me that suggests their players will have to be paid in full, irrespective of the season starting or not.
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Post by superhans on Sept 24, 2020 13:46:50 GMT
As I've feared for some time, I can't see our season starting. Saw plenty of managers saying it across the EFL last week that finally allowing fans into grounds now when the threat of a second lockdown looms is bonkers.
I know there's talk of some sort of funding to make up for the shortfall of lost revenue, but even if that did happen there's no way it would be enough to sustain clubs for months.
Hats off to the club for acting responsibly and being transparent through all of this, I fear for many clubs and I hope our shrewdness leaves us in a better position than most.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 24, 2020 14:13:25 GMT
York a notable ommission from that list.
The clubs that don't budget properly and throw money about are probably the ones that want the season to go ahead as "normal"
'York City Football Club has contacted the National League to confirm that we support starting the season as planned. We realise that this does not align with the stance of all clubs in the league, however every club's situation is unique and individual decisions must be taken in these extreme circumstances. For York City, it is in our best interests to start the season as scheduled behind closed doors as outlined by the government, put out our newly formed squad who are under contract and have undertaken pre-season training, engage with our fans and try to create some much needed income for the club. ' To me that suggests their players will have to be paid in full, irrespective of the season starting or not. Agree, it's the ones who've overcommitted and taken risks who want it to go ahead. Boreham Wood's chairman is another.
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Post by prodigal on Sept 24, 2020 15:37:54 GMT
Think this could be the beginnings of the end of the National League as we know it, the levels, (5/6) are not fit for purpose, with most clubs failing to run successful, 'professional' businesses without significant 'lost cause' investments from their wealthy owners. Now we all find ourselves between a rock and a hard place due to the Covid restrictions, neither truly 'elite' nor truly 'grass roots'.
Think we will end up back at the old system, where below EFL level, there is a Northern,Southern and Midlands premier each maybe promoting 1 club to EFL 2, wages will be capped to make them essentially part time leagues with much less financial liability, these leagues would be seen as the pinnacle of the non-league game, not just a stepping stone to the EFL, and some clubs may even decline promotion. EFL Should be for clubs who can afford to play football as a business not an aspiration for every football club with a couple of million to waste or who manage to get it right on the pitch at a lower level for a couple of seasons.
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 24, 2020 17:12:39 GMT
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Post by avfo on Sept 24, 2020 17:19:08 GMT
Statement from NL -
Following a meeting of its Board of Directors this afternoon, the following update is issued on behalf of The National League…
In recognition of the financial uncertainty facing its member clubs, The National League is actively engaged with Government, with the assistance of The Football Association, to secure a critical financial support package, and it is hoped this can be announced very soon.
It is imperative the revenue shortfall caused by the pause to the safe return of spectators is responsibly addressed so each club can operate sustainably over the course of the forthcoming season.
The National League has currently set the start date of the 2020/21 season as 3 October, which is when Vanarama National League clubs are due to play their first league match and Vanarama National League North and Vanarama National League South clubs are involved in the Second Qualifying of The FA Cup.
The National League is the FA affiliated governing body for football clubs who play in the fifth and sixth tiers of the English league pyramid system. It comprises 67 professional and semi-professional football clubs organised into 3 divisions: the Vanarama National League, Vanarama National League North and Vanarama National League South.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 24, 2020 17:27:16 GMT
Statement from NL - Following a meeting of its Board of Directors this afternoon, the following update is issued on behalf of The National League… In recognition of the financial uncertainty facing its member clubs, The National League is actively engaged with Government, with the assistance of The Football Association, to secure a critical financial support package, and it is hoped this can be announced very soon. It is imperative the revenue shortfall caused by the pause to the safe return of spectators is responsibly addressed so each club can operate sustainably over the course of the forthcoming season. The National League has currently set the start date of the 2020/21 season as 3 October, which is when Vanarama National League clubs are due to play their first league match and Vanarama National League North and Vanarama National League South clubs are involved in the Second Qualifying of The FA Cup. The National League is the FA affiliated governing body for football clubs who play in the fifth and sixth tiers of the English league pyramid system. It comprises 67 professional and semi-professional football clubs organised into 3 divisions: the Vanarama National League, Vanarama National League North and Vanarama National League South. Well thats a load of nothing
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Post by mcseal on Sept 24, 2020 17:37:12 GMT
I see some talk of the NL being given £1m per month subsidy by Govenment so if that's the case, how will it be split up between the clubs?
Bet the National League clubs get the lions share - Something like £600,000 split between the 24 National League clubs (£25k each per month) and £400,000 to the 43 NLN and NLS clubs (£9,302 each per month).
Think I'd prefer to see something where the split is based on last season's average attendances.
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Post by devadiva on Sept 24, 2020 18:00:40 GMT
We need a cash injection by a Hollywood star (it’s all the rage these days, apparently). Come on Daniel Craig - step up to the plate 😉🙏
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Sept 24, 2020 18:12:35 GMT
We need a cash injection by a Hollywood star (it’s all the rage these days, apparently). Come on Daniel Craig - step up to the plate 😉🙏 Once we get back into a league with squad numbers we can retire the 007 shirt in his honour
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Post by Suomen Sininen on Sept 24, 2020 19:30:46 GMT
We need a cash injection by a Hollywood star (it’s all the rage these days, apparently). Come on Daniel Craig - step up to the plate 😉🙏 Does Mr Reynold's have a nemesis? Some other rich actor who can't stand him? We could email/twitter/insta him/her and get a non-league challenge going?
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 24, 2020 19:36:18 GMT
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Post by Suomen Sininen on Sept 24, 2020 19:58:52 GMT
Sorry, this hadn't reached the Finnish news agencies yet!y Joking aside, have any CFC fans tagged Mr Jackman in on this?
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 24, 2020 20:09:45 GMT
Sorry, this hadn't reached the Finnish news agencies yet!y Joking aside, have any CFC fans tagged Mr Jackman in on this? Must be in the hundreds now over on twitter - not just Chester fans calling for it either. One can dream!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 25, 2020 5:53:24 GMT
What happened is the National League and some of its member clubs fought tooth and nail with the government and FA to be classed as “elite football” in order to stage the playoffs at the end of last season (as opposed to just finishing the season with either Kings Lynn only or Kings Lynn and York promoted from our league). Now the “elite football” classification they fought so hard for just to get the playoffs done is the league’s undoing as we are left in limbo without the financial support the PL and EFL have (particularly with streaming matches etc) and also without the ability to stage matches with crowds as per the leagues below us. Fast getting the feeling we should write this season off, shelve the football for a year and ensure we continue fundraising as we did this summer during lockdown to keep the club in business. Looks likely that North and South will be taken off “elite” status, which would allow for crowds as per the leagues below. We only wanted to be “elite” to play in the playoffs - having our cake and eating it.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 25, 2020 6:21:36 GMT
Just a thought. If the pandemic has a seasonality element to it why not try to play the season out during the Summer months, when the virus tends to drop off sharply? Also, there was a good article in the Guardian, that says sport needs to use the pandemic as a force for change and if there is a bailout the Premier League and the Championship should not be part of it.(with their broadcasting deals and obscene salaries) It might br that anything below the FL is regionalised and semi pro. Football needs to tske a good look at itself re: how its organised with supporters put centre stage. How could proper streaming services be introduced and marketed on a whole league basis, especially for away games.erc
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Post by chesterken on Sept 25, 2020 7:20:55 GMT
What happened is the National League and some of its member clubs fought tooth and nail with the government and FA to be classed as “elite football” in order to stage the playoffs at the end of last season (as opposed to just finishing the season with either Kings Lynn only or Kings Lynn and York promoted from our league). Now the “elite football” classification they fought so hard for just to get the playoffs done is the league’s undoing as we are left in limbo without the financial support the PL and EFL have (particularly with streaming matches etc) and also without the ability to stage matches with crowds as per the leagues below us. Fast getting the feeling we should write this season off, shelve the football for a year and ensure we continue fundraising as we did this summer during lockdown to keep the club in business. Looks likely that North and South will be taken off “elite” status, which would allow for crowds as per the leagues below. We only wanted to be “elite” to play in the playoffs - having our cake and eating it. I do think York had a big roll in getting us classed as elite because only Kings Lynn would have gone up as Champions if the playoffs had not taken place, they tried it again over the vote to start the season being I think the only club in the NLN to want the league started without fans.
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Post by devadiva on Sept 25, 2020 7:49:26 GMT
Radio 4 briefly mentioned this morning that the National League is likely to start as planned without crowds. So it looks like the NL will overrule NLN and NLS on this....hardly surprising when the votes are shared out in such an inequitable way ☹️
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 25, 2020 9:11:36 GMT
Radio 4 briefly mentioned this morning that the National League is likely to start as planned without crowds. So it looks like the NL will overrule NLN and NLS on this....hardly surprising when the votes are shared out in such an inequitable way ☹️ Senseless. And they will be the first to hold their hands out, when it evitably goes tits up.
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Post by g1 on Sept 25, 2020 12:38:16 GMT
Radio 4 briefly mentioned this morning that the National League is likely to start as planned without crowds. So it looks like the NL will overrule NLN and NLS on this....hardly surprising when the votes are shared out in such an inequitable way ☹️ if that happens barwick who is inept anyway has to resign now he can't overrule another league
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Post by g1 on Sept 25, 2020 12:40:14 GMT
What happened is the National League and some of its member clubs fought tooth and nail with the government and FA to be classed as “elite football” in order to stage the playoffs at the end of last season (as opposed to just finishing the season with either Kings Lynn only or Kings Lynn and York promoted from our league). Now the “elite football” classification they fought so hard for just to get the playoffs done is the league’s undoing as we are left in limbo without the financial support the PL and EFL have (particularly with streaming matches etc) and also without the ability to stage matches with crowds as per the leagues below us. Fast getting the feeling we should write this season off, shelve the football for a year and ensure we continue fundraising as we did this summer during lockdown to keep the club in business. Looks likely that North and South will be taken off “elite” status, which would allow for crowds as per the leagues below. We only wanted to be “elite” to play in the playoffs - having our cake and eating it. that's where the nln doesn't help itself
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Post by scotty on Sept 25, 2020 14:18:31 GMT
Starting without fans or financial support is a death sentence. We may be better off suspending league membership, if possible, and mothballing the club for a year.
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Post by avfo on Sept 25, 2020 22:07:10 GMT
Seems that one of Gloucester's co-owners believes that any financial help from the Government would likely be based on a formula using previous seasons income. Not good news for them if true, as next seasons budget was based on a significant increase to their income due to their move back home from Evesham.
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