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Post by Captain Duff on Oct 11, 2020 19:44:34 GMT
The Big Picture, aka a select group of Premiership clubs trying to further weaken the pyramid, pull the ladder up, and avoid times when they might have to play lower league clubs in cup competitions. Nine clubs given 'special status' and to be able to then make rules and decisions that suit them (with only six needed to push them through). I despise those greedy bastards even more than previously with this proposal: The Big Picture
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Post by devadiva on Oct 11, 2020 21:02:27 GMT
This has to be right, doesn’t it (from bbc sport):
The Department for Culture, Media and Sport condemned what it called a "backroom deal"....
"We are surprised and disappointed that at a time of crisis when we have urged the top tiers of professional football to come together and finalise a deal to help lower league clubs, there appear to be backroom deals being cooked up that would create a closed shop at the very top of the game," a DCMS spokesperson said.
"Sustainability, integrity and fair competition are absolutely paramount and anything that may undermine them is deeply troubling. Fans must be front of all our minds, and this shows why our fan led review of football governance will be so critical."
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Post by avfo on Oct 11, 2020 21:06:38 GMT
The Big Picture, aka a select group of Premiership clubs trying to further weaken the pyramid, pull the ladder up, and avoid times when they might have to play lower league clubs in cup competitions. Nine clubs given 'special status' and to be able to then make rules and decisions that suit them (with only six needed to push them through). I despise those greedy bastards even more than previously with this proposal: The Big Picture
'the now-leaked plans for how the longest-standing members of the Premier League intend to exchange putting much-needed money into the EFL now for seizing control of the professional game in perpetuity, should be seen for what it truly is. It’s the mother of all land grabs, a flagrant plan to perpetually tilt the scales still further towards preserving the positions of the currently wealthiest clubs.' twohundredpercent.net/rick-parry-megaclubs/
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 12, 2020 7:59:52 GMT
FSA Statement: Response to media reports on “Project Big Picture”
Posted on 11th October 2020
Earlier today it was reported that clubs at the top of the Premier League had been planning in secret to pursue a wide-ranging restructure of the English footballing pyramid named “Project Big Picture”. Below is an initial statement of response from the Football Supporters’ Association.
We will be providing further updates on the issue in the coming weeks once we have had the chance to digest the details of these proposals further:
“The Football Supporters’ Association notes with grave concern today’s press reports of proposals for a major restructure of the Premier League, with far-reaching consequences for the whole of domestic football.
“Once again it appears that big decisions in football are apparently being stitched up behind our backs by billionaire club owners who continue to treat football as their personal fiefdom. Football is far more than a business to be carved up; it is part of our communities and our heritage, and football fans are its lifeblood. As football’s most important stakeholders, it is crucial that fans are consulted and involved in the game’s decision-making.
“We have welcomed the government’s commitment to a ‘fan-led review of the governance of football’; we would argue that today’s revelations have made that process even more relevant and urgent.
“We will of course study the detail of the new proposals, we remain open-minded to any suggestions for the improvement of the governance and organisation of the game, whatever their source, and we will continue to engage constructively in all discussions around reform. We would however emphasise that in our discussions so far, very few of our members have ever expressed the view that what football really needs is a greater concentration of power in the hands of the big six billionaire-owned clubs.”
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Post by devadiva on Oct 12, 2020 8:38:09 GMT
They had boss of the EFL on Radio 4 this morning extolling the virtues of this. What a fool. This has land grab/Americanisation of our national sport written all over it.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 12, 2020 8:45:11 GMT
It's shocking. Makes me hope one of the big fat cats in the Premier League suffers a Leeds or Rangers-style crash.
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Post by devadiva on Oct 12, 2020 9:24:23 GMT
It's shocking. Makes me hope one of the big fat cats in the Premier League suffers a Leeds or Rangers-style crash. The problem is that what is being proposed is designed to stop this happening. That’s why it’s so wrong.
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Post by waggoner on Oct 12, 2020 9:25:45 GMT
The Big Picture, aka a select group of Premiership clubs trying to further weaken the pyramid, pull the ladder up, and avoid times when they might have to play lower league clubs in cup competitions. Nine clubs given 'special status' and to be able to then make rules and decisions that suit them (with only six needed to push them through). I despise those greedy bastards even more than previously with this proposal: The Big Picture
Doing if to help smaller clubs my a**e. Nobody in the premier league gives a toss about smaller clubs. It's all about looking after number one this 'project big picture' All they are doing is taking over football in this country. They are not helping the smaller clubs at all, they are shutting the door on them. We have the FA cup going into penalty kicks without extra time or replays. They want rid of the league cup, charity shield. Won't be long before they target the FA cup as a sort of 'Premiership cup' well the PL is the FA PREMIER LEAGUE after all. This Project big picture is only going to be the start of it. They will want to make more changes further down the line with the threat of 'well if you don't toe the line we will just stop giving you cash' So with all of this 2 clubs in the PL must get booted out to take it down to 18 teams. If this is what they want, and it's such a great idea i have an idea. How about Liverpool and Man U volunteering to be the ones to take the drop as a sort of 'fair play' gesture? These two are after all trying to dump someone out of the premier league.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Oct 12, 2020 10:25:50 GMT
A great article by Martin Samuel in the DM today exposes this plan for what it really is.
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Post by superman on Oct 12, 2020 10:29:10 GMT
What this has done is hopefully kick start the debate about the clear need to restructure football in England. Arguably both financial and league restructuring are needed including the return to regionalisation in EFL2 and possibly EFL1. The government proposal for a fan led review of football governance, presumably with the fans represented by the FSA, will be protracted and without the collective endorsement of the FA, PL, EFL, and PFA unlikely to bring about the radical reforms needed. There are too many vested interests. Whilst this proposal smacks of a desire to take control, at least it is a starter. How any changes would impact on the National League we can only speculate. There is more than enough self interest displayed even at our level to suggest a collective agreement throughout what is termed elite football will be tough to reach.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 12, 2020 11:07:54 GMT
A great article by Martin Samuel in the DM today exposes this plan for what it really is. An oxymoron, surely?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 12, 2020 11:10:02 GMT
A great article by Martin Samuel in the DM today exposes this plan for what it really is. An oxymoron, surely? Probably blamed foreign immigrant owners. Which is true, to a point. Agree with the general shock and disappointment over these plans, the top clubs attempting to tighten their stranglehold on the game in this country. Interesting to see the PL board come out against the proposals.
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Post by histsci on Oct 12, 2020 11:49:06 GMT
A great article by Martin Samuel in the DM today exposes this plan for what it really is. An oxymoron, surely? It's not an oxymoron - that's when two words next to each other contradict (i.e. big small Chester (as another way of saying 'Chester are big for this level')). I'd agree it's a contradiction though.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 12, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
It's not an oxymoron - that's when two words next to each other contradict (i.e. big small Chester (as another way of saying 'Chester are big for this level')). I'd agree it's a contradiction though. Fair point. I'm the oxy-moron, then.
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Post by g1 on Oct 12, 2020 12:18:48 GMT
Only thing I agree with is getting rid of the charity shield agreed on that but the rest is nonsense I can there being a British cup to replace the EFL cup with rangers and Celtic playing in it
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Post by g1 on Oct 12, 2020 12:20:48 GMT
What this has done is hopefully kick start the debate about the clear need to restructure football in England. Arguably both financial and league restructuring are needed including the return to regionalisation in EFL2 and possibly EFL1. The government proposal for a fan led review of football governance, presumably with the fans represented by the FSA, will be protracted and without the collective endorsement of the FA, PL, EFL, and PFA unlikely to bring about the radical reforms needed. There are too many vested interests. Whilst this proposal smacks of a desire to take control, at least it is a starter. How any changes would impact on the National League we can only speculate. There is more than enough self interest displayed even at our level to suggest a collective agreement throughout what is termed elite football will be tough to reach. agreed to an extent but what happens if you do regionalise the leagues what if more northern than southern teams and vice versa still have southern teams playing northern teams
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 12, 2020 12:30:40 GMT
What this has done is hopefully kick start the debate about the clear need to restructure football in England. Arguably both financial and league restructuring are needed including the return to regionalisation in EFL2 and possibly EFL1. The government proposal for a fan led review of football governance, presumably with the fans represented by the FSA, will be protracted and without the collective endorsement of the FA, PL, EFL, and PFA unlikely to bring about the radical reforms needed. There are too many vested interests. Whilst this proposal smacks of a desire to take control, at least it is a starter. How any changes would impact on the National League we can only speculate. There is more than enough self interest displayed even at our level to suggest a collective agreement throughout what is termed elite football will be tough to reach. agreed to an extent but what happens if you do regionalise the leagues what if more northern than southern teams and vice versa still have southern teams playing northern teams same as with us I suppose based on geographical location
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 12:33:33 GMT
I've got a sneaking feeling that this might just have legs if only because of the immense power of the Big Six and the fact that ££££ signs might just light up the eyes of a few EFL clubs especially in the current climate. Horribly opportunistic of those PL outfits which I hope does not come to fruition (although as I say above it may well do). If it does, then I fear we'll be in serious "told you so" territory in a few years time but by then, of course, it'll be too late.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Oct 12, 2020 12:33:46 GMT
They had boss of the EFL on Radio 4 this morning extolling the virtues of this. What a fool. This has land grab/Americanisation of our national sport written all over it. Parry looks nothing more than an Elite club plant in all of this
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Post by happyclapper on Oct 12, 2020 13:04:12 GMT
They had boss of the EFL on Radio 4 this morning extolling the virtues of this. What a fool. This has land grab/Americanisation of our national sport written all over it. Parry looks nothing more than an Elite club plant in all of this Of course he is, Ex Liverpool Chief Executive and was the first CEO of the Premier League.
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Post by prodigal on Oct 12, 2020 13:18:20 GMT
What this has done is hopefully kick start the debate about the clear need to restructure football in England. Arguably both financial and league restructuring are needed including the return to regionalisation in EFL2 and possibly EFL1. The government proposal for a fan led review of football governance, presumably with the fans represented by the FSA, will be protracted and without the collective endorsement of the FA, PL, EFL, and PFA unlikely to bring about the radical reforms needed. There are too many vested interests. Whilst this proposal smacks of a desire to take control, at least it is a starter. How any changes would impact on the National League we can only speculate. There is more than enough self interest displayed even at our level to suggest a collective agreement throughout what is termed elite football will be tough to reach. agreed to an extent but what happens if you do regionalise the leagues what if more northern than southern teams and vice versa still have southern teams playing northern teams Agree will both the above,well put though Superman!
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Post by waggoner on Oct 12, 2020 13:27:52 GMT
The Big Picture, aka a select group of Premiership clubs trying to further weaken the pyramid, pull the ladder up, and avoid times when they might have to play lower league clubs in cup competitions. Nine clubs given 'special status' and to be able to then make rules and decisions that suit them (with only six needed to push them through). I despise those greedy bastards even more than previously with this proposal: The Big Picture
'the now-leaked plans for how the longest-standing members of the Premier League intend to exchange putting much-needed money into the EFL now for seizing control of the professional game in perpetuity, should be seen for what it truly is. It’s the mother of all land grabs, a flagrant plan to perpetually tilt the scales still further towards preserving the positions of the currently wealthiest clubs.' twohundredpercent.net/rick-parry-megaclubs/I am sure i read that Man U and Liverpool were in discussions about this a couple of years ago. This is before Covid hit! They are just taking advantage of the situation now. It stinks!!
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Post by Hoff Side on Oct 12, 2020 14:17:51 GMT
Less teams in Premier League, No League cup, No Community shield = Less Games = More time for lucrative friendlies in States & China £££££
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 12, 2020 14:37:22 GMT
Less teams in Premier League, No League cup, No Community shield = Less Games = More time for lucrative friendlies in States & China £££££ The league cup could become the EFL equivalent of the FA cup without premiershite teams and every club boycott the FA cup just let the premiershite play in it. Its time to stand up to these w*nkers
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 12, 2020 15:09:13 GMT
Less teams in Premier League, No League cup, No Community shield = Less Games = More time for lucrative friendlies in States & China £££££ The league cup could become the EFL equivalent of the FA cup without premiershite teams and every club boycott the FA cup just let the premiershite play in it. Its time to stand up to these w*nkers How would a club like us boycotting the FA Cup in any way stand up to the Premier League? Your proposal that the FA Cup should only be for PL clubs and the EFL Cup only for EFL clubs would kill lower and non-league football quicker than the Big Six’s own proposals.
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Post by highpeakblue on Oct 12, 2020 15:15:11 GMT
Maybe they could give up their Champion's League places to free up time in their busy schedules.
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Post by prodigal on Oct 12, 2020 15:20:08 GMT
The league cup could become the EFL equivalent of the FA cup without premiershite teams and every club boycott the FA cup just let the premiershite play in it. Its time to stand up to these w*nkers How would a club like us boycotting the FA Cup in any way stand up to the Premier League? Your proposal that the FA Cup should only be for PL clubs and the EFL Cup only for EFL clubs would kill lower and non-league football quicker than the Big Six’s own proposals. Because if they won it. it would be a worthless PremierShite trophy if the ELF boycotted it, be even funnier if our level did the same, but everyone below entered! F A Cup 5th round proper Arsenal V South Shields!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 12, 2020 15:23:11 GMT
The league cup could become the EFL equivalent of the FA cup without premiershite teams and every club boycott the FA cup just let the premiershite play in it. Its time to stand up to these w*nkers How would a club like us boycotting the FA Cup in any way stand up to the Premier League? Your proposal that the FA Cup should only be for PL clubs and the EFL Cup only for EFL clubs would kill lower and non-league football quicker than the Big Six’s own proposals. Every club means EVERY club outside the PL which leaves only 20 clubs in the FA cup what a massive money earner for the FA that would be
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 12, 2020 15:31:50 GMT
How would a club like us boycotting the FA Cup in any way stand up to the Premier League? Your proposal that the FA Cup should only be for PL clubs and the EFL Cup only for EFL clubs would kill lower and non-league football quicker than the Big Six’s own proposals. Every club means EVERY club outside the PL which leaves only 20 clubs in the FA cup what a massive money earner for the FA that would be A trip to Old Trafford/Anfield would set us up for years, so I’m afraid I’d have to respectfully disagree with you.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 12, 2020 15:41:01 GMT
Every club means EVERY club outside the PL which leaves only 20 clubs in the FA cup what a massive money earner for the FA that would be A trip to Old Trafford/Anfield would set us up for years, so I’m afraid I’d have to respectfully disagree with you. I cant disagree with that statement I'm astounded you are on the side of billionaires though
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