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Post by The Angry Agenda on Oct 21, 2020 10:55:56 GMT
Seems to me as if all the submitted finance figures have just been completely whitewashed. Need to make a big song and dance about this. Singing and dancing is only appreciated by those who have the ability to look and listen and then judge fairly
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Post by bing on Oct 21, 2020 11:00:02 GMT
It should be done purely on the money lost from gate receipts, food/drink sales etc, i.e. the money that the no-fans restrictions are causing us to lose. Nothing else should come in to it.
Clubs living beyond their means will be loving this as they will be making more money from it than they would have done if fans were allowed in! Madness, a completely lazy approach from the NL who are becoming more and more incompetent throughout the pandemic. A totally unfair way of distributing the funds, how these clowns are allowed to run a league I don't know.
What a ridiculous idea - far too sensible!!! It seems to me that the disparity between National League and National League North is ridiculously out of kilter. As you say, this was meant to cover lost revenue from fans, so surely this should have been very easy to disseminate based on previous average attendances?
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Post by livinginhope on Oct 21, 2020 11:04:00 GMT
It should be done purely on the money lost from gate receipts, food/drink sales etc, i.e. the money that the no-fans restrictions are causing us to lose. Nothing else should come in to it.
Clubs living beyond their means will be loving this as they will be making more money from it than they would have done if fans were allowed in! Madness, a completely lazy approach from the NL who are becoming more and more incompetent throughout the pandemic. A totally unfair way of distributing the funds, how these clowns are allowed to run a league I don't know.
What a ridiculous idea - far too sensible!!! It seems to me that the disparity between National League and National League North is ridiculously out of kilter. As you say, this was meant to cover lost revenue from fans, so surely this should have been very easy to disseminate based on previous average attendances?
Exactly, especially as they made the clubs do the work themselves with calculating how much money they're losing, which they seem to have completely disregarded! I despair.
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Post by avfo on Oct 21, 2020 11:30:04 GMT
That is an absolute disgrace! Why ask clubs for detailed figures for what they have lost in matchday income then completely ignore it? So, Curzon Ashton (av attendance 376) are losing lets say for 2 home games in a month (2 x 376 x say £15 per person) £11,280 and get a £30,000 cheque. We (av attendance 2019) lose 2 games x 2019 x say £15 per person = £60,570 and get a cheque for £36,000 Don't even get me started on Boreham Wood losing 2 x 700 x £15 = £21,000 and getting £84,000. The whole thing is corrupt. Ever wondered which MP represents the borough and happens to be pally with Danny Hunter? A couple of clues - his first name is Oliver and his surname is Dowden
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Post by cfc1885 on Oct 21, 2020 11:30:12 GMT
National league officials proving yet again why they’re not fit to run this league...
Said it before said it again they need to resign it’s seriously embarrassing
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 21, 2020 11:35:57 GMT
That is an absolute disgrace! Why ask clubs for detailed figures for what they have lost in matchday income then completely ignore it? So, Curzon Ashton (av attendance 376) are losing lets say for 2 home games in a month (2 x 376 x say £15 per person) £11,280 and get a £30,000 cheque. We (av attendance 2019) lose 2 games x 2019 x say £15 per person = £60,570 and get a cheque for £36,000 Don't even get me started on Boreham Wood losing 2 x 700 x £15 = £21,000 and getting £84,000. The whole thing is corrupt. Ever wondered which MP represents the borough and happens to be pally with Danny Hunter? A couple of clues - his first name is Oliver and his surname is Dowden Now the corruption makes sense.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 21, 2020 11:40:36 GMT
That is an absolute disgrace! Why ask clubs for detailed figures for what they have lost in matchday income then completely ignore it? So, Curzon Ashton (av attendance 376) are losing lets say for 2 home games in a month (2 x 376 x say £15 per person) £11,280 and get a £30,000 cheque. We (av attendance 2019) lose 2 games x 2019 x say £15 per person = £60,570 and get a cheque for £36,000 Don't even get me started on Boreham Wood losing 2 x 700 x £15 = £21,000 and getting £84,000. The whole thing is corrupt. Ever wondered which MP represents the borough and happens to be pally with Danny Hunter? A couple of clues - his first name is Oliver and his surname is Dowden Careful about bringing politics into discussion on government-related matters.
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Post by avfo on Oct 21, 2020 11:58:08 GMT
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Post by Blockhead on Oct 21, 2020 12:27:56 GMT
"This is something we're going to have to work through" is hardly an inspiring response from our chairman.
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Post by bluejay on Oct 21, 2020 12:28:59 GMT
More votes doing it this way. P*ss off 4 or 5 clubs in each division by overpaying the others. Corrupt.
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Post by g1 on Oct 21, 2020 12:39:35 GMT
If that is the case then barwick now has to go barwick who is a mark Maguire clone now has ruined the nl like he did the EFL and rfl a vote of no confidence is needed
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 21, 2020 12:42:06 GMT
Theres no point moaning about this, it is what it is, we just need to look after ourselves and prove to the governors of the game that fan ownership is the future.
Let's sell more streams than any other NLN club, lets sell more merch, etc etc...
We know the money we raise will go to the parts of the club that need it most, who cares what Boreham Wood get? We are Chester 💪
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Post by Matt on Oct 21, 2020 12:42:57 GMT
It really will be an achievement if we're still in business after all this if this funding isn't re-evaluated. I can see the non contract players now moving on now with not much money to move around with.
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Post by yossergolf on Oct 21, 2020 13:01:06 GMT
Some have complained about our Chairman’s response but he is 100% correct, we are going to have to deal with it, what else can he say. I for one have emailed the National League questioning how the funds have been distributed - will I get a reply, who knows.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 21, 2020 13:10:36 GMT
Depends on who decided how the money is split. Was it Dowden? Or was it the NL? Given previous decision history, my money is on the NL. It's in line with how they do things.
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Post by Churton Blue on Oct 21, 2020 13:40:26 GMT
Theres no point moaning about this, it is what it is, we just need to look after ourselves and prove to the governors of the game that fan ownership is the future. Let's sell more streams than any other NLN club, lets sell more merch, etc etc... We know the money we raise will go to the parts of the club that need it most, who cares what Boreham Wood get? We are Chester 💪 The National League have just taken about £100,00 pounds from us and redistributed that money to other clubs so I think we have every right to be unhappy ! The National League Board and CEO Mike Tattersall need to be held to account for how they have chosen to allocate this money. They need to prove that it has been allocated in a fair and equitable manner. The money was to compensate clubs for the loss of paying spectators. It appears that this is not the case so therefore it is hard to describe this as anything else but corruption. The National League Board can not be allowed to get away with it.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 21, 2020 13:50:10 GMT
Theres no point moaning about this, it is what it is, we just need to look after ourselves and prove to the governors of the game that fan ownership is the future. Let's sell more streams than any other NLN club, lets sell more merch, etc etc... We know the money we raise will go to the parts of the club that need it most, who cares what Boreham Wood get? We are Chester 💪 The National League have just taken about £100,00 pounds from us and redistributed that money to other clubs so I think we have every right to be unhappy ! The National League Board and CEO Mike Tattersall need to be held to account for how they have chosen to allocate this money. They need to prove that it has been allocated in a fair and equitable manner. The money was to compensate clubs for the loss of paying spectators. It appears that this is not the case so therefore it is hard to describe this as anything else but corruption. The National League Board can not be allowed to get away with it. I agree but I can guarantee you theres not much we can do about it. There never is. So let's do something that's under our own control and ensure we have a club to be proud of. I am not someone who expects anything for free, and neither should we rely on any external help, the way we run the club is helping us in these circumstances, all we need to do is ride this out and come out the other side without debt and sustainable, and I don't think we need lottery money to do that
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Post by cfc1885 on Oct 21, 2020 13:55:31 GMT
Oh wow
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 21, 2020 14:00:17 GMT
Careful now, WortleyBlue will come and tell you not to make it political just because you’re showing his posh boys up xx
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 14:04:59 GMT
This package gives us an £108,000 for the first three months of the season. with 7 league homes in that time that makes it £15,428 per match, with an average attendance of 2019 that's £7.64 per person that would be attending.
Factoring in monies made from streaming and non refunded season tickets it's hopefully not the end of the world providing we continue to cut our cloth accordingly and support all the fundraising incentives.
We will be right at the the top of the list of clubs who come out of this worst off, (many clubs will be making more money than usual) I think only Dulwich Hamlet and York will come of worse than us.
Another moment to add to the list of times we have been utterly shafted, who'd be a Chester Fan eh?
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Post by billyw on Oct 21, 2020 14:08:32 GMT
Careful now, WortleyBlue will come and tell you not to make it political just because you’re showing his posh boys up xx I often give you the benefit of the doubt, but bloody hell you don’t help yourself do you?
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 21, 2020 14:11:21 GMT
Careful now, WortleyBlue will come and tell you not to make it political just because you’re showing his posh boys up xx I often give you the benefit of the doubt, but bloody hell you don’t help yourself do you? He needs to be granted an extended break from this forum, for his and everyone else's sake...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 14:27:52 GMT
Careful now, WortleyBlue will come and tell you not to make it political just because you’re showing his posh boys up xx Don’t ruin your point Frank by putting condescending kisses at the end of it
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Post by dc2cfc on Oct 21, 2020 14:29:39 GMT
onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=CF550DA7DC4F6A38!4489&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!AGE3dhxpRJzLlDQ Someone has created the above spreadsheet showing how the national league have messed this up and how the 10m should actually be allocated. Chester missing out on £113,000 whilst Curzon Ashton have got £48,000 in their back pockets !
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 21, 2020 14:32:04 GMT
Sorry, was only a slight dig at a particular moderator who tells us not to make a thread about GOVERNMENT funding “political” because it makes his boys look bad.
The Boreham Wood/MP stuff is corrupt IMO. Definitely some incriminating photographs, Dowden holding up their shirt with his name on etc.
End of the day, we’ve been shafted big time by this corruption.
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Post by superman on Oct 21, 2020 14:42:35 GMT
Not happy at all with this. The National League owe it to all clubs and their supporters to be fully transparent on this issue. How was the split between National and Regional Clubs decided? How was the allocation made within each league? Who devised the distribution and who ratified it? Not expecting it to be changed but if there is some reasoning we need to at least be informed.Do I really expect transparency...and integrity.... I don’t think so. Football administration at all levels, similar to politics of all persuasion always has and always will be driven by self interest, the old boys club syndrome persists.
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Post by Royal Blue on Oct 21, 2020 14:55:20 GMT
I would contact our ex-chairman Mr Pilsbury and ask him about the Judicial Review process. The threat of that helped us get into a higher league when we reformed. We should not just lie down and take this. The club (and fans) should make as much noise as possible. Join up with other clubs like York that have been shafted. Fight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 15:29:59 GMT
In addition to my earlier post in this thread, here's another thought given the obvious anger on here (and, I suspect, many other sites)......
It wouldn't surprise me if the NL knew full well that there would be a backlash when the allocations came out. But, I wonder if they think that their ivory tower is impregnable and all they have to do is ride out the storm. A bit of "tomorrow's chip paper" approach, give it a couple of days and things will die down and all will carry on as normal. Assuming there is some element of truth in my musings, then it would reinforce the view of many that the NL and it's governance of the game is, at the least, not fit for purpose and, at worst, rotten to the core.
The big issue, I suppose, is what, if anything, can be done. I genuinely don't know and, another suspicion, is that the NL is banking on just that ie with all the other stuff going on in our lives this will not be top priority.... "a good day to bury bad news" Whatever happens, the clubs and supporters will not forget this when the inevitable day of reckoning comes, if it does.
Addendum: I can't really see the NL changing the allocations because to do so would be an admission they got it wrong and we all know that those in power will NEVER admit that!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 15:30:40 GMT
I have just e mailed national league to ask how the distribution of these grants was decided. I would hope you all do the same
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Post by silverblue on Oct 21, 2020 15:37:42 GMT
Any chance of approaching the National Lottery as the money came from them. The problem is that a lot of clubs and fans will be happy with this payout, talk about divide and conquer. We need some way to get publicity for this, otherwise they will just ignore us
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