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Post by dc2cfc on Oct 21, 2020 15:41:24 GMT
Everyone get emailing the National League about this: info@thenationalleague.org.uk
Lets put it on them, absolutely sick of them
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 21, 2020 15:46:44 GMT
Needs a coordinated effort from other similarly-affected clubs in this league and the South otherwise it’ll just look like sour grapes from Chester fans.
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Post by avfo on Oct 21, 2020 15:53:44 GMT
Statement from CFC -
Earlier today the National League informed its members of the financial support each club will receive from The National Lottery.
Chester FC has been advised we will receive £36,000 per month covering the period of October to December 2020.
As a club we welcome this vital grant aid and wish to place on record our appreciation to the National League, the Football Association, Government and, in particular, The National Lottery. We recognise there are other clubs within the football pyramid and indeed other sectors who have had restrictions imposed upon them without financial support.
However, our allocation is significantly lower than anticipated and will not cover the matchday revenue our club has lost from playing behind closed doors for three months.
We will therefore be seeking clarification about the formula the National League has used to determine the monthly allocations, which in the opinion of our club has resulted in unfair and unjustified distributions across the three divisions.
We also have concerns the allocations do not align with the stated objective of this financial support, which was to compensate clubs for essential revenue lost from fans not returning from 1 October.
Clubs were asked to submit a financial questionnaire on 28 September to estimate lost revenue, but at no point have we been consulted about the formula that would be used to distribute this financial aid and the lack of communication from the National League on this matter has been frustrating.
It is uncertain what will happen beyond December and whether crowds will be able to return or further support provided should matches continue behind closed doors, however the Board is committed to taking all necessary steps to safeguard the future of Chester FC and will be meeting urgently to consider any implications this has for our club in an already difficult and challenging environment.
Statement from Hereford FC
The Hereford FC Board have been advised this morning that Hereford FC are to receive £36,000 per month funding from the National League. We are one of five National North/South clubs to receive this amount. The others are Chester, Dulwich Hamlet, Maidstone and York.
Andrew Graham, Chairman, said “The board are urgently assessing the ramifications to the Club. Naturally £36,000 is a welcome grant in the current climate but it does not cover a Club as substantial as ours.
“A board meeting has been convened to discuss the implications of this. We are disappointed at the lack of engagement for member clubs in the determination of grant allocations.”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 15:58:36 GMT
Needs a coordinated effort from other similarly-affected clubs in this league and the South otherwise it’ll just look like sour grapes from Chester fans. Tend to agree which is why I'm leaning towards some sort of complaint/request for clarity at club level maybe backed up by a "signed petition" from the fans. For example, 1000 from us, 1500 from York etc Will it make any difference? I hate to say but I don't think so (as per my earlier post) but short of storming the NL HQ, I'm lost for ideas
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 16:00:20 GMT
Statement from CFC - Earlier today the National League informed its members of the financial support each club will receive from The National Lottery. Chester FC has been advised we will receive £36,000 per month covering the period of October to December 2020. As a club we welcome this vital grant aid and wish to place on record our appreciation to the National League, the Football Association, Government and, in particular, The National Lottery. We recognise there are other clubs within the football pyramid and indeed other sectors who have had restrictions imposed upon them without financial support. However, our allocation is significantly lower than anticipated and will not cover the matchday revenue our club has lost from playing behind closed doors for three months. We will therefore be seeking clarification about the formula the National League has used to determine the monthly allocations, which in the opinion of our club has resulted in unfair and unjustified distributions across the three divisions. We also have concerns the allocations do not align with the stated objective of this financial support, which was to compensate clubs for essential revenue lost from fans not returning from 1 October. Clubs were asked to submit a financial questionnaire on 28 September to estimate lost revenue, but at no point have we been consulted about the formula that would be used to distribute this financial aid and the lack of communication from the National League on this matter has been frustrating.It is uncertain what will happen beyond December and whether crowds will be able to return or further support provided should matches continue behind closed doors, however the Board is committed to taking all necessary steps to safeguard the future of Chester FC and will be meeting urgently to consider any implications this has for our club in an already difficult and challenging environment. Statement from Hereford FC The Hereford FC Board have been advised this morning that Hereford FC are to receive £36,000 per month funding from the National League. We are one of five National North/South clubs to receive this amount. The others are Chester, Dulwich Hamlet, Maidstone and York. Andrew Graham, Chairman, said “The board are urgently assessing the ramifications to the Club. Naturally £36,000 is a welcome grant in the current climate but it does not cover a Club as substantial as ours. “A board meeting has been convened to discuss the implications of this. We are disappointed at the lack of engagement for member clubs in the determination of grant allocations.” And there you have it in a nutshell
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 21, 2020 16:14:40 GMT
Needs a coordinated effort from other similarly-affected clubs in this league and the South otherwise it’ll just look like sour grapes from Chester fans. Tend to agree which is why I'm leaning towards some sort of complaint/request for clarity at club level maybe backed up by a "signed petition" from the fans. For example, 1000 from us, 1500 from York etc Will it make any difference? I hate to say but I don't think so (as per my earlier post) but short of storming the NL HQ, I'm lost for ideas Maybe someone should put the figures together and email Chris Matheson, our MP. A well thought out presentation of the figures should allow him to raise the issue with Oliver Dowden, or the NL. They might take more notice of him.
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Post by Churton Blue on Oct 21, 2020 16:34:03 GMT
Regular large donations to Mr Dowden from the South Hertfordshire Business Club which is based in Borehamwood. It is an unincorporated association. Would be really interesting to know its membership ? www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=25323
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Post by avfo on Oct 21, 2020 16:45:28 GMT
Tend to agree which is why I'm leaning towards some sort of complaint/request for clarity at club level maybe backed up by a "signed petition" from the fans. For example, 1000 from us, 1500 from York etc Will it make any difference? I hate to say but I don't think so (as per my earlier post) but short of storming the NL HQ, I'm lost for ideas Maybe someone should put the figures together and email Chris Matheson, our MP. A well thought out presentation of the figures should allow him to raise the issue with Oliver Dowden, or the NL. They might take more notice of him. Someone has, although because it's based on last seasons attendances they've inadvertently included Barrow and Harrogate - twitter.com/bobbinsoncrusoeIf they do get to speak to Mr Dowden perhaps they would like to remind him of a press release issued by his department 3 days ago, that included the following paragraph - 'Funding will be distributed to each of the 66 National League clubs to help cover their lost gate revenue from the delay to fans being permitted to return, that was originally scheduled for 1 October. The decision was taken to pause this relaxation of the rules on 22 September, in order to stem rising coronavirus infection rates across the country.'
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Post by Churton Blue on Oct 21, 2020 16:59:47 GMT
Maybe someone should put the figures together and email Chris Matheson, our MP. A well thought out presentation of the figures should allow him to raise the issue with Oliver Dowden, or the NL. They might take more notice of him. If they do get to speak to Mr Dowden perhaps they would like to remind him of a press release issued by his department 3 days ago, that included the following paragraph - 'Funding will be distributed to each of the 66 National League clubs to help cover their lost gate revenue from the delay to fans being permitted to return, that was originally scheduled for 1 October. The decision was taken to pause this relaxation of the rules on 22 September, in order to stem rising coronavirus infection rates across the country.' Oliver Dowden, The FA, National League and National Lottery all need to be asked why this has not happened. The allocations of funding are a flagrant misuse of the money as they are not based on their intended purpose.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 21, 2020 17:00:40 GMT
Misuse of taxpayer money, I might add! Very serious.
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Post by CH2 on Oct 21, 2020 18:36:33 GMT
Here's another link courtesy of Donnacha Harte (@pompeydunc) on twitter:
tiny.cc/subsidyNL
This spreadsheet shows an over-subsidised NLP to the tune of £500k (whereas our league shows as being underfunded by £566k) and there is a 'missing' £13k.
The worst hit in our league are York -£189k, Hereford -£116k and us -£113k.
What a crock of shit.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 21, 2020 18:37:30 GMT
Misuse of taxpayer money, I might add! Very serious. Is the lottery an official tax now?
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Post by paw2904 on Oct 21, 2020 18:42:55 GMT
Sent an email to the NL. Not hopeful of any movement, but be nice to flood their inbox.
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Post by silverblue on Oct 21, 2020 18:48:47 GMT
I have emailed national league, national lottery and our MP with the figures from robinsoncrusoe. We all need to do this, fans from all the clubs turned over. It might not do any good but we shouldn't take this lying down
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Post by Churton Blue on Oct 21, 2020 19:22:08 GMT
Here's another link courtesy of Donnacha Harte (@pompeydunc) on twitter:
tiny.cc/subsidyNL
This spreadsheet shows an over-subsidised NLP to the tune of £500k (whereas our league shows as being underfunded by £566k) and there is a 'missing' £13k.
The worst hit in our league are York -£189k, Hereford -£116k and us -£113k.
What a crock of shit.
Great bit of work by the tweeter. Basically the better supported clubs in the National League North have been shafted to provide more money for poorly supported clubs in the south who play in the National League. Borehamwood, Wealdstone, Weymouth and Dover between them have received 570k more than they should have done.
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Post by CH2 on Oct 21, 2020 19:32:09 GMT
If they do get to speak to Mr Dowden perhaps they would like to remind him of a press release issued by his department 3 days ago, that included the following paragraph - 'Funding will be distributed to each of the 66 National League clubs to help cover their lost gate revenue from the delay to fans being permitted to return, that was originally scheduled for 1 October. The decision was taken to pause this relaxation of the rules on 22 September, in order to stem rising coronavirus infection rates across the country.' Oliver Dowden, The FA, National League and National Lottery all need to be asked why this has not happened. The allocations of funding are a flagrant misuse of the money as they are not based on their intended purpose. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Boreham Wood, who's MP is The Rt Hon Oliver Dowden CBE MP, who is Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (which includes The National Lottery), have just been handed a wad of cash courtesy of The National Lottery.
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Post by rcb on Oct 21, 2020 19:51:26 GMT
Football’s equivalent of misappropriation of funds! This information needs to be aired on National television. There are many pundits on TV who are particularly skilled at shit stirring!
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 21, 2020 20:15:56 GMT
Maybe email
u2us@skysports.com
jim.white@talksport.com
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Post by silverblue on Oct 21, 2020 20:42:59 GMT
Maybe email u2us@skysports.com jim.white@talksport.com Can you confirm the talksport email as google rejected my message, unknown address
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Post by Churton Blue on Oct 21, 2020 22:12:52 GMT
Football’s equivalent of misappropriation of funds! This information needs to be aired on National television. There are many pundits on TV who are particularly skilled at shit stirring! The National League has proved over a period of time that it is incompetent. You can add to that undemocratic given the voting system with the power given unfairly to 23 clubs at the expense of the other 43. There is no salary cap and no form of Financial Fair Play to boot. They have proved they are morally corrupt as they have concocted a way to the allocate the funds from the National Lottery which only an extremely naive child would believe is based on attendances. They have mislead clubs before the season started and not consulted with them about the division of external funding. The owners of Maidstone FC think there needs to be some form of legal action to get them to act in a fair and equitable manner and it is hard not to agree with them.
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Post by utb on Oct 21, 2020 23:06:23 GMT
Really does show just how vital promotion would have been for us last season.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 22, 2020 6:58:53 GMT
Maybe email u2us@skysports.com jim.white@talksport.com Can you confirm the talksport email as google rejected my message, unknown address Sorry. My mistake. Try jim.white@talksport.co.uk
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 22, 2020 7:50:26 GMT
Chris Matheson should be helpful in this. He is currently Shadow Minister for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport.
I've just emailed him at chris.matheson.mp@parliament.uk and chris@chrismatheson.co.uk
Edit
I emailed at 08:44 and received a reply at 08:50!.
He said that he is on this and has discussed it with Alison McGovern, Shadow Minister for Sport and his colleague for Chesterfield has raised this too.
He said he'll respond shortly in substance.
That's Democracy in practise.
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Post by rcb on Oct 22, 2020 8:19:32 GMT
We’re in a shit league, so why would anything that happens not smell of shit?
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Post by Lobster on Oct 22, 2020 8:32:44 GMT
Chris Matheson should be helpful in this. He is currently Shadow Minister for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. I've just emailed him at chris.matheson.mp@parliament.uk and chris@chrismatheson.co.uk Edit I emailed at 08:44 and received a reply at 08:50!. He said that he is on this and has discussed it with Alison McGovern, Shadow Minister for Sport and his colleague for Chesterfield has raised this too. He said he'll respond shortly in substance. That's Democracy in practise. She is Wirral South MP incidentally, so is worth contacting for any fans we have living there.
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Post by oldboneze on Oct 22, 2020 8:49:58 GMT
Chris Matheson should be helpful in this. He is currently Shadow Minister for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. I've just emailed him at chris.matheson.mp@parliament.uk and chris@chrismatheson.co.uk Edit I emailed at 08:44 and received a reply at 08:50!. He said that he is on this and has discussed it with Alison McGovern, Shadow Minister for Sport and his colleague for Chesterfield has raised this too. He said he'll respond shortly in substance. That's Democracy in practise. She is Wirral South MP incidentally, so is worth contacting for any fans we have living there. I've emailed Justin Madders, MP for Ellesmere Port and Neston.
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Post by devadevil on Oct 22, 2020 9:13:19 GMT
Chris Matheson should be helpful in this. He is currently Shadow Minister for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. I've just emailed him at chris.matheson.mp@parliament.uk and chris@chrismatheson.co.uk Edit I emailed at 08:44 and received a reply at 08:50!. He said that he is on this and has discussed it with Alison McGovern, Shadow Minister for Sport and his colleague for Chesterfield has raised this too. He said he'll respond shortly in substance. That's Democracy in practise. She is Wirral South MP incidentally, so is worth contacting for any fans we have living there. Yep, she's my MP, I'll be getting in contact with her.
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Post by paw2904 on Oct 22, 2020 10:06:42 GMT
Sent an email to Chris Matheson. Received the standard automated response. Simply wanted to add to the voices of complaint regarding this distribution of funds. the more emails he receives the better. Not confident of the outcome because any change to the allocation will inevitably mean that the Boreham Woods of the world will see their funding cut. That will result in an outcry. That is the reason that there was apparently no discussion between the NL executive and the Clubs. The NL wanted to announce first to stifle reasoned debate.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 22, 2020 10:10:48 GMT
Sent an email to Chris Matheson. Received the standard automated response. Simply wanted to add to the voices of complaint regarding this distribution of funds. the more emails he receives the better. Not confident of the outcome because any change to the allocation will inevitably mean that the Boreham Woods of the world will see their funding cut. That will result in an outcry. That is the reason that there was apparently no discussion between the NL executive and the Clubs. The NL wanted to announce first to stifle reasoned debate. Send your mail to his mp@parliament address in my post , rather than the chris@ address. Got a personal response from that one.
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Post by glosblue on Oct 22, 2020 10:24:44 GMT
email sent today to 'sam.wallace@telegraph.co.uk' (senior football reporter): You have reported extensively and critically recently about the approaches proposed to funding and management of the national game by clubs at the top of the pyramid. Here’s something for your interest about a similar situation further down the pyramid, at the Conference, Conference North and South level. The government recently awarded a grant of £10m to replace the revenue lost due to lost gate receipts for clubs in these 3 divisions for a 3 month period. Clubs accordingly provided details of their losses to the National League. However, instead of distributing funding based on those figures, the National League has instead simply applied a figure based on which league a club is in. There is a caveat to this, in that the better supported clubs in a particular league get a little more, but the differential between payments based on league status alone remains very considerable, thus for example: Chester FC (average documented home attendance 2,019) get a cheque for £36,000 pcm, as do York City (even higher attendances), because they are in the Conference North. Boreham Wood FC (average documented home attendance 724) receive £84,000 pcm, because they are in the Conference. On this basis, a club like Boreham Wood will actually profit from the payout, because it will be greater than the revenue lost: 700 x £15 (say) x 2 home games a month = c. £21,000 lost gate receipts cf £84,000 income. Clubs like York or Chester will substantially lose – the payout will not cover actual losses eg: 2,000 x £15 x 2 = £60,000 lost cf £36,000 income. Over the 3 month period in question, therefore, a club like York City will lose out on c.£70,000 of actual income lost; precisely the outcome the government funding was intended to prevent, and likely to lead to redundancies at such clubs that should be avoided. This might be considered as mere incompetence or laziness on the part of the National League. Obviously entirely coincidentally, the chairman of Boreham Wood, Mr Danny Hunter, met with Mr Oliver Dowden, the Secretary of State for DCMS recently to discuss how the money should be distributed: www.borehamwoodfootballclub.co.uk/uncategorized/wood-chairman-and-secretary-of-state-for-dcms-discuss-a-non-league-future/As the website article indicates, Mr Hunter states he is personally acquainted with the SofS, and was ‘delighted’ with the outcome of their discussions. As a mere Telegraph subscriber, far be it from me to suggest an angle for a story to an award-winning journalist such as yourself.
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