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Post by saltneykebabden on Oct 29, 2020 10:17:40 GMT
Sorry mate, this is the biggest load of shite I’ve read on here in a while. Your comparing Caroline flack topping herself to a football forum with people giving opinions.. I agree that you don’t know what people are going through, but if people are that offended by conflicting opinions on here, they shouldn’t be on here or even leave the house everyday. If your offended, either don’t come on here or get some pubes I don't think anyone is offended by conflicting opinions, and Caroline Flack is an extreme example, but telling people they're talking a "load of shite" and to "get some pubes" isn't conflicting opinion, it's insults.
I doubt anyone is going to top themselves over what they read on this forum, but I'm sure it could get them down and mean they stop posting, and brings the tone of the discussion down.
Obviously people are offended by conflicting opinions, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place. I’m sorry mate, but Caroline flack was due to the mass negative attention she received in the public eye, doubt the couple of hundred people on here are going to be affected by their comments on the forum walking down the street. Massive massive over exaggerating and nothing to do with this football forum. Also, I didn’t tell anyone to get any pubes directly, I said it as what I consider a light hearted way of telling people to grow up a little bit and that what is said on here shouldn’t really effect anyone’s lives in any way. If it does, they should not be on here and have bigger problems than any of us can deal with.. I don’t think that was bringing down the tone by making light of it, but there we go
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Oct 29, 2020 10:34:02 GMT
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Post by Si on Oct 29, 2020 10:34:02 GMT
Hahaha it really makes me laugh tbh, when this forum started it was supposed to be an open forum for fans from any club with any opinion. Well that soon stopped as we went into lock down well before Covid 😂 and it became members only, recently the next stage kicked in with threats of bans for anyone bullying. How do you bully someone on a football forum ? if you are that precious then don't post, for me it is going the same was as the old forum and I might as well stayed on that 😂😂😂😂 It is welcome for any fans, all they have to do is register. If you remember then we trialed no members for a few weeks at the start of the forum and it opened the floodgates for Goat and Tranmere trolls. This forum must have one of the relaxed set of moderating styles around, but it doesn't mean that there shouldn't be any guidelines at all. The ban option is only used when absolutely necessary as I didn't ever want to be banning Chester fans. Apart from the odd temporary ban I would estimate I could count the amount of permanent bans of Chester fans on one hand.
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Post by agl on Oct 29, 2020 10:42:33 GMT
Think you've made your point...about ten times. Maybe move on now? If only the troll sympathisers asked them the same question. Why don't you just spell out who you think these troll sympathisers are, rather than doing it insidiously. I don't know the guy but I take it on face value that the supposed troll you've outed on here is a fan of 60 years and a season ticket holder. You've even troubled to trawl back through his previous posts to support your case. To me that's either a bit odd, or you have too much time on your hands. Can I suggest a hobby? In any case, as he says, if you go back a little further you will find you are wrong. Being charitable, your crusade to wipe out perceived negativity is well-intentioned but misguided. Some might conclude it has crossed a line (maybe the mods can decide). What about those who parrot 'you hate your club' at anyone who dares to be critical? Personally I think they are a waste of space, but I defend their right to have a view. I don't think there's any need to try to impose your way of supporting the club (or the managers, as we do seem to attract a few groupies with no previous Chester FC affiliations) on others who have a different approach. I don't think trying to drive fans who plough money into our club off the forum is the way forward. And I don't feel the need to post bland 'good three points' after every win just to satisfy you.
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Oct 29, 2020 10:54:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 10:54:48 GMT
If only the troll sympathisers asked them the same question. Why don't you just spell out who you think these troll sympathisers are, rather than doing it insidiously. I don't know the guy but I take it on face value that the supposed troll you've outed on here is a fan of 60 years and a season ticket holder. You've even troubled to trawl back through his previous posts to support your case. To me that's either a bit odd, or you have too much time on your hands. Can I suggest a hobby? In any case, as he says, if you go back a little further you will find you are wrong. Being charitable, your crusade to wipe out perceived negativity is well-intentioned but misguided. Some might conclude it has crossed a line (maybe the mods can decide). What about those who parrot 'you hate your club' at anyone who dares to be critical? Personally I think they are a waste of space, but I defend their right to have a view. I don't think there's any need to try to impose your way of supporting the club (or the managers, as we do seem to attract a few groupies with no previous Chester FC affiliations) on others who have a different approach. I don't think trying to drive fans who plough money into our club off the forum is the way forward. And I don't feel the need to post bland 'good three points' after every win just to satisfy you.
For someone who seems to have a modicum of intelligence you continually miss the point. Let’s use you as an example as we’re the ones debating. You can post negative stuff occasionally, or at least negative in my view but you always provide context behind your views. You also add balance to the board and give credence as a member due to also posting after wins. You’ve aired views on the managers and the style and the players but in my opinion always done with balance and context. And you’re right of course that if you go back at least a year the poster I refer to has posted after wins, so I could be accused of being selective to which I apologise as i wasn’t meant to do so. However, he and others do still only post after losses and very, very rarely after wins, that might not bother you, that’s ok but it bothers me because it stink of an agenda, an agenda that with a few followers on board can do damage. The reason I trawled back through his history of posts was just to back up a hunch, I would guess there are others on here who are as equally negative but he seemed to pop up on every thread when we went behind or lost. For me, if you don’t give context and balance to a particular debate then you’ll be seen for what you are!
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Post by agl on Oct 29, 2020 11:33:04 GMT
Why don't you just spell out who you think these troll sympathisers are, rather than doing it insidiously. I don't know the guy but I take it on face value that the supposed troll you've outed on here is a fan of 60 years and a season ticket holder. You've even troubled to trawl back through his previous posts to support your case. To me that's either a bit odd, or you have too much time on your hands. Can I suggest a hobby? In any case, as he says, if you go back a little further you will find you are wrong. Being charitable, your crusade to wipe out perceived negativity is well-intentioned but misguided. Some might conclude it has crossed a line (maybe the mods can decide). What about those who parrot 'you hate your club' at anyone who dares to be critical? Personally I think they are a waste of space, but I defend their right to have a view. I don't think there's any need to try to impose your way of supporting the club (or the managers, as we do seem to attract a few groupies with no previous Chester FC affiliations) on others who have a different approach. I don't think trying to drive fans who plough money into our club off the forum is the way forward. And I don't feel the need to post bland 'good three points' after every win just to satisfy you.
For someone who seems to have a modicum of intelligence you continually miss the point. Let’s use you as an example as we’re the ones debating. You can post negative stuff occasionally, or at least negative in my view but you always provide context behind your views. You also add balance to the board and give credence as a member due to also posting after wins. You’ve aired views on the managers and the style and the players but in my opinion always done with balance and context. And you’re right of course that if you go back at least a year the poster I refer to has posted after wins, so I could be accused of being selective to which I apologise as i wasn’t meant to do so. However, he and others do still only post after losses and very, very rarely after wins, that might not bother you, that’s ok but it bothers me because it stink of an agenda, an agenda that with a few followers on board can do damage. The reason I trawled back through his history of posts was just to back up a hunch, I would guess there are others on here who are as equally negative but he seemed to pop up on every thread when we went behind or lost. For me, if you don’t give context and balance to a particular debate then you’ll be seen for what you are! Thanks for crediting me with some intelligence. I will leave it to others to decide if I've missed the point. But my point stands....it's not helpful to label fellow supporters trolls.
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Oct 29, 2020 11:41:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 11:41:33 GMT
For someone who seems to have a modicum of intelligence you continually miss the point. Let’s use you as an example as we’re the ones debating. You can post negative stuff occasionally, or at least negative in my view but you always provide context behind your views. You also add balance to the board and give credence as a member due to also posting after wins. You’ve aired views on the managers and the style and the players but in my opinion always done with balance and context. And you’re right of course that if you go back at least a year the poster I refer to has posted after wins, so I could be accused of being selective to which I apologise as i wasn’t meant to do so. However, he and others do still only post after losses and very, very rarely after wins, that might not bother you, that’s ok but it bothers me because it stink of an agenda, an agenda that with a few followers on board can do damage. The reason I trawled back through his history of posts was just to back up a hunch, I would guess there are others on here who are as equally negative but he seemed to pop up on every thread when we went behind or lost. For me, if you don’t give context and balance to a particular debate then you’ll be seen for what you are! Thanks for crediting me with some intelligence. I will leave it to others to decide if I've missed the point. But my point stands....it's not helpful to label fellow supporters trolls. “In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain” I will leave it to others to decide what they think a troll is
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 29, 2020 11:43:52 GMT
By the same token, the select few who seemingly love to jump on anybody who posts anything mildly critical and brandish them as not a fan or someone who simply must have a personal agenda against a manager/player etc could be considered trolls.
I’ve even seen calls to ban anybody who has a perceived “negative” opinion!
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 29, 2020 12:06:08 GMT
Isn't all this 'Negative Agenda' poster thing exactly the opposite of the 'Happyclapper' insults going on when JMc was here?
At that time anyone posting anything positive was insulted and bullied by a few posters. Now it's just the other way round.
I actually believe that the majority of posters who only post after a poor defeat do so out of frustration. No malice or agenda meant. It just a cleansing of the system thing. Don't understand why some people don't see that.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 29, 2020 12:37:59 GMT
Isn't all this 'Negative Agenda' poster thing exactly the opposite of the 'Happyclapper' insults going on when JMc was here? At that time anyone posting anything positive was insulted and bullied by a few posters. Now it's just the other way round. I actually believe that the majority of posters who only post after a poor defeat do so out of frustration. No malice or agenda meant. It just a cleansing of the system thing. Don't understand why some people don't see that. Its tedious to see the same poster write the same things after every loss, I dont understand why people don't see that! What does it achieve? Other than absolutely nothing beneficial to the club, the fanbase, the forum and more importantly their own mental health. Its a complete waste of energy. Like I said, if people absolutely must take their frustration out, go and do it elsewhere because people have had enough
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Post by agl on Oct 29, 2020 13:59:15 GMT
Thanks for crediting me with some intelligence. I will leave it to others to decide if I've missed the point. But my point stands....it's not helpful to label fellow supporters trolls. “In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain” I will leave it to others to decide what they think a troll is Yes, that's the definition. But you've applied it to someone who obviously isn't a troll! He might in your eyes have an agenda, in the same way you think we have "great managers", but I don't see why it's upset you so much. I think Harry Lime's post is spot on. In the heat of the moment some of us react, which is why match threads have to be treated with a degree of caution. I told my mates were were "utter shite" (sensationalism alert, Oak Blue) after the Marine game and yet there I was on Tuesday forking out another nine quid to watch the same team, same managers. I posted a few comments, but I could easily have just gone to bed thinking, thank f for that. It's the nature of the game...some fans are more fickle and if you've been watching us for 60 plus years, like your favorite troll, maybe you have a different view. Genuine question, are you a Chester fan? I only ask because it's much easier to take a detached view if you are a neutral, or Chester is your second team, or you've followed the managers from Ramsbottom. I don't think you should mistake trolling for caring.
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Oct 29, 2020 14:11:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 14:11:47 GMT
“In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain” I will leave it to others to decide what they think a troll is Yes, that's the definition. But you've applied it to someone who obviously isn't a troll! He might in your eyes have an agenda, in the same way you think we have "great managers", but I don't see why it's upset you so much. I think Harry Lime's post is spot on. In the heat of the moment some of us react, which is why match threads have to be treated with a degree of caution. I told my mates were were "utter shite" (sensationalism alert, Oak Blue) after the Marine game and yet there I was on Tuesday forking out another nine quid to watch the same team, same managers. I posted a few comments, but I could easily have just gone to bed thinking, thank f for that. It's the nature of the game...some fans are more fickle and if you've been watching us for 60 plus years, like your favorite troll, maybe you have a different view. Genuine question, are you a Chester fan? I only ask because it's much easier to take a detached view if you are a neutral, or Chester is your second team, or you've followed the managers from Ramsbottom. I don't think you should mistake trolling for caring.
It’s interesting that you take the word of said posters posts ie being a supporter for 60+ years whom you say you don’t know but question me if I’m a Chester fan, because what, I think people who only post after defeats are trolls? Unfortunately, said poster trumps my supporting days of the Blues by about 30 odd years, maybe if I was of the older generation like you and said poster and a few of the other posters on here that have 60+ years of experience my more balanced views might be accepted by the naysayers. “I don't think you should mistake trolling for caring” - This part is gold. Someone who only posts after losses isn’t a troll, he just cares, LOL!
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Post by luke90 on Oct 29, 2020 14:30:40 GMT
I'll be working with Si on a up and downvote system over the next week or so (work depending) - If anyone has any sensible suggestions that i don't have to trawl through 6 pages of rubbish, drop us a PM. Cheers.
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Post by agl on Oct 29, 2020 14:59:21 GMT
Yes, that's the definition. But you've applied it to someone who obviously isn't a troll! He might in your eyes have an agenda, in the same way you think we have "great managers", but I don't see why it's upset you so much. I think Harry Lime's post is spot on. In the heat of the moment some of us react, which is why match threads have to be treated with a degree of caution. I told my mates were were "utter shite" (sensationalism alert, Oak Blue) after the Marine game and yet there I was on Tuesday forking out another nine quid to watch the same team, same managers. I posted a few comments, but I could easily have just gone to bed thinking, thank f for that. It's the nature of the game...some fans are more fickle and if you've been watching us for 60 plus years, like your favorite troll, maybe you have a different view. Genuine question, are you a Chester fan? I only ask because it's much easier to take a detached view if you are a neutral, or Chester is your second team, or you've followed the managers from Ramsbottom. I don't think you should mistake trolling for caring.
It’s interesting that you take the word of said posters posts ie being a supporter for 60+ years whom you say you don’t know but question me if I’m a Chester fan, because what, I think people who only post after defeats are trolls? Unfortunately, said poster trumps my supporting days of the Blues by about 30 odd years, maybe if I was of the older generation like you and said poster and a few of the other posters on here that have 60+ years of experience my more balanced views might be accepted by the naysayers. “I don't think you should mistake trolling for caring” - This part is gold. Someone who only posts after losses isn’t a troll, he just cares, LOL! !I give up. For the sake of board harmony I will take my own advice and just ignore you. Suggest you either do the same or block me. Let's hope we can find some common ground and celebrate at the end of the season. BTW, I don't claim to have 60 years supporting Chester. You've got the wrong end of the stick there, again.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Oct 29, 2020 16:00:08 GMT
I'll be working with Si on a up and downvote system over the next week or so (work depending) - If anyone has any sensible suggestions that i don't have to trawl through 6 pages of rubbish, drop us a PM. Cheers. Thanks Luke, work by a few for the benefit of many is always to be commended.
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Post by billyw on Oct 29, 2020 16:40:46 GMT
If only the troll sympathisers asked them the same question. Why don't you just spell out who you think these troll sympathisers are, rather than doing it insidiously. I don't know the guy but I take it on face value that the supposed troll you've outed on here is a fan of 60 years and a season ticket holder. You've even troubled to trawl back through his previous posts to support your case. To me that's either a bit odd, or you have too much time on your hands. Can I suggest a hobby? In any case, as he says, if you go back a little further you will find you are wrong. Being charitable, your crusade to wipe out perceived negativity is well-intentioned but misguided. Some might conclude it has crossed a line (maybe the mods can decide). What about those who parrot 'you hate your club' at anyone who dares to be critical? Personally I think they are a waste of space, but I defend their right to have a view. I don't think there's any need to try to impose your way of supporting the club (or the managers, as we do seem to attract a few groupies with no previous Chester FC affiliations) on others who have a different approach. I don't think trying to drive fans who plough money into our club off the forum is the way forward. And I don't feel the need to post bland 'good three points' after every win just to satisfy you.
Thanks agl, I am assuming you are responding to Brifelshaw as I have blocked him and can’t see his posts. Strange that he has only recently started posting on here - I wonder who he is - we can speculate on that 😉. Anyone doubting my loyalty to this club is unhinged and to allay his suspicions, I am quite happy to produce the programmes I have accumulated over the past 60 plus years.
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Post by Designer on Oct 30, 2020 11:37:41 GMT
Deva Chat is getting in a pickle when I read that it needs new click buttons (?) to protect the sensibilities of some of the delicate flowers who post on here, despite the knowledge that they could end up being offended or being exposed to excessive negativity. If they really want to be offended, be on the end of a Tweet posted by one Donald J Trump at 0300 hrs, apparently whilst munching a Double Mac and fries. The point I am making is that we need to keep things in perspective and rejoice that in this country we can all post messages on this type of forum that are generally not being monitored by the state.
I make no judgement, but it is a fact that some individuals on Deva Chat find it difficult to construct an alternative nuanced view to another person’s post without seeming to offend or be excessively negative. It seems to me that some of the so-called offenders are sometimes only capable of short posts that offer no detailed factual views, so they are bound to ruffle a few feathers. If you are on the end of one of these posts the trick is A) not be offended and B) imagine you are writing to your great Aunt and explain in more than one sentence why you disagree and avoid calling her a t*at.
This highlights the issue of immediacy of the internet and that far off land when people wrote letters and were forced to review and take time because they were writing to someone whom they knew. The shining example of a balanced viewpoint on this Forum is of course Rio, a young man who can string a more than a few sentences together and should he wish, eventually make it into Sports Journalism. The Mods on here know full well what type of posts should be censored – racist, homophobic and threats of violence against the person. It would be a retrograde action to allow a slow march of more censorship, that removes the right to offend and criticise everything in sight.
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Post by Forever Blue on Nov 2, 2020 1:37:54 GMT
I am sorry if people misunderstood my post and I meant the way I understood things when the forum started was it was an open forum for all fans from any club to express any opinions they had. As far as I am concerned we all knew what we were signing up for but that soon changed and the forum became members only, now free speech is beginning to be moderated and bans enforced, so what makes it any different from the old deva chat ?
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Post by Si on Nov 2, 2020 9:23:45 GMT
I am sorry if people misunderstood my post and I meant the way I understood things when the forum started was it was an open forum for all fans from any club to express any opinions they had. As far as I am concerned we all knew what we were signing up for but that soon changed and the forum became members only, now free speech is beginning to be moderated and bans enforced, so what makes it any different from the old deva chat ? With all the will in the world for free speech to reign, unfortunately in recent times there's been a need for extra moderation. Without it this board will fizzle out as the arguments between people have been taking over threads, which unfortunately is starting to deter people from posting on here. Free speech is not being moderated as long as it's constructive and on topic - would you suggest I just leave everyone to it and let the squabbles dominate the board? Bans are only being issued for people that consistently derail threads and are abusive. I'd be surprised if you found any unmoderated forums these days at all, let alone ones then have a relaxed style of moderation like here.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 2, 2020 15:45:35 GMT
I am sorry if people misunderstood my post and I meant the way I understood things when the forum started was it was an open forum for all fans from any club to express any opinions they had. As far as I am concerned we all knew what we were signing up for but that soon changed and the forum became members only, now free speech is beginning to be moderated and bans enforced, so what makes it any different from the old deva chat ? With Free Speech comes responsibility. People conveniently sometimes miss that part. People fought for free speech. Quite rightly. Use it wisely. For us to have a good forum with differing views, it is important to be able to respect or appreciate the other view. Insulting someone for having a different viewpoint isn't free speech. It's an insult.
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